sekio
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hehe mescaline laced heroin. what a crazy mix.
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my3rdeye
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LOL at the country that produces most of the world's K trying to track down the source of mescaline.
RobotRipping
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mescaline is the gold standard by which all psychs have been compared to in research. I'm sure those cops are some of the brightest on the planet, don't know how that passed them by. Was it pure mescaline though? or just cactus powder? and why the fuck would you mix heroin with mescaline? mescaline is a pretty long trip and is probably best consumed orally. I'm sure shooting it would cause some sort of pain, and given mescaline's potency, it doesn't make much sense.
Canada - Desmethyl fentanyl and bromadol bust
Extremely potent painkiller hits Montreal black market
CBC
May 13th, 2013
Read the full story here.
The CBC managed to mix up desmethyl fentanyl and fentanyl (but subsequently fixed their mistake).
Extremely potent painkiller hits Montreal black market
CBC
May 13th, 2013
Read the full story here.
The CBC managed to mix up desmethyl fentanyl and fentanyl (but subsequently fixed their mistake).
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NeighborhoodThreat
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As well as considering "crystal meth", "methamphetamines" and "speed" three different drugs.
a poorly composed article
23536
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Bromadol? Really? Is that the new thing now?
They fixed up the article a bit.
This seems like it was a pretty sophisticated chemistry operation. I don't think the title of "amateur chemists" is fair: they seemed to know what they were doing and they were definitely making money off of it.
This seems like it was a pretty sophisticated chemistry operation. I don't think the title of "amateur chemists" is fair: they seemed to know what they were doing and they were definitely making money off of it.
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BananasAndOranges
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There's some really stuuupid research chemicals going around. That's for fucking sure.
FractalStructure
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Lets all ban tramadol too. In the US you can ask your pharmacist for it in some states, I think NY just changed that. Also at least Canada doesn't have crazy UK-style state bans on chemicals that haven't been invented (or just intoxication in some states, and others banned every main drug class possible). I'm in the tristate area and even with every cannabinoid and substituted cath banned, I consider myself lucky. Some states ban 4ho-xxx and that's just fucking wrong. And all because of 25i
23536
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so, what is "desmethyl fentanyl"?
This is fentanyl:
Does "desmethyl" mean that the propanamide becomes ethanamide? What's their source for the "more potent" claim?
Here's a drawing:
This is fentanyl:
Does "desmethyl" mean that the propanamide becomes ethanamide? What's their source for the "more potent" claim?
Here's a drawing:
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Was waiting for Bromadol to come about, its interesting that they started making them into presses. Must be to latch on to the pharmacutical game I guess. If it looks like it may be a pharma pill than it gives a false sense of security.
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RobotRipping
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bromadol has been about for quite a while, you just have to know the right people (no i'm not telling you who those people are). There are some other ultra potent opioids around as well on the RC market but they aren't widespread thankfully. What's canada going to do tho? there is no analogue act here. The law against opiates only covers derivatives of opium and all of those are in schedule 1 while pharm opiates aren't IIRC.
so it was produced domestically and in clandestine labs? that's extremely strange IMO. I thought we left up the synthing to our good Chinese friends. What a fucking risk they took but AFAIK, they will only get in shit for the crystal meth, oxycodone, and other illegals as we have NO analogue act here. Canada is an RC haven if you can produce it here, as Health Canada likes to seize things for fun. They shouldn't have been making illegal drugs or pressing these potent opioids into tablets, for harm reduction sake, it's good they got caught doing such risky shit that could kill people.
it seems like they weren't synthing RCs anyway so they are going to get into a ton of shit but either way, there's no quality control on these groups, they aren't like RC vendors who lab test every batch in from China. Canada has no problem with those vendors and knows fully well how they operate and where they operate and what they sell, Health Canada even tests it for them most of the time!
This sounds like some gang shit, especially coming out of Montreal.
so it was produced domestically and in clandestine labs? that's extremely strange IMO. I thought we left up the synthing to our good Chinese friends. What a fucking risk they took but AFAIK, they will only get in shit for the crystal meth, oxycodone, and other illegals as we have NO analogue act here. Canada is an RC haven if you can produce it here, as Health Canada likes to seize things for fun. They shouldn't have been making illegal drugs or pressing these potent opioids into tablets, for harm reduction sake, it's good they got caught doing such risky shit that could kill people.
it seems like they weren't synthing RCs anyway so they are going to get into a ton of shit but either way, there's no quality control on these groups, they aren't like RC vendors who lab test every batch in from China. Canada has no problem with those vendors and knows fully well how they operate and where they operate and what they sell, Health Canada even tests it for them most of the time!
This sounds like some gang shit, especially coming out of Montreal.
my3rdeye
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Yeah thats organized crime for sure, they probably ship most of it to usa. They will make a buck any way they can. The funny thing Montreal is a coke town, the speed they make isnt going to montreal streets, the coke barons have a monopoly and they dont want to lose market share to meth.
These fake opiate pills don't surprise me, the same people are pumping out the fake XTC tablets too. Powder comes in as grey market substance from china, they press it into pills, you could be taking anything.
These fake opiate pills don't surprise me, the same people are pumping out the fake XTC tablets too. Powder comes in as grey market substance from china, they press it into pills, you could be taking anything.
so, what is "desmethyl fentanyl"?
This is fentanyl:
Does "desmethyl" mean that the propanamide becomes ethanamide? What's their source for the "more potent" claim?
Here's a drawing:
That's the only methyl that could be eliminated, so I'm assuming that's the structure. I can't find the term "desmethyl fentanyl" used before this article, though; it seems to be more commonly known as acetylfentanyl. A search on SciFinder shows multiple commercial sources, so it's possible these guys were just ordering it instead of making it themselves. I found a dosage study that indicates that acetylfentanyl is 16 times as potent as morphine, or 3.4 times as potent as heroin, or approximately 1/3 as potent as fentanyl.
Here's the link, I'm not sure if you need special access or not.
"Fentanyls, their salts, derivatives, and analogues and salts of derivatives and analogues" are Schedule I, so desmethyl fentanyl would definitely be schedule I. Bromadol, on the other hand, is distinct enough not to be scheduled.
In most of eastern Canada I'd say meth is actually more common than coke, but it's all in pills.
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Lady Codone
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How does one even use these opiates without dying? They seem like more of a chemical weapon than a recreational drug.
Unbreakable
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http://intellihub.com/2013/05/15/ca...c-drug-that-is-40-times-stronger-than-heroin/
" Therefore the Iron law says that the more you try to enforce prohibition (bigger budgets, larger penalties, etc.) the more potent and dangerous prohibited drugs become.
The law is based on the research of Mark Thornton, an economist associated with the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He first showed that the potency of marijuana increased in response to higher enforcement budgets. He later expanded this research in his dissertation to include other illegal drugs and alcohol during Prohibition in the United States (1920-1933).The basic approach is based on the Alchian and Allen Theorem.
They argue that if you add any fixed cost (e.g. transportation fee) to the price of two varieties of the same product (e.g. high quality red apple and a low quality red apple) the more expensive variety will get exported more often. When applied to rum-running, drug smuggling, and blockade running the more potent products become the sole focus of the suppliers. "
" Therefore the Iron law says that the more you try to enforce prohibition (bigger budgets, larger penalties, etc.) the more potent and dangerous prohibited drugs become.
The law is based on the research of Mark Thornton, an economist associated with the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He first showed that the potency of marijuana increased in response to higher enforcement budgets. He later expanded this research in his dissertation to include other illegal drugs and alcohol during Prohibition in the United States (1920-1933).The basic approach is based on the Alchian and Allen Theorem.
They argue that if you add any fixed cost (e.g. transportation fee) to the price of two varieties of the same product (e.g. high quality red apple and a low quality red apple) the more expensive variety will get exported more often. When applied to rum-running, drug smuggling, and blockade running the more potent products become the sole focus of the suppliers. "
RobotRipping
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yeah i was referring to bromadol. i believe someone posted that it was just fentanyl and it was a mistake in the article. Still i find it weird they'd have bromadol, that is the first instance of it being found by police in Canada AFAIK. After looking it seems like they threw all opioids into schedule 1 that they could lol even pharmaceutical ones. I guess the scheduling system here is much different than the US.
haven't been to montreal in a long time but those meth tablets head to the east coast for sure. Why they press them in tablets i'll never know. I'd be more willing to buy powder over those pressed pills any day.
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poledriver
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40 times stronger than heroin: Watch out for this new drug
Please be advised that there’s a new illegally-produced synthetic drug floating around out there that can cause serious harm if you come into contact with it. The drug is called Desmethyl Fentanyl — a chemically-modified derivative of the powerful prescription painkiller Fentanyl — and is reportedly “40 times more potent than heroin and 80 times stronger than morphine.”
During an April raid that resulted in the seizure of bath salts, ecstasy, meth, speed, steroids, and other illicit drugs, four Montreal cops were made ill by apparently handling some amount of the seized Desmethyl Fentanyl.
“The seized Desmethyl Fentanyl was toxic enough to affect four police officers who were handling the drugs for analysis,” said a report by CBC News.
Inspector Marc Riopel of the Service de police de la Ville de Montréal (SPVM) said that “even though they were wearing masks and gloves, still by being in contact with the product, they suffered from mild injuries. One of them had to hospitalized because of a heart condition.”
Coming to America
Montreal police — the SPVM — said further they found sophisticated equipment used to produce industrial quantities of drugs. Apparently, one machine seized “was capable of producing at least one pill per second.”
SPVM released an image which shows the seized drugs bearing the typical copycat “branding” imprints — such as the Facebook logo, evident in the picture above and right — in an effort to market the drug to our kids.
If it’s not already in your own community (which probably is) you can be sure that this drug has almost certainly been successfully shipped to the United States.
According to the Montreal Gazette, two men attempted to ship 10,000 pills of Desmethyl Fentanyl — hidden inside a microwave oven and a toaster — to an address in Colorado.
The Montreal Gazette said further that during the last few months, the men had been regular customers of the UPS store where they were busted on April 25, and “always shipped the same items to various addresses in the United States.”
Stay safe out there my friends.
http://www.policeone.com/drug-inter...nger-than-heroin-Watch-out-for-this-new-drug/
Please be advised that there’s a new illegally-produced synthetic drug floating around out there that can cause serious harm if you come into contact with it. The drug is called Desmethyl Fentanyl — a chemically-modified derivative of the powerful prescription painkiller Fentanyl — and is reportedly “40 times more potent than heroin and 80 times stronger than morphine.”
During an April raid that resulted in the seizure of bath salts, ecstasy, meth, speed, steroids, and other illicit drugs, four Montreal cops were made ill by apparently handling some amount of the seized Desmethyl Fentanyl.
“The seized Desmethyl Fentanyl was toxic enough to affect four police officers who were handling the drugs for analysis,” said a report by CBC News.
Inspector Marc Riopel of the Service de police de la Ville de Montréal (SPVM) said that “even though they were wearing masks and gloves, still by being in contact with the product, they suffered from mild injuries. One of them had to hospitalized because of a heart condition.”
Coming to America
Montreal police — the SPVM — said further they found sophisticated equipment used to produce industrial quantities of drugs. Apparently, one machine seized “was capable of producing at least one pill per second.”
SPVM released an image which shows the seized drugs bearing the typical copycat “branding” imprints — such as the Facebook logo, evident in the picture above and right — in an effort to market the drug to our kids.
If it’s not already in your own community (which probably is) you can be sure that this drug has almost certainly been successfully shipped to the United States.
According to the Montreal Gazette, two men attempted to ship 10,000 pills of Desmethyl Fentanyl — hidden inside a microwave oven and a toaster — to an address in Colorado.
The Montreal Gazette said further that during the last few months, the men had been regular customers of the UPS store where they were busted on April 25, and “always shipped the same items to various addresses in the United States.”
Stay safe out there my friends.
http://www.policeone.com/drug-inter...nger-than-heroin-Watch-out-for-this-new-drug/
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