Worried about myself - E pills.

[Desohigh]

Hello everyone.
I'm 24 years old and never got a drug since the beg of this year. I was too strict about this kinda things. I smoke bonsai weed by mistake (a friend of my gf want to make a joke).
I never smoked in my entire life. I do alcohol but not too much never get wasted. I did professionally muay thai and mixed martial arts but i quit and return to bodybuilding and intensive crossfit workouts. Anyway, im a sports man but this years eve i tried 1 E pills and loved it. Thats my story starts..

I begin to share with my friends also my girlfriends and try to encourage them for E. We got wonderful nights every friday or saturday. I started with a single dose and increase to 2. And 4th of may I increase it to 3 but felt very bad after using it. So I want to search about redosing only because my friends was very confident that E has no side effects only releasing serotonin hormone.
After searching like 4 5 hours I become very upset that it was a hell of a drug that can impair your memory..
I always do intense sports and the last times I rolled i couldn't dance same as before but lie down and listen to music with my gfs. And I couldn't do any sports like 2 days after i rolled because im feeling so tired and exhausted.

After the search of E, I counted and calculated (yes im a crazy and obsessed person) i took 24 pills in 5 months. I'm really enjoying that E never got a problem with my body. But im too scared. I didn't give any breaks more than 6 7 days. I think that I become a regular user of it. I don't want to give up because i have a huge friend network and enjoying too much with them.

I'm worried of myself that I become addicted. I didn't use this week and kept it clean. I can know that I resist myself but don't want to.
I begin to read all the posts i can to get more data on this drug. But i've to ask some questions about it.
- Is every week using damaging brain? The 5HTP has a recover power to this drug?
- I understand everybody gives a break to decrease the dosage, actually how it is? 6 weeks will be enough? And then start to roll every weekend?
- I don't want to get a hangover (the exhausted 1 -2 days after rolling) what can I do? I really like doing sports and this thing pisses me off.

At last, I got a good diet (nutrition habit for building muslce - high protein medium carbs healty fats etc). what should i do to continue my E routine without getting damage to my body and brain?
Also for pills, in our country we can't speak about the brand, the mdma dose or that kinda things with the dealer. I can't be sure with the dosage. What should i do for that situation? The test kit will be too obsessive for me.. Maybe I just have to trust to dealer cuz he respects me that im a fighter :D

Hope I explained myself truly.

 

[rollonsafely]

A test kit is in no way obsessive. Do a little reading on the dangers of PMA/PMMA and im sure you will test everything you come across til the end of time. Rolling every weekend is very neurologically damaging, you really donwant to make it a habit of waiting at least one month between rolls.

There really is no way to sustain every weekend MDMA abuse. You will start to feel negative side effects that are more pronounced then what you already discribed.

Being a fighter does not exempt you from unscrupulous drug dealers. He would sell you a bad pill just as fast im sure, then avoid you. You have to be responsible for yourself and test your own product, there should be no trust given all the RCs in the pill market today!

 

[Mazzab]

A test kit is in no way obsessive. Do a little reading on the dangers of PMA/PMMA and im sure you will test everything you come across til the end of time. Rolling every weekend is very neurologically damaging, you really donwant to make it a habit of waiting at least one month between rolls.

There really is no way to sustain every weekend MDMA abuse. You will start to feel negative side effects that are more pronounced then what you already discribed.

Being a fighter does not exempt you from unscrupulous drug dealers. He would sell you a bad pill just as fast im sure, then avoid you. You have to be responsible for yourself and test your own product, there should be no trust given all the RCs in the pill market today!

Well said.

 

[Folley]

Maybe I just have to trust to dealer

Absolutely not. That's ridiculous.. would you trust McDonalds with your health? No..? Then why the fuck would you trust a drug dealer? 8)


There is NO amount of time you can take off of "pills" to roll every week without damage. MDMA releases serotonin in massive amounts, if you continue to release serotonin without allowing it to regenerate you will cause yourself to get to lower and lower levels of serotonin, and since it is the MOST IMPORTANT chemical in your brain and regulates mood, heart rate, blood flow, digestion and other extremely important bodily functions, this is going to carry a LARGE RANGE of side effects.


Rolling every week is NOT SAFE. Take it from me, I've been there and suffered GREATLY because of it. You are only supposed to roll once every 3 months, or 4 times a year, maximum. Although, it is generally regarded that once a month is OK here.Try reading the "6 simple rules to MDMA" thread at the top of the page in Ecstasy Discussion.




Also, I'm guessing English is not your first language? Well, you explained yourself just fine regardless Welcome to BL!

 

[Maya]

Excellent advise by rollonsafely.. Some people have suggested that rolling should only be done 4 times a year. It really depends as well some people would wait a month or two to roll but doing it constantly like what you have mentioned might damage your serotonin and not testing the product is another danger because it might be cut with somethin. I'd say get a testing kit.. Do not make the same mistake as some of us (including me) who did not test the product and thus suffering a bad comedown. Everyone is different and you might have a good tolerance to it but however high your tolerance it once you abuse it, it will definitely catch up to you at some point.

 

[Clocktower]

And I couldn't do any sports like 2 days after i rolled because im feeling so tired and exhausted.

Multi-day hangovers are a typical side effect of MDMA abuse. Keep using the way you have been, and they'll only get worse.

i took 24 pills in 5 months. I'm really enjoying that E never got a problem with my body. But im too scared. I didn't give any breaks more than 6 7 days.

Your use has been WAY TOO HEAVY to continue. Luckily you've already noticed the side effects and started to do some research, so you can correct yourself before you get into more serious trouble.

I don't want to give up because i have a huge friend network and enjoying too much with them.

If your friends can't have a good time without MDMA, they're not your friends.

- Is every week using damaging brain? The 5HTP has a recover power to this drug?
- I understand everybody gives a break to decrease the dosage, actually how it is? 6 weeks will be enough? And then start to roll every weekend?
- I don't want to get a hangover (the exhausted 1 -2 days after rolling) what can I do? I really like doing sports and this thing pisses me off.

Yes, weekly use causes damage to your serotonin neurons. 5-HTP can help with serotonin recovery (maybe) but it cannot restore dead cells.

Again weekly dosing is not sustainable. To give your body enough time to recover, you should be taking a six-week break after every single roll.

To prevent hangovers, take a 1-3 month break between rolls. If you continue to roll on a weekly basis, the hangovers will only get worse.

The test kit will be too obsessive for me.. Maybe I just have to trust to dealer cuz he respects me that im a fighter :D

I don't want to be too harsh, but this is the dumbest mistake that MDMA users make. A test kit costs around $25 and contains enough reagent to last years if you use responsibly.

 

[Desohigh]

Thank you all for your advices. First of all, I won't roll without giving at least 1-2 month break. I'm glad this forum enlighten me today.
Secondly, I will definitely buy a test kit (the ones shows colors of ingredients).
To recover myself what should i do know? After that 24 pills (12-13 days rolled in 5month) It really scares me. My friends enjoy every week with cocaine + ketamine.
But I newer touch them because of possible addiction. Is LSD better than E? More healthy?
Frankly speaking, I never think a pill can be so dangerous as this..

 

[Folley]

LSD is relatively non-toxic, and damage wise is much safer in theory. Any drug you use weekly will cause problems in the long run though, moderation is key with all risky activity.

 

[laugh]

I love a good theory.

 

[dpd_mnk92]

Thank you all for your advices. First of all, I won't roll without giving at least 1-2 month break. I'm glad this forum enlighten me today.
Secondly, I will definitely buy a test kit (the ones shows colors of ingredients).
To recover myself what should i do know? After that 24 pills (12-13 days rolled in 5month) It really scares me. My friends enjoy every week with cocaine + ketamine.
But I newer touch them because of possible addiction. Is LSD better than E? More healthy?
Frankly speaking, I never think a pill can be so dangerous as this..

Well it doesn't seem you have much to recover from - this could be due to the fact that you are a relatively new user and that you have a healthy, active lifestyle. If you are feeling relatively okay, then just keep up the healthy lifestyle and take bigger breaks like people have suggested.

If you have started noticing obvious side effects, that's a different story. In this case, I would play it much safer and take a short break from drugs (especially stimulants and those that affect serotonin such as LSD, mushrooms) and a longer break from MDMA (maybe around 6 months).

If you haven't observed any strange side effects, don't stress out! You took too much for a period but it's over now. I know plenty of people who have taken a lot more and been absolutely fine. I only started getting obvious side effects when I probably took close to the equivalent of those 24 pills (depending on their strength) in a single night. Be happy that you have come out of this experienced relatively unscathed, consume in a less reckless way and spread your newly acquired harm reduction knowledge to your friends so that they can continue enjoy it too.

Whilst they come with their own sets of potential problems, weekly ketamine/ cocaine use is far safer than weekly MDMA use. MDMA is really not that kind of drug. Weed is the only recreational drug IMO, which can be used by MOST people, on a very regular basis, without too many problems.

 

[Desohigh]

Well it doesn't seem you have much to recover from - this could be due to the fact that you are a relatively new user and that you have a healthy, active lifestyle. If you are feeling relatively okay, then just keep up the healthy lifestyle and take bigger breaks like people have suggested.

I go deep and find which days I rolled I abuse 1 month rule starting from 9march till 4May and 1 time rolled 2days in a row. I think 2 month damage will be reverseable.

If you have started noticing obvious side effects, that's a different story. In this case, I would play it much safer and take a short break from drugs (especially stimulants and those that affect serotonin such as LSD, mushrooms) and a longer break from MDMA (maybe around 6 months).

I don't know the LSD and shrooms but im going to a trip to A'dam so ill def try mushrooms and weed. This will effect my recovery?

If you haven't observed any strange side effects, don't stress out!

If I read more about it, I will definitely get depressed

Whilst they come with their own sets of potential problems, weekly ketamine/ cocaine use is far safer than weekly MDMA use. MDMA is really not that kind of drug. Weed is the only recreational drug IMO, which can be used by MOST people, on a very regular basis, without too many problems.

Probably losing the MDMA weekly routine make me that I need drugs to have fun but It's not. I will stay away from drugs. Just upcoming festivals make me think about it a little

 

[dpd_mnk92]

I don't know the LSD and shrooms but im going to a trip to A'dam so ill def try mushrooms and weed. This will effect my recovery?

It depends! Have you been suffering from any negative symptoms of MDMA abuse? For example: Mood swings, depression, anxiety, brain zaps, cognitive issues. Do you feel any different now compared to 5 months ago before you began weekly MDMA consumption?

If you do not feel the same as you did before, then yes going overboard on mushrooms and weed may not be the smartest thing to do right now. If you feel more or less the same as you did before, I don't see why you'd have too much of a problem with mushrooms/ weed. Just be sensible and listen to your body!

 

[Desohigh]

I'm feeling fine. Never got depressed always in happy mood except searching E things in the forums That makes me scared.
Anyway, I started weekly MDMA in March so it has been 2 months. 1 in christmas 1 is in 9th feb. The weekly started at 9th march so its only 2 months of abuse.
But the shrooms also affect serotonin system like E? Cuz i dont think i will use it except A'dam.

 

[Septonn]

but im going to a trip to A'dam so ill def try mushrooms and weed.

Just some financial harm reduction advice: buy your truffles (no legal shrooms here anymore mate) at a proper smartshop, and your weed from one of the smaller coffeeshops off the big streets in the city centre. Oh, and do try to see some of the city sobre, it really is more than weed, booze and prostitutes

 

[Desohigh]

Thank you for suggestions, I'll definitely try being sober when i first travel around the city.
I somehow find a site that sells After E products.

In Before After section. Is these products are trustable?
Also they are selling herbal XTC's? How is that possible :D

 

[Alaska457]

The research is what made me get bad panic attacks, anxiety, and basically made everything else 100x worse. I would of never even noticed a difference except I think I got serotonin syndrome from my last dose (re-dosed 4 times in 4 days) and I woke up completely out of it. I didn't even notice it, or think anything, but I had these weirddd dreams the night where I woke up feeling like this. One was with like Nicki Minaj and the other was a long time ago in this friends house that lived way out in the woods, and I went to stay there, and it was themed around that. I woke up and didn't really think anything, I took out the garbage and the smell reminded me of some good memories and before I got an injury (2 years back) that put me out of competitive sports and made me isolate and get SA, and I just started crying and kept opening the windows to smell the air again. I did some other stuff then I took a shower and took some Tylenol after I got out, because I did notice I felt weird. Then, I went to the internet and started researching more about bad come downs and that's when everything got 100x worse, and I couldn't stop researching for like 5 days straight. I probably would of been fine if I never researched into it more than I had. It's about week 2 and I feel pretty okay, I just am getting panic attacks on and off from my injury and looking back on everything (It's made me look back on literally every point in my life, and it's really depressing, like for some reason when I see little kids or something I think back to those days when I was really happy and had tons of fun, and didn't have to deal with this injury and everything that came with it). Make sure you get some good exercise after you roll even if you feel bad because it will get you better a lot faster.

I'd stick to like 1 roll every couple months unless you're still fine after all those rolls, but definitely give yourself time if you roll like 3 times in a month, don't roll the next month so everything can regenerate. Just do some other drugs like cocaine, opiates, or whatever they all are pretty good and they don't damage the recovery process, just don't get addicted to them lol.

 

[Desohigh]

I'd stick to like 1 roll every couple months unless you're still fine after all those rolls, but definitely give yourself time if you roll like 3 times in a month, don't roll the next month so everything can regenerate. Just do some other drugs like cocaine, opiates, or whatever they all are pretty good and they don't damage the recovery process, just don't get addicted to them lol.

Thank you for your advice I don't want it nowadays. After trying truffles(Shrooms) I feel very happy and become happier than pills.
I will use pills for festivals or stressful weeks which i will surely give at least 1 month break.

FMI, Is magic truffles effect my pill recovery? Or do i have give a 1 month break after using them?