Two plead guilty to having LSD look-alike, likely first case of its kind in Coles Cou

severely etarded said:
^ so you accept being sold piperazines as "ecstasy"?

I don't :|

If you say you have some acid for sale, it better be LSD or I'm going to be upset after buying it and having it misrepresented as LSD.

I like to know what drug I'm actually taking... I don't have a problem drugs that are labeled properly. Don't call a duck a squirrel just because they are both animals..
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No, but I don’t accept active drugs as being labeled as fake... It is just not what you thought it was. You were deceived, not the drug... The drug didn’t change.

It’s not fake LSD, it is a different drug altogether...

This is everyday chances we take buying drugs on the street, and I bet you a lot of people didn’t even notice the difference.

This is why it is so important to get your drugs tested...
 
I feel your frustrations and I feel as though every drug should be properly represented as a unique substance to a certain extent.

I don't feel your frustrations towards the whole "fake" label. Any 25x's I've seen were all in powder form. Ever see any powdered LSD? Cause I haven't. What are blotters notorious for? LSD. If it's 25i-nbome on a blotter then it could be deemed fake acid legitimately.
 
It is possible for a legal fake to not be an ontological fake. It all depends on how the laws are written. You'd have to look up South Carolina's law and find the definition of "imitation controlled substance" or whatever they call it.
 
LOL

This logic is off...

It’s not fake... It’s just not what you thought it was...

If you buy heroin, but got fentanyl instead, It is not fake heroin, it is fentanyl... <Do you guys understand now?

It is real, it is in your hands, you take it something similar happens, but it is off... So you get it tested, and it is a different substance altogether.

LSD that is not LSD is not fake, it is just not LSD... LSD is LSD, and can only be LSD...
Ecstasy that is not Ecstasy is not fake, it is just not Ecstasy... Ecstasy is Ecstasy, and can only be Ecstasy...
Do you guys get it yet?

The news gets this logic wrong all the time...

For all they know they could have gotten plain blotter paper... <That is fake
 
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Acid should be LSD if it's advertised as LSD. Fentanyl is actually practically the same thing as Acid. If I bought DOB being told it was Acid, I wouldn't be satisfied. Fentanyl is known as "synthetic heroin" AKA china white. The effects are practically the same.

If you think DOB or 25x is anything like LSD... IDK what to say. I got some fake acid passed off as LSD the first time I tried "acid" and it didn't compare to the real deal. That shit is fake if it's called "acid" IMO. Like comparing methamphetamine and MDMA... I wouldn't accept straight meth as "ecstasy", just because they are both stimulating and euphoric...
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
LOL

This logic is off...

It’s not fake... It’s just not what you thought it was...

If you buy heroin, but got fentanyl instead, It is not fake heroin, it is fentanyl... <Do you guys understand now?

It is real, it is in your hands, you take it something similar happens, but it is off... So you get it tested, and it is a different substance altogether.

LSD that is not LSD is not fake, it is just not LSD... LSD is LSD, and can only be LSD...
Ecstasy that is not Ecstasy is not fake, it is just not Ecstasy... Ecstasy is Ecstasy, and can only be Ecstasy...
Do you guys get it yet?

The news gets this logic wrong all the time...

For all they know they could have gotten plain blotter paper... <That is fake
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As they say, tell it to the judge.
 
severely etarded said:
Acid should be LSD if it's advertised as LSD. Fentanyl is actually practically the same thing as Acid. If I bought DOB being told it was Acid, I wouldn't be satisfied. Fentanyl is known as "synthetic heroin" AKA china white. The effects are practically the same.

If you think DOB or 25x is anything like LSD... IDK what to say. I got some fake acid passed off as LSD the first time I tried "acid" and it didn't compare to the real deal. That shit is fake if it's called "acid" IMO. Like comparing methamphetamine and MDMA... I wouldn't accept straight meth as "ecstasy", just because they are both stimulating and euphoric...
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You are still missing the point...

Also, I never said they feel the same...

You get ripped off, it is not what you thought it was, but it is still a substance... It is not fake, it is just not what you thought it was.
 
severely etarded said:
fake:
adj.
Having a false or misleading appearance; fraudulent.
n.
1. One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham.
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Can you see molecules?
Can you see that it is not authentic/genuine just by looking at it?

Without either of those, it is inconclusive if it was what you thought it was or not... So, the standard definition does not apply. <That is my point.
 
Oh my god, still lol?
In your example if the fentanyl was packaged up to look like a standard stamp bag of heroin then that makes it FAKE HEROIN. Do YOU get it yet? It doesn't make it not fentanyl, it doesn't make the blotters not 25i, or the bzp pressed to look exactly like an Ecstasy pill not an active chemical still in the end. But it wasn't the fucking one you intended on buying, and no one told you. That makes it fake man.. Why are you still just going on with your ridiculous counterpoints? I've understood what you were saying the entire time. I agreed with most of it, except for the part where you're trying to preach how we're wrong, you're right blah blah blah.. The pushers that are selling the fake shit set it up to mimic a more commonly known drug. So I think you're sort of wrong here. "The standard definition does not apply, is my point," you say. Well it totally does apply because a majority of the time it's faking you out to be a different drug, presented to you in a signature fashion.
"Can you see molecules?" Lol, you're really running low on material for your fake definition of fake argument at this point.
 
shit you guys are getting all hung up on slang names. Acid and/or ecstasy can be anything. If anything ecstasy is now methylone, it's just slang, which is why we should use the chemical name instead. Acid is a drug in blotter form most often (yes other forms exist) but even in the 60s it wasn't necessarily LSD, it's been redefined. Definitions change, slang changes and this is what happens.

From now on, just assume Acid and E are like bath salts, you never know what's in them.

so if someone is selling you acid, you should just ask, oh is it LSD or something else? if they know it's not LSD and still sell it then they are pieces of shit if they sell it as LSD. Ultimately it's up to the user to know that acid and ecstasy are often misrepresented today. 10-15 years ago, different story but now this is the case.

the only case for a fake drug is someone selling you baking soda or just a piece of paper as blotter lol as there is no drug and it's represented as a drug for sale.
 
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RobotRipping said:
the only case for a fake drug is someone selling you baking soda or just a piece of paper as blotter lol as there is no drug and it's represented as a drug for sale.
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Well you're on your own side here on this. Because I believe Jay's view is that it can never be fake. If it was baking soda, it's baking soda, hence making it real, despite what you bought it under the false pretenses of.
 
RobotRipping said:
shit you guys are getting all hung up on slang names. Acid and/or ecstasy can be anything. If anything ecstasy is now methylone, it's just slang, which is why we should use the chemical name instead. Acid is a drug in blotter form most often (yes other forms exist) but even in the 60s it wasn't necessarily LSD, it's been redefined. Definitions change, slang changes and this is what happens.

From now on, just assume Acid and E are like bath salts, you never know what's in them.

so if someone is selling you acid, you should just ask, oh is it LSD or something else? if they know it's not LSD and still sell it then they are pieces of shit if they sell it as LSD. Ultimately it's up to the user to know that acid and ecstasy are often misrepresented today. 10-15 years ago, different story but now this is the case.
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No. If somebody sells me acid I expect it to be LSD. If somebody sells me ecstasy I expect it to be MDMA. If they knew it was methylone or an NBOMe and didn't tell me about it, they must die (so to speak).

Of course, I assume it can be anything, but it's not ok for dealers to think it's ok to sell me anything because acid or E can be any serotonergic. They must die.
 
23536 said:
No. If somebody sells me acid I expect it to be LSD. If somebody sells me ecstasy I expect it to be MDMA. If they knew it was methylone or an NBOMe and didn't tell me about it, they must die (so to speak).

Of course, I assume it can be anything, but it's not ok for dealers to think it's ok to sell me anything because acid or E can be any serotonergic. They must die.
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i fully agree with you but in practice this just isn't working out. These greedy asshole dealers have no problem passing off RCs as other drugs. I guess it's best to know your dealer and test your drugs. Since drug dealers have no regulations and are mostly concerned with just making as much money as possible (most not all) then this is going to happen more and more. And E may as well be methylone and acid may as well be 25i or who knows what because right now, more often than not, this is the case.

i'd think if you were an informed dealer who cared about psychedelics and MDMA that you would just tell the person up front, hey this is LSD, or this is 25i or this is methylone or MDMA. When a dealer sells acid, people think it's LSD and will buy it, if they knew it was 25i-nBOME something they've probably never even heard of, they probably wouldn't buy it. In a regulated market, this would of course be illegal.
 
RobotRipping said:
i fully agree with you but in practice this just isn't working out. These greedy asshole dealers have no problem passing off RCs as other drugs. I guess it's best to know your dealer and test your drugs. Since drug dealers have no regulations and are mostly concerned with just making as much money as possible (most not all) then this is going to happen more and more. And E may as well be methylone and acid may as well be 25i or who knows what because right now, more often than not, this is the case.

i'd think if you were an informed dealer who cared about psychedelics and MDMA that you would just tell the person up front, hey this is LSD, or this is 25i or this is methylone or MDMA. When a dealer sells acid, people think it's LSD and will buy it, if they knew it was 25i-nBOME something they've probably never even heard of, they probably wouldn't buy it. In a regulated market, this would of course be illegal.
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Who the fuck doesn’t understand?
What is your excuse?
Blackmarket trumps reality...
Blackmarket will indeed sel you anything... Your perception of fake IS FAKE...

It is just not what you knew it was.

It wasn’t meant as a phony, the teel you what it is close to... Cause it is brand new and THEY DONT EVEN KNOW THE COMPARISON.

That is what I’m saying....

Perception rules

They are not going by our perception of fake.

Dammit look past that.... I know what fake is, but a lot of idiots even selling don’t know what half of the drugs they sell even feel like....
 
YOUR illusion of fake is fake, lol. I'm gonna stick with a dictionary definition and not what I think a word should mean.

"It wasn't meant as a phony, they tell you what it is close to.." but then right after that you say "Cause it's new and they don't even know the comparison." Well then how the hell do they know what to market it to you as?! They just pick up some random powders and take a shot in the dark as to what they'll label it as?
Some will choose to use their knowledge of what it is to fool people. Drug dealers are also drug buyers. Drug dealers can be tricked just as easily as someone buying something from a friend of a friend on campus. Maybe the seller knows what it was and is lying, or maybe he was lied to and didn't know the difference. There are various degrees of drug pushing. It's normally passed along through many different peoples hands and broken apart and dispersed. The end results title is going to be whatever the big game of telephones final word was. It may not be going by the name it originally was going under.

It depends on the person as far as if they're trying to push it as a phony. Some most certainly do buy it knowingly with the intent to distribute it as a phony version of something else. But was Nichols team trying to test out a potential phony? I don't think so. It's all dependent on who has it what they plan to do with it from there.

Dumbass middle men who think they know how to run a drug game will sell it to people after the person they bought it from told them what it was, and then they probably asked something along the lines of wtf does that mean? What is it like? I'm sure a comparison is given and they run with that and sell it as that. Those type of dick heads suck. They're not really idiots, they just have ulterior motives rather than expanding awareness, mainly expanding their wallets. And I don't understand why someone can't sell something they've never tried. What does that matter?

It trickles down from the true suppliers as what it is and falls into the hands of shmucks who don't care about what it is apart from that people will like it. Especially if you tell them it's something they've been seeking out and make some money off of them.
If your dealer believes he's really selling acid to you when it's actually 25i because HIS dealer told him it was some banging L, then he got duped, just like the next guy that gets from that dealers batch will be. Probably shouldn't invest in bulk of things you haven't tested. He's an idiot. An idiot that is selling you FAKE LSD.
If your dealer knew what it was, and laid it out on blotters to look exactly like acid and then sells it to you for a ridiculously marked up price under false pretenses, then he's a fucking shiester. And he's selling you FAKE LSD.
Both of the dealers are selling you real 25i, but somewhere down the line deception was thrown in.
But it's like you're saying there's no such thing as fake because it has to be something. If it's a blotter with absolutely nothing on it, it still does not make it Fake acid, from what I'm gathering about your perspective on this.
It's fucking paper people! it's real, and a very commonly used essential of life okay!?
 
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i dunno if you're directing that at me lol but i don't disagree with you really. I get your point, except in the case where someone sells you paper as a drug, i'll consider that a fake drug. But a drug is a drug, there are no 'fake' drugs. But that's just taking the word literally. People mean fake acid is not what they thought it was, which would be LSD.
 
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