Don’t Fool Yourself: The Legalization of Weed Will Lead to More People Smoking it

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One of the strangest things about being an enthusiastic pot smoker is that you constantly meet people who aren’t high all the time, which often leaves you wondering “What the fuck is wrong with these people?” I have no idea, but what I do know is that pot’s illegality absolutely influences this decision for most of them, often subconsciously. Don’t believe me? The second legalization passed in Washington, members on every side of my wife and my family were all of a sudden looking for a hook up. Christmas shopping was super easy. I got weed for nearly everyone, because that’s what they fucking asked for. I’m not joking. Some of these people haven’t smoked in years.

Because of the drug war, pretty much everything said about recreational drugs publicly is essentially insane. About the biggest argument conservative types can come up with against loosening weed laws has always been, but, if we legalize marijuana, more people will smoke it. Yep, exactly. What’s funny is that a lot of pro-legalization advocates lie and argue, no it won’t, look at the numbers in Portugal or whatever. Total shit. Weed being legal is going to lead to a lot more people smoking it, and that’s probably the best thing that’s happened to our society culturally in ages. I personally think getting baked should be mandatory for anyone who is way too type A or high strung, which is why I always have a bag ready for my step mom when I visit. I feel bad for my dad.

Something I wasn’t aware of at all until just recently is just how few people actually get high on the regs. According to some data, that number’s as low as 14% in America. 14 fucking percent? We can do better than that. We need to get that number up to say, 80. I’m on it. But marijuana can increase schizophrenic tendencies and make people lazy, and I have this one friend who can’t handle it and, blar-ditty-blar-ditty-blar, shut the fuck up. You know how awful booze is for you? We drink it constantly…CONSTANTLY. Our entire social culture revolves around it. A specialty beer store opened up a half block away from my apartment about a year ago. The place is continuously packed to the point that it’s now difficult to find parking on my street. Because alcohol is fucking everywhere and officially condoned by society, people don’t think twice about slavishly devoting themselves to the culture that surrounds it.

I’ve always found these people sort of embarrassing and goddamn there’s a lot of them. “Beer! Beer! Beer! Fucking Beer man!” I’ve known so many folks like this over the years and what’s sad is that often it’s like watching a feedback loop of marketing made flesh. Yep, that is exactly the attitude that the people who profit from alcohol sales would love you to have. It’s also the most conformist position in the history of the universe. Yeah, that one recreational drug society lets you do legally. How benevolent of them to give us that illustrious privilege. Never mind that constant use keeps you stupid, ugly, lazy, and easy to control.

Now, me dissing booze is a bit hypocritical taking into consideration that roughly a year ago I was still pounding roughly 30 tall boys a week, but here’s the thing, I was largely doing this solely to fit into society. I’m well aware of that. I don’t fool myself. I drank a ton because that’s what people do and it was rather irresponsible. How irresponsible? Well, I’ve tried most illegal drugs and I’ve come up with this simple equation: If you take all the stupid shit I’ve done on all the illegal drugs I’ve taken over the years combined and multiply that number by a thousand, that’s roughly the stupid shit I’ve done drunk. Driving around Seattle completely blacked out? Yep. Sleeping with random strangers I met in bars? Sure. Sleeping with women I’d soberly sworn I wouldn’t touch? Indeed. Waking up with cracked ribs and having exactly no idea how that happened? Check and mate. It’s sort of amazing I’m still alive when you take how recklessly I drank in my youth into consideration, but I’m lucky. I once knew a guy who was paraplegic because his friends drunkenly dared him to jump off a roof one night and he did (take that LSD).

And that’s the thing, we all know alcohol is way more dangerous than pot. Everyone in law enforcement knows it. So what would be the problem per se if more people started to prefer getting high? That seems like the opposite of a problem and sort of like a solution. More specifically, why have alcohol companies been spending a ton of money to prevent that from happening for years? It’s not a fair fight. The legalization we’re talking about in regards to marijuana in Washington isn’t even close to putting it on a level playing field as booze or even pharmaceuticals. It’s a baby step in the right direction. There aren’t going to be pot clubs any time soon. I won’t be able to order a joint while waiting for dinner at a fancy restaurant or watching a band at a club. Ridiculous. We need to get to that point, the sooner the better, and freaks like me aren’t going to rest until we do.

You know what happened back in the 90’s? They started allowing pharmaceutical companies to put ads on television. Unsurprisingly, we now pop more pills than ever as a culture. See what I mean? They don’t just spend all this money on marketing because it’s fun to throw money away. Essentially, because of our batshit laws (which are increasingly bought and paid for), you can now invent medical conditions like Low T, come up with the antidote, advertise, sit back, and watch the money roll in. Hey, I’ve already got a condition that requires marijuana use, it’s called our-entire-society-is-a-bunch-of- boring-work-a-day-funnel-wealth to-the-top-horseshit-itis. My doctor told me I was lame as all get out, and so he prescribed me marijuana. Maybe now someday I’ll actually say something funny or interesting. Maybe.

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http://disinfo.com/2013/05/dont-foo...l-absolutely-lead-to-more-people-smoking-pot/
 
This seems like an interesting read, I must try and come back later and read the whole article when I have more time.
 
between hard data and speculation, I'll take hard data. Portugal saw use go down. Amsterdam saw use go down.
 
I think there will be an initial spike, but most people prefer booze. I probably would only smoke if I was staying in, but not so much at parties.
 
yeah and if everyone smokes pot then they'll go on to use harder drugs and become addicts, leading to a complete breakdown of the whole system. I'd think the government would want a bunch of people who are passive and complacent because they are high. If people can live under a bridge while being a heroin addict, then they (the addicts) don't really have much power in changing anything. Legalize heroin.

With the legalization of cannabis, rates of schizophrenia are going to skyrocket and mental hospitals will be completely full. Maybe they'll have to turn prisons into mental hospitals just to keep up. It's a scary time for the United States, glad i live in Canada, where it's still quasi-illegal.
 
between hard data and speculation, I'll take hard data. Portugal saw use go down. Amsterdam saw use go down.

You have never been to Portugal in the past 5 years have you? The place is a poor run down shit hole with drug ruined ghettos in some parts where the police have next to no control over the criminal elements who now supply them. By all means hand pick as many studies or journals you want but reality is drugs use is rampant and crime is not a great deal better, if not worse than before the laws were softened.
 
there will always be run down places filled with crime, there were before drug prohibition and there will be after. that doesn't negate the positives that legalizing drug use will create. You need some studies or journal articles to back up your own claims as well. I'm sure there have been some published by the anti-drug nuts out there.
 
Please take the time to visit Portugal and I am sure you will have a different view. I am all for decriminalisation of many drugs but I don't hold Portugal up as a bastion for all that is good. It is still illegal to traffic and deal but of course if you stack your organisation with street level dealers that do not attract the attention of the law it makes it easier for organise crime to flourish, which goes against a lot of arguments that pro drug activists have for eliminating the black market.

Read all the articles you like but nothing replaces a hands on experience of Portugal.
 
You have never been to Portugal in the past 5 years have you? The place is a poor run down shit hole with drug ruined ghettos in some parts where the police have next to no control over the criminal elements who now supply them. By all means hand pick as many studies or journals you want but reality is drugs use is rampant and crime is not a great deal better, if not worse than before the laws were softened.

I would love to go to Portugal actually. I almost speak the language. I'm sure after a couple of weeks I'll pick it up.

I believe what you're saying. When I tell people who haven't seen Cuba that Cuba is not the socialist utopia they envision it to be, they say I'm full of shit, even though I was born there. I don't care how many studies are shown to me that suggest that the Cuban people are a giant joyous Marxist choir. Nothing erases personal experience.

But to the question of whether use went up or down since drug liberalization, the niceness or nastiness of the society is irrelevant. Either it increased or it decreased, and that should be easy to determine.
 
otw said:
By all means hand pick as many studies or journals you want but reality is drugs use is rampant and crime is not a great deal better, if not worse than before the laws were softened.

Violent crime is up (by a lot in some areas), but overall crime has been trending downward. In 2012, that is. Here's more broadly, trend seems to hold for violent crime.

On the other hand, decriminalization has ameliorated a lot of drug related issues, and the premise of the article posted in the OP is bullshit.
 
You have never been to Portugal in the past 5 years have you? The place is a poor run down shit hole with drug ruined ghettos in some parts where the police have next to no control over the criminal elements who now supply them. By all means hand pick as many studies or journals you want but reality is drugs use is rampant and crime is not a great deal better, if not worse than before the laws were softened.

Yeah so fuck addicts, let's lock 'em up. :|
 
P It is still illegal to traffic and deal but of course if you stack your organisation with street level dealers that do not attract the attention of the law it makes it easier for organise crime to flourish, which goes against a lot of arguments that pro drug activists have for eliminating the black market.
Truth, and what worries me about piecemeal legalization in the states. Transporting the legal stuff across state lines will be stupid easy and mad profitable then hello yet more corruption and organized crime.
If I was king I'd legalize all plants to be grown and sold by anyone (though pay your taxes citizen) and legalize all chemical drugs but restrict manufacturing to professional, inspected labs and make misrepresented product a felony. Sold OTC at the liquor store/ head shop. Morons will be morons, but at least it would employ more lawyers than gunmen.
Oh, and if I could pick up some nice indica at the corner shop I might go through a slice every month or three, weed is kind of a shitty drug for me. I'd rather drink if I have to be around others, at least that poison makes me _feel_ witty for a bit.
If you want to see some perverse corruption, take a look at the mandatory treatment programs for kids caught at a kegger, or frat boy stoners mixing with a couple junkies/alkies/tweakers who actually want to be there and more who don't, and a couple folks selling whatever to everyone. While the center extorts money from each of them.
 
between hard data and speculation, I'll take hard data. Portugal saw use go down. Amsterdam saw use go down.

This.

Also, because cannabis is so commonly available in most places, people already have the opportunity to exercise their preferences. I don't see more people using since preferences will mostly remain the same.
 
Yeah I really don't think a large enough fraction of people take intrinsic joy in the headspace marijuana creates for it to ever go epidemic. This is a major reason marijuana cannot ever be a threat to public health. I'm with you guys who say wherever legalization happens, use rates will see a spike as the timid get curious, but then it'll settle out at maybe a few percentage points higher than the old baseline.

The fact is, those of us who do find marijuana euphoric and live in places where it's illegal have a well-developed culture of flying just under the radar. People who crave it need only scratch beneath the surface of polite society. People who don't need not seek it out, and just like that, their worlds seem devoid of it.
 
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