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timsul999

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do these exist? when taken more than once a year won't cause permanent brain damage, other catastrophic maladies, etc
I know the term research chemical implies exactly that, but I guess i'm looking for some drugs that would be more benign and not some crazy shit made by some deadbeat in a meth lab.

being more specific: I'm looking for legal mood enhancers that kill anxiety but aren't overtly intoxicating enough to make me incompetent. and maybe if it isn't too much to ask non-habit forming? I figure there's something out there and I really only have surface knowledge of this sort of scene (kava, phenibut, kanna, kratom) but synthetics are okay too.
 
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timsul999 said:
do these exist? when taken more than once a year won't cause permanent brain damage, other catastrophic maladies, etc
I know the term research chemical implies exactly that, but I guess i'm looking for some drugs that would be more benign and not some crazy shit made by some deadbeat in a meth lab.
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Nothing is 100% safe. With RC's, unless you get them from a very reliable and legit vendor, they could be just as impure and dangerous as something like street meth, if not worse in some occasions.
 
MikeRWK said:
none of the rc's are made by deadbeats in methlabs, theres no drug you can abuse without some consequence, even weed.
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was referring to more physical consequences, as in hellish WDs and organ damage. I figured anyone could through enough shit in a blender, boil it and give it a fancy name but I guess that's a naive assumption.

Mr.Scagnattie said:
Nothing is 100% safe. With RC's, unless you get them from a very reliable and legit vendor, they could be just as impure and dangerous as something like street meth, if not worse in some occasions.
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scary
*seriously
 
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^Etizolam isnt technically an rc, it is prescribed in many countries such as japan, india, ect. As long as you stay away from those shitty home pressed uk "pellets" and stick with the blister packs you cant go wrong. In regards to the OPs question, etiz does wonders for anxiety while leaving you able to function normally but it is most definitely habbit forming. Same with kratom(also not an rc), it obliterates any anxiety I have while filling me with empathy. This makes it very tempting to dose everyday which leads to an opiate addiction that would probably cause you twice as much anxiety as you suffered from in the first place. Phenibut is strange as it is also habbit forming but does nothing for my anxiety. I would say start with the kava. There are plenty of strong extracts out there and while they wont totally kill your anxiety they will help it and arent likely to cause addiction(IME)
 
Agreed... the blister packs of etizolam typically sold are basically an India prescription drug. Phenibut also is a Russian prescription drug but unfortunately I have not seen the equivalent of the etizolam blister packs... still, there are some vendors that don't have dodgy product. I treat both of them as benzo like drugs, which means only occasional usage to me. I have heard withdrawal issues with both.

I think kava is pretty safe... although there are some issues with heavy usage, I don't think I've ever heard of any physical withdrawals. It is not a direct GABA agonist, it's a little different than the benzos or phenibut.

I've heard picamilon is pretty safe, you may still want to cycle it but the tolerance issues are much less.

Most "RCs" are probably not safe for daily use. I think I've heard some anti-anxiety reports from MXE, and based on some anti-anxiety reports with magic mushrooms one wonders about similar RCs (eg: low dose 4-ACO-DMT?) But with something like kava, you have a long history of relatively safe usage. With many of these others, you are playing guinea pig and I've heard a few reports of people that screwed themselves up using something like MXE for depression.
 
The reason why they're called "research chemicals" is because no one knows the long term side effects and risks... they're relatively new chemicals that are still in the research stage... hence the name. While you can find documentation on the short term effects, an RC could be causing brain cancer in a majority of users but no one knows about it yet because it takes 10 years of use to show symptoms.

Hell even, drugs that have been around forever and are prescribed to you by a doctor aren't "100% safe." Nearly every drug has side effects and many have serious side effects but only show up in a very small percentage of patients so they're still widely used. No one can say it's "100% safe" though because you could be that .001% that has a fatal reaction to a certain drug that almost everyone else can take daily with no problem.

being more specific: I'm looking for legal mood enhancers that kill anxiety but aren't overtly intoxicating enough to make me incompetent. and maybe if it isn't too much to ask non-habit forming? I figure there's something out there and I really only have surface knowledge of this sort of scene (kava, phenibut, kanna, kratom) but synthetics are okay too.
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That said, 5-HTP may be something for you to look into. If you're in the US, you can buy it over the counter and any vitamin store or pharmacy. It's the precursor to serotonin and therefore can help improve your mood and possibly even help mild depression. Just don't combine with other serotonin acting drugs like MDMA for risk of serotonin syndrome (though it can be beneficial to use the day AFTER taking MDMA to help your brain restore its seretonin levels to normal.)
 
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^^ What he said.

People are playing with fire with these drugs, nobody knows what the long term consequences may be. I'd really at least ask the people in ADD before taking something dodgy, some of these drugs have been proven to be cardiotoxic, or have really nasty metabolites which fuck up your liver, etc. I don't touch any of that shit myself, I keep with the illegal drugs(they may fuck you up, but at least we know how, heh).
 
just by virtue of the name research chemical, there's no way there is a 100% safe chemical out there because it hasn't been researched?

some likely candidates though are the 2c-x class of drugs and most if not all tryptamines (aMT and 5-meo-aMT seem a bit off to me). As for as stimulants go, some are more damaging than others (amphetamines vs cathinones), but i'm pretty sure ethylphenidate isn't neurotoxic at least, from what people have discovered so far and based on speculation from studies of MPH. Etizolam is likely to be 100% safe unless you have a withdrawal from it, in which case, you may or may not die or have seizures.

i don't know correct me if i'm wrong, i think there is a risk management system that can be applied to these new drugs rather than just saying 'NO! they are inherently dangerous, stick to the classics"
 
"100% safe RC" is a contradiction. As mentioned, some RCs have been around for longer and more research has done been on them, but you're still dealing with, well, research chemicals here.

If you're dead set on doing RCs, do ones that have been around for a while, say, for example, 2C-x vs. 25x or 4-FA vs. MDPV. Extensively research any drug you're considering doing before doing it. And just because they 'weren't made by a deadbeat in a methlab' doesn't mean they are 100% pure. The RC market (unlike pharms, for example) still don't have any real control over the purity of products sold or even the honesty of the vendors in question.

Your best bet is to find a good vendor (something we can't help you with here) and get their product tested by a third party lab.
 
thanks for the responses guys. etizolam looks great and relatively safe when used sparingly, and I'll definitely be cautious with what I buy and who from. i'm pretty fucking paranoid about brain damage especially so just the idea of experimental stimulants has me reeling.

RobotRipping said:
'NO! they are inherently dangerous, stick to the classics"
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I agree. I definitely think you shouldn't be overly optimistic about RCs, but leaning hard the other way and being alarmist is unnecessary.

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If you're worried about brain damage and catastrophic maladies before taking drugs, i can only imagine the psychological complexities you may be dealing with after having taken drugs. Nothing we consume is 100% safe, because none of it is ever 100% natural, pure, or sterile - even food and water. Etizolam wouldn't be my first recommendation, because benzos are significantly damaging to your cognition, which isn't really appreciated by anybody.

As far as my recommendation, i would say pretty much any drug will boost your mood somewhat. Kratom seems to be one of the safer routes to go, but i might suggest nearly anything from MXE to 4MEC as long as you use the proper dosage you will not become overwhelmingly intoxicated on any substance, including heroin or crack (for extreme examples). It's all in the throttle control.
 
^etizolam has been shown to be quite different in regards to tolerance, withdrawal and cognitive damage compared to benzodiazepines. Etizolam is not a benzo, and even though it acts in a very similar fashion, there's some evidence (in rats) that etizolam has greater properties, one of them being 5x more potent of an anxiolytic than diazepam. It's also shown some efficacy as an antidepressant.

nevertheless, it's really easy to get dependent on etizolam for this reason, so utmost caution is needed when playing with etizolam.
 
I equate brain damage to neurotoxicity. I know amphetamines and dissociatives are in the long-term so I try to avoid those, or at least not use them except on occasion. I could see Etizolam dumbing you down, but as far as damaging your cognition I think benzo and derivatives when used sparingly are completely fine.

RobotRipping said:
^etizolam has been shown to be quite different in regards to tolerance, withdrawal and cognitive damagecompared to benzodiazepines.
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uhhhh.. you mind elaborating?
 
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014299905007223 check that study out for one and search etizolam on google scholar and you'll find shit loads of information on how etizolam is different and in fact a better medication for anxiety than good old diazepam or other benzos. I wouldn't take it recreationally though, if you don't have anxiety, don't touch it unless you want an anxiety disorder. Or at the very least, be very careful with it, it's not very recreational anyway.

i am studying electronic engineering so if my cognition were affected negatively, i'd think i'd know by now :)
 
The tryptamines appear to be safe (but can't be used every day), so do most of the classic 2cs (c, i, e, p), but again can't be used every day. MDAI appears safe, but again can't be used every day (serotonin depletion). Some of the milder stims may be safe in low doses. Don't know about cannabinoides but a lot probably aren't all that safe. Nbomes aren't that safe. It's really hard to tell because most of these drugs are either new developments or pharmaceuticals abandoned a long time ago (not necessarily due to safety).
 
No drug could possibly be considered 100% safe.
If you're looking for something not intoxicating I would do as you said and stay in the area of legal herbals.
A buddy of mine was talking about one which helps him sleep very well and unlike other sleep aids had him wake up very well rested.
I'll have to ask him what it is, but I have no experience with it and am just going by what he says
 
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