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Official Paedo Discussion Megathread v2

Mental Kenny said:
I just don't believe it's the right of the government to legislate on sexual matters, I don't accept the opinion and mores set out by religious institutions, political bodies are not any more qualified to regulate sexuality. They have no right to do that.
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OK, I agree with you as much as I don't accept the right of "the government" to legislate on anything at all. I do think that actually democratic institutions would have such a right though, and for my own part I would probably be arguing for something a bit more flexible and considerate of the individual than an arbitrary age.
 
Ismene said:
When you were 14 didn't you fantasise about other 14 year olds tho? Does that make you a paedo or is it non-paedo if you're the same age?
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it is non peado for a child to fantasise about a child.
it is peado for an adult to fantasise about a child.
really couldnt be simpler
an adult who fantasises about children is a peadophile, they may not act on thier tendancies but if the thought of sex with a child doesnt turn your stomache then you are a sick individual and society would be better off without you

all this bullshit about teenagers not being children is obviosly written by people who have very little contact with teenagers.

many of the children who are 'biolgically ready' for sex will still have teddy bears, be scared of the dark and have a very innocent outlook....just becasue they have breasts, smoke, and swear on the bus to impress thier peers doesnt make them 'fair game'
 
mahoosive bendah said:
an adult who fantasises about children is a peadophile, they may not act on thier tendancies but if the thought of sex with a child doesnt turn your stomache then you are a sick individual and society would be better off without you
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Couldn't disagree more.
You can't blame people for whatever they may fantasise about, and quite frankly it's none of your business. It becomes a problem when they act on it. An adult who has sex with a 12 year-old is, I agree, absolutely disgusting, but no one deserves to be punished for their thoughts, no matter how gruesome.
I've fantasised about killing someone before, and I don't mean like 'ugh my dad's annoying me, wish he were dead', I mean serious fantasies. So? I never acted on it and I never will. Am I still a murderer?
I'm sure most of us have thoughts we're ashamed of once in a while and thoughts that would probably get us into a lot of trouble were we to bring them into action. So long as we don't, how is that any kind of a problem?
Thoughts have never hurt anyone.

Also if you're putting children and teenagers in the same category, dyou consider a 20 year-old who has sex with a 17 year-old to be a pedophile then?
You're being way too categorical.
 
Pagey said:
Couldn't disagree more.
You can't blame people for whatever they may fantasise about, and quite frankly it's none of your business. It becomes a problem when they act on it. An adult who has sex with a 12 year-old is, I agree, absolutely disgusting, but no one deserves to be punished for their thoughts, no matter how gruesome.
I've fantasised about killing someone before, and I don't mean like 'ugh I just had a fight, wish he were dead', I mean serious fantasies. So? I never acted on it and I never will. Am I still a murderer?
I'm sure most of us have thoughts we're ashamed of once and a while and thoughts that would probably get us into a lot of trouble were we to bring them into action. So long as we don't, how is that any kind of a problem?

Also if you're putting children and teenagers in the same category, dyou consider a 20 year-old who has sex with a 17 year-old to be a pedophile then?
You're being way too categorical.
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do you have a younger sister ?
can you remember when you first went through puberty ?

lets imagine you have a 11 year old sister who develops early....its ok for men to fantasise about fucking her ??

revenge fantasys are an outlet...they probably stop us from killing each other

sexual fantasys are brinkmanship....eventually the fantasy is not enough

thats the difference
 
I have an 8 year-old sister. It's fine for men to fantasise about having sex with her. Of course it would bother me if they do, I think it's disgusting and fucked up, but it's none of my business and I don't have any real kind of problem with it unless they show it or act on it. Thoughts aren't hurting my sister, and quite frankly that's the only thing that matters.

You don't know that at all about the revenge fantasy vs. sexual fantasy. You're clearly assuming I'm talking about something trivial, when I'm not.
Someone could have pedophile thoughts and feel horrible about them. They can be very much aware it's wrong and never do anything about it. So long as they never do anything about them, that's their business and no one else's.
 
Pagey said:
Also if you're putting children and teenagers in the same category, dyou consider a 20 year-old who has sex with a 17 year-old to be a pedophile then?
You're being way too categorical.
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i would say the 20 year old is walking a very thin line and there will be an imbalance of power in that relationship

the difference between a 17yo and 30yo is far bigger than the difference between a 20yo and 23 year old....
 
Oh come on. You're not gonna try to convince me that a 20 year-old who has sex with someone who'll be 18 in a couple months is practically a 'pedophile'...
And so then what, would it be okay for a 30 year-old and a 19 year-old to have sex? Because I'm pretty sure the difference in maturity would be bigger.
 
Pagey said:
I have an 8 year-old sister. It's fine for men to fantasise about having sex with her. Of course it would bother me if they do, I think it's disgusting and fucked up, but it's none of my business and I don't have any real kind of problem with it unless they show it or act on it. Thoughts aren't hurting my sister, and quite frankly that's the only thing that matters.

You don't know that at all about the revenge fantasy vs. sexual fantasy. You're clearly assuming I'm talking about something trivial, when I'm not.
Someone could have pedophile thoughts and feel horrible about them. They can be very much aware it's wrong and never do anything about it. So long as they never do anything about them, that's their business and no one else's.
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i made no assumptions about your revenge fantasy, but it is something we can all relate to

peadophile fantasys about your 8 year old sister are something that a small minority will have. That minority of people could all be wiped off the face of the earth with no loss to anyone....

so what if a male friend told you he thought your sister was hot ?

would you still think it was none of your business ? as long as he doesnt do anything about it
 
mahoosive bendah said:
That minority of people could all be wiped off the face of the earth with no loss to anyone....
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What the fuck? Seriously?
Who are you to judge who deserves to live and who doesn't? Especially when they haven't even done anything wrong?
How bout the thousands (or more, I'm sure) of people who have rape fantasies? I mean for fuck's sake, I've been raped and even I don't think they deserve to die based on their fantasies alone. I think they do if they actually choose to go through with it, but they're perfectly entitled to their sick fantasies so long as they keep them to themselves.

So to answer your hypothetical question about a friend, of course I wouldn't be okay with that, because as I explicitely said, it becomes a problem once these thoughts become more than thoughts in any way, and that includes verbalising them.
 
Pagey said:
Oh come on. You're not gonna try to convince me that a 20 year-old who has sex with someone who'll be 18 in a couple months is practically a 'pedophile'...
And so then what, would it be okay for a 30 year-old and a 19 year-old to have sex? Because I'm pretty sure the difference in maturity would be bigger.
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im not trying to convince you of anything

i said it was a thin line. It would depend on the individuals concerned...and clearly the 19/30 thing is very different...because 19 year olds are different to 16 year olds...
 
I'm talking about someone who's about to turn 18, but who's not legally an adult yet. When I was 17 I can assure you I knew plenty of 19 year-olds who were considerably less mature than me. I also had sex with people over 18. None of which I would consider pedophiles in any way, shape or form.

So how is the 19/30 different than the 17/20?

I get what you're trying to say but the problem is you're being way too categorical. You came out making a very generalising and irrevocable statement and now you just said 'it depends on the individuals concerned', which seems rather contradictory. I also think it's pretty messed up to want to punish people for their thoughts.
1984 much? ;)
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
Don't talk silly.
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just stating my point of view....arwe you saying it would be an equal relationship ?
somebody always 'wears the trousers' in the 17 / 20 set up its nearly always gunna be the 20 year old no?

i know it happens a lot, its just not something id want for my little sister is what im saying

i would be wondering what was wrong with the 20 year old and why he cant pull a girl his own age...IME its usually because they are fucking loosers
 
Pagey said:
So how is the 19/30 different than the 17/20?
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because we learn so much during the late teen years....to put it in druggy terms we can all understand those right ?
its the difference between weed thats almost dry and weed thats been cured...
 
^Lots of 17 year-olds are much more mature than lots of 19 year-olds. There's really no all-encompassing truth in what you're saying.
I'm sure we also learn a lot between 20 and 30, thus making the difference between a 19/30 couple bigger than that between a 17/20 couple. Especially since the 17/20 would most likely be at similar points in their lives, much unlike the 19/30.

We don't all choose our relationships based on the age of the person...a 17 and 20 year-old can perfectly be absolutely wonderful together just because they are. So what, if you want to go out with someone younger than you it's because you can't with someone your age or something?
And before you get mad, obviously I'm talking about staying within the boundaries of the acceptable. Which 17/20 definitely is.
 
mahoosive bendah said:
just stating my point of view....arwe you saying it would be an equal relationship ?
somebody always 'wears the trousers' in the 17 / 20 set up its nearly always gunna be the 20 year old no?

i know it happens a lot, its just not something id want for my little sister is what im saying

i would be wondering what was wrong with the 20 year old and why he cant pull a girl his own age...IME its usually because they are fucking loosers
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Loosers eh?

I think my desire to engage you in meaningful discussion ended right there.
 
Pagey said:
. So what, if you want to go out with someone younger than you it's because you can't with someone your age or something?
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not always

but often

unless youre wealthy and have a trophy wife 10 years younger the chances are if you 30 and youre in a relationship with a 19 year old the chances are its because they are lazy twats whove done nothing with thier lives and womne thier own age have reached a point in thier lives that want someone who can demonstrate some kind of responsibility
 
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