Heroin Thinking of moving on to heroin.

[Gyrospeck]

I suffer from chronic pain in my Abdominal region. I understand what it is like to be in pain everyday. I also understand how amazing opiates can feel for someone in our shoes. I too am in my 20s and unable to get a prescription for pain medication, but I would not consider heroin a solution. Besides the obvious side effects, what happens when you run dry (either from lack of money or lack of source)?

I don't think your stupid. I know how terrible daily pain is. When I was asking my doctor for pain meds, he suggested that I begin exercising and changing my diet instead. I can tell you that these two solutions don't fix the problem, but they help make it more manageable.

I am still seeking a prescription for pain medication, but I'm getting better while waiting. I know that opiates come with a lot of baggage and while I seek them, I also fear them. So should you.

My advice: 1) avoid heroine. 2) continue working with doctors. 3) work out and eat right. 4) Keep yourself distracted and busy. 5) keep smoking that weed

 

[Lycopene]

@ Mr.Scagnatti

My Roxicodone was stolen on the bus once. My PCP accused me of abusing them and asking for more (when I simply reported it to him to inform him) and accused me of drug seeking. I have had nothing since.

@Gyrospeck

I can't work out easily since I'm disabled. My leg is fucked from dystonia. I also have celiac disease, so eating is a pain. I'm mostly vegetarian. Still smoking weed though.

 

[sekio]

As others have said, the best way to do this is to pursue proper medical treatment from a licensed doctor. I've never heard of anyone who's gone onto street heroin and decided it was a good idea in hindsight.

Heroin therapy for pain is little more than a stop-gap measure, a band-aid, and is not a permanent solution.

If you are insistent on doing this, this is how I would go about it.
1. Find some heroin. This is up to you, BL doesn't discuss drug sourcing.
2. Test it with some color change reagents, maybe a TLC plate. verify you actually have heroin, and not some other opioid.
3. If needed, purify it with a technique like this one on erowid.. This is a simple acid/base extraction and will help ensure you have a consistently strong product.

Now you have some fairly pure opiate, store it dry and in a dark place.

For administration you could either consume it orally (treat it like a morphine prodrug) or snort it/plug it as a suppository. Start with very small doses, maybe 2-3 mg, and work upwards until you find an effective dose to control your pain. Take it about every 4-6 hours or as needed.

As soon as you start a course of opioid therapy you will start becoming dependent. Keep this in mind. If you are not treating your underlying cause for pain then you should not bother with this route, as opioid therapy will eventually lose efficacy and you will then have a variety of physical ills as well as withdrawal from opioids to deal with.

 

[Lycopene]

As others have said, the best way to do this is to pursue proper medical treatment from a licensed doctor. I've never heard of anyone who's gone onto street heroin and decided it was a good idea in hindsight.

If you are insistent on doing this, this is how I would go about it.
1. Find some heroin. This is up to you, BL doesn't discuss drug sourcing.
2. Test it with some color change reagents, maybe a TLC plate. verify you actually have heroin, and not some other opioid.
3. If needed, purify it with a technique like this one on erowid.. This is a simple acid/base extraction and will help ensure you have a consistently strong product.

Now you have some fairly pure opiate, store it dry and in a dark place.

For administration you could either consume it orally (treat it like a morphine prodrug) or snort it/plug it as a suppository. Start with very small doses, maybe 2-3 mg, and work upwards until you find an effective dose to control your pain. Take it about every 4-6 hours or as needed.

As soon as you start a course of opioid therapy you will start becoming dependent. Keep this in mind. If you are not treating your underlying cause for pain then you should not bother with this route, as opioid therapy will eventually lose efficacy.

Nobody at all knows what is wrong with me. Exercise, diet, and "live with it" is all the help I get. Plus, my PCP barely likes giving out CODEINE. He is anti-pain medication.

Thank you very much for that "guide" though. I will read all about it before I make a jump. Thanks again.

 

[InHerOwnWrite]

What about a pain mamagememt clinic?

 

[Lycopene]

I can't get into them. I saw one once years ago, but I lost my health insurance and can't anymore.

 

[BlueHues]

Exactly. Not only will you go broke after your tolerance skyrockets, you'll have to contend with the horrible withdrawals as well as your normal pain.. Then your number one priority will be doing whatever it takes to get enough money to chase away the sickness, forget about killing any real pain. This is hands down the worst idea ever.

This is pretty much how you respond to this kind of post every time, and I agree!

If you switch to heroin, your chronic pain will end up being the least of your worries! Don't get me wrong, it's a good pain-killer, but's it's a fucking nightmare of a habit!

 

[Lycopene]

This is pretty much how you respond to this kind of post every time, and I agree!

If you switch to heroin, your chronic pain will end up being the least of your worries! Don't get me wrong, it's a good pain-killer, but's it's a fucking nightmare of a habit!

But what do I do, then? There's no other option... I understand that it's going to fuck me up, but I'd rather be in a horrible place ten years from now than dead ten days from now. At least by then I might be able to get to a point where I can handle the withdrawals or can find a doctor to actually help me.

 

[BlueHues]

Honestly, if you're somebody that has that doesn't have a lot of experience in illicit street-level drug dealing, and you don't have access to at least 100 dollars a day, I wouldn't even bother....

Being on heroin is a huge pain in the ass, even if you omit how dangerous and addictive a drug it is from the equation....

I tried it when I was younger and fell in love....It then took me 5 or so years to actually be able to consistently afford a medium size habit and consistently aqcuire quality product....and even after I was able to get it all the time and afford it....all I was left with was this crazy, uncontrollable habit that completely alienated me from everything innocent and normal in life...

To be on heroin is to devote your life to it.....to give up hope of happiness by any normal means...and even if that's what you really want, you have to really know what you're doing to be able to pull it off!

the only exception to that would be if you were a millionaire and you could afford to buy it at an even higher mark-up than it already costs for the average heroin addict....Money can make anything happen! but for a normal person, even a modest heroin habit costs around $35-50,000 a year! It's a huge commitment for most people! It's almost like devoting your life to some crazy religious order or something!

 

[Lycopene]

Honestly, if you're somebody that has that doesn't have a lot of experience in illicit street-level drug dealing, and you don't have access to at least 100 dollars a day, I wouldn't even bother....

Being on heroin is a huge pain in the ass, even if you omit how dangerous and addictive a drug it is from the equation....

I tried it when I was younger and fell in love....It then took me 5 or so years to actually be able to consistently afford a medium size habit and consistently aqcuire quality product....and even after I was able to get it all the time and afford it....all I was left with was this crazy, uncontrollable habit that completely alienated me from everything innocent and normal in life...

To be on heroin is to devote your life to it.....to give up hope of happiness by any normal means...and even if that's what you really want, you have to really know what you're doing to be able to pull it off!

the only exception to that would be if you were a millionaire and you could afford to buy it at an even higher mark-up than it already costs for the average heroin addict....Money can make anything happen! but for a normal person, even a modest heroin habit costs around $35-50,000 a year! It's a huge commitment for most people! It's almost like devoting your life to some crazy religious order or something!

That's absolutely insane. But what I'm wondering about is, if people can take oxy, prescribed, for years, why can't I do the same with heroin and survive without spending 30k a year on it?

I don't want to get high. I want this pain gone.

 

[BlueHues]

Maybe those numbers are a little high for somebody just starting a heroin habit.....16-20k a year might be more accurate, but still....

theoretically, you could use it the same way as any other pain-killer but it really never happens like that! You're gonna wanna use enough to "feel it", and that amount just keeps getting higher and higher and more expensive!

You have to deal with asshole dealers, wildly fluctuating quantity and quality, the WDs are absolutely horrid! Just trust me, unless you have no family, no aspirations and you only wanna get high for the rest of your probably shortened life-span, heroin is not for you!

If you have insurance and a job and a family, just go through the regular channels and find a doctor who will prescribe you something decent! Shit, even methadon works for some people in your situation, and it's a hell of a lot safer and more affordable than embarking on a "heroin career", which is exactly what it will become! Your fucking career!

 

[DynoSpec]

I agree that you need to get to more doctors. If you have documented issues they will help you. If this is a problem that they havnt diagnosed yet they arent just gonna hand out a bunch of opiates, especially if you ask them for more than they initially give you (this is very stereotypical drug seeking behavior) And if you did lose your bottle of roxis that sucks, but you really need to be careful with that stuff man. Not only did you lose your only source of relief but a kid could find that shit and od. You might have been red flagged. And I would strongly suggest against getting high on pain meds if you are in pain and need them, youre just gonna fuck yourself over, and build unnecessary tolerance. Go to pain management clinics and see specialists and get more tests done.

try to do exercises that focus on the area of pain, dont push it but get the stiffness out. Maybe its nerve pain? try to get some lyrica maybe.

 

[Lycopene]

How do I acquire methadone? Do I just go to a clinic? Don't I need to be a recovering opiate addict, which I'm not? Or simply my PCP?

And as I say over and over, I'm NOT trying to get high. I don't want to "feel" it. I want to feel NOTHING.

Ugh, guys, I'm not trying to get high. I've never really BEEN high, minus the mild high marijuana gives you.

 

[Gyrospeck]

That's absolutely insane. But what I'm wondering about is, if people can take oxy, prescribed, for years, why can't I do the same with heroin and survive without spending 30k a year on it?

I don't want to get high. I want this pain gone.

Doctors + medication are cheaper (even w/o insurance) than street drugs.

The main reason is that the price of legal medication does not scale up with the dose. For example, if your tolerance requires a 100% increase in dose to relieve pain, you can expect to see a 90-100% increase in expense on the black market, but only a 5-20% increase from a pharmacy.

 

[Lycopene]

Doctors will NOT prescribe me medication. It IS diagnosed, but after the loss of that bottle, I can't get anymore. It's so stupid. I haven't been red flagged either, because my psychiatrist checked the registry. I only have medication pick ups from a single pharmacy and never early.


Oh, and I've NEVER asked for more than prescribed, except after the initial prescription that didn't work. It was upped. A while later I lost a single bottle and now this.

 

[laCster]

bad fucking idea man!!! it doesnt matter who you are or what you have been through; male. female, transgendered, black, white, asian, fat, skinny, gay, straight, bi, chrsitian, buddhist, muslim, jewish, ect... you WILL becaome addicted. the frst time, you will be like "idk why people say never to do herron, this shit isnt that addicting." then you wake up a month later under a birdge living in a utility closet IVing dope multiple times a day wondering where the fuck you are, what you have done, and who the fuck you have become. you lost all your friends because you screwed them for drugs, but think of your drug dealer, the dude who would fuck you over in an instant to be your friend.

 

[Lycopene]

Ok. I understand all of the problems involved with heroin. 100% informed.

Now, what other routes are there, or how should I take heroin? Which is the "least dangerous" ROA?

 

[Lycopene]

I agree that you need to get to more doctors. If you have documented issues they will help you. If this is a problem that they havnt diagnosed yet they arent just gonna hand out a bunch of opiates, especially if you ask them for more than they initially give you (this is very stereotypical drug seeking behavior) And if you did lose your bottle of roxis that sucks, but you really need to be careful with that stuff man. Not only did you lose your only source of relief but a kid could find that shit and od. You might have been red flagged. And I would strongly suggest against getting high on pain meds if you are in pain and need them, youre just gonna fuck yourself over, and build unnecessary tolerance. Go to pain management clinics and see specialists and get more tests done.

try to do exercises that focus on the area of pain, dont push it but get the stiffness out. Maybe its nerve pain? try to get some lyrica maybe.

I've tried Lyrica. Didn't work. I do exercises with my arm daily, but they do nothing. They simply cause more pain.

 

[laCster]

Ok. I understand all of the problems involved with heroin. 100% informed.

Now, what other routes are there, or how should I take heroin? Which is the "least dangerous" ROA?

^um what the fuck? did you not just read what i said!! dont fucking try heroin. if you are the only ROA that is worth the time is IV. most people start out smoking or snorting it, but you WILL turn to needles. i've seen it happen many many times. i started snorting it then went to needles in under 3 weeks after my first time every doing herin

 

[BlueHues]

^"getting heroin" is one of the biggest parts of "using heroin", and it sucks....

to go into more depth:

Most heroin user I know usually start in the $20 a day range, which works for awhile, depending on how much of a fiend you are....but MOST people, seem to quickly settle into a 40-50 dollar a day habit pretty quickly, which can easily balloon into 100 very quickly....

you can't always count on the quality being there, so you may have to spend more than you want to at any given time just to attain the effect you're looking for!

I'd definitely try to talk to your doctors and get them to work with you before trying anything else!

If that doesn't work, you COULD try methadone, which sucks! but if you want unrestriced access to as high of a dose as opiates as you think you may need, methadone is the easiest and cheapest way to go!

It works for some pain patients, others find that it doesn't work as well as other opiates....