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At what dose does LSD begin to exhibit more negative side effects?

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phantomcosmonaut

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I know LSD is so popular because you can take so much without any harm. I also know how intense taking large doses can be. I am planning on taking 5 hits of the most incredible blotter from my very trusted dealer. He claims around 150ug. And well, I always try to figure it out on my own, but these hits were so great I didn't argue with that dosage. My point is that I'm taking a large amount and I want to know where negative side effects become more prevalent.
 
It's personally dependent. Also very dependent on set and setting.

If you take a humongous dose of LSD in the comfort of your own home, with nothing to worry about and maybe a single sober sitter, you'll be more likely to enjoy it than taking a huge dose and going out to a really off-the-wall concert or something.
 
I dont even mess around at this level I used to always have a benzo on hand just in case because shit can get wild and even experienced trippers can loose grip. I would say anything passed 5 for an expert and 10 for a Vet might be crossing the line, I highly recommend not taking them all at once, your peak will be mighty uncomfortable.

I wouldn't say at what dose does it exibit negative effects especially when you are using caution, from personal experience I have only had negative effects from prolonged use and using it too many days in a row

However I hope you know your stuff, and you seem to have the want to take down alot which is fine if you are properly prepared. However my disclaimer is 2 hits is a lot for someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

I would definitely do this in a comfortable setting with somebody.

This all being said if you actually have LSD-25 off a clean crystal, sounds like you have a legit dude, if I were dropping 5 I would test it, if it tested clean you are safe to go if you have a sitter.

But oh boy get ready for shit to get intesne, you might take that jokingly, its no joke at this level, know your shit.=)
 
EarthBounded said:
I dont even mess around at this level I used to always have a benzo on hand just in case because shit can get wild and even experienced trippers can loose grip. I would say anything passed 5 for an expert and 10 for a Vet might be crossing the line, I highly recommend not taking them all at once, your peak will be mighty uncomfortable.
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Please don't listen to the above advice. It's really not in the spirit of harm reduction.

There's no such thing as an 'expert' or 'vet' (veteran or vetinarian?) and the dose units quoted are invalid. '10' (I assume the poster is talking about 10 blotter squares), could be anywhere between 200μg and 3mg.

Here's two peices of sensible advice:

1) While LSD has a good physical safety profile (IE, there have been few reported cases of overdose leading to physiological complications), its not safe. Mental wards are full of pepople who have developed psychosis from LSD use.

2) As with any drug, work your way up to higher doses slowly. With LSD this should be done with the same batch as potency can vary massively from batch to batch.
 
Depends what your tolerance is - if you've been taking 500mics every week for a year then 500 mics won't be a big dose. I think tripling your dose may give you an uncomfortable time - not physically dangerous, just too intense to enjoy.

Anon0631 said:
Mental wards are full of pepople who have developed psychosis from LSD use.
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No they arn't. There's no evidence that mental wards contain even a single person who has developed psychosis from LSD use.
 
You never know. Don't take five doses until you've tried four. Don't take four until you've tried three. Et cetera.
 
Anon0631 said:
Please don't listen to the above advice. It's really not in the spirit of harm reduction.

There's no such thing as an 'expert' or 'vet' (veteran or vetinarian?) and the dose units quoted are invalid. '10' (I assume the poster is talking about 10 blotter squares), could be anywhere between 200μg and 3mg.

Here's two peices of sensible advice:

1) While LSD has a good physical safety profile (IE, there have been few reported cases of overdose leading to physiological complications), its not safe. Mental wards are full of pepople who have developed psychosis from LSD use.

2) As with any drug, work your way up to higher doses slowly. With LSD this should be done with the same batch as potency can vary massively from batch to batch.
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This is incredibly poor pointless information, As with nearly every drug on the Planet yes people have been hospitalized, most of the time I would guess they are not people actively asking questions on blue light getting the correct information.

In spirit of harm reduction we must accept if people have the want to try a drug they are most likely going to do it no matter what advice they get. Mise well give them correct FACTS. You cannot be blind to the fact that people dose anywhere from 50mcg to .05g+ on TPs. This is not for everyone and it takes along time to get to this level, I'm just expressing the power and safety aspect here.

200mcg to 3mg? Bullshit this is not a common dose of LSD, 95mcg is standard in my area as well as throughout the USA, blotter, drops or microdots. Now there definitely is a chance the OP scored 150mcg hits.

"its not safe" - dont spread bullshit lies.

set and setting and a sitter is all you need.

Please quit making things up and confusing the OP it sounds like Anon needs to learn a little more considering this is already a RESEARCHED substance that shouldn't be too hard.

Just because dealers market LSD at around 100mcg in general per hit doesn't mean that people don't want to take more and people take more all the time it is about giving them proper information. People eat strait crystal, the dose of this drug varies alot DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE, YOUR SPIRITUAL HUNGER, AND THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE RECEIVED.

There may be people in psych wards but saying they are full of LSD users like it is some epidemic is a bullshit blatant lie, and you just shouldent post at all if your going to post shit like this. LSD has an amazing safety profile and this should be expressed over and over, if people do not know this the likely hood of having a bad trip is amplified.

OP good luck have a safe trip, the only safety issue here would be a test kit so you do not get a deadly dose of Nbome or DOx compounds these are really the only threat. 5 tab dose of these compounds can be deadly
 
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EarthBounded said:
This is incredibly poor pointless information, As with nearly every drug on the Planet yes people have been hospitalized, most of the time I would guess they are not people actively asking questions on blue light getting the correct information.

In spirit of harm reduction we must accept if people have the want to try a drug they are most likely going to do it no matter what advice they get. Mise well give them correct FACTS. You cannot be blind to the fact that people dose anywhere from 50mcg to .05g+ on TPs. This is not for everyone and it takes along time to get to this level, I'm just expressing the power and safety aspect here.

200mcg to 3mg? Bullshit this is not a common dose of LSD, 95mcg is standard in my area as well as throughout the USA, blotter, drops or microdots. Now there definitely is a chance the OP scored 150mcg hits.

"its not safe" - dont spread bullshit lies.

set and setting and a sitter is all you need.

Please quit making things up and confusing the OP it sounds like Anon needs to learn a little more considering this is already a RESEARCHED substance that shouldn't be too hard.

Just because dealers market LSD at around 100mcg in general per hit doesn't mean that people don't want to take more and people take more all the time it is about giving them proper information. People eat strait crystal, the dose of this drug varies alot DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE, YOUR SPIRITUAL HUNGER, AND THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE RECEIVED.

There may be people in psych wards but saying they are full of LSD users like it is some epidemic is a bullshit blatant lie, and you just shouldent post at all if your going to post shit like this. LSD has an amazing safety profile and this should be expressed over and over, if people do not know this the likely hood of having a bad trip is amplified.

OP good luck have a safe trip, the only safety issue here would be a test kit so you do not get a deadly dose of Nbome or DOx compounds these are really the only threat. 5 tab dose of these compounds can be deadly
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While we would all love this to be the perfect medicine that it is, it does have its risks and side effects.

I would agree there are probably a lot of people in mental wards who have developed psychosis from LSD - though I would think this is from either terrifying experiances or repeated dosing and overusing this medicine.

I personally have experianced lasting psychosis from overuse of LSD, and met many others who have as well. Actually, I think it is one of the compounds that can be most detremental on the mental health of the user.

@OP: As the other posters said, be sure what you have is actual LSD before you dose up high - there is a ton of NBOME and DOx analogues going around on blotter, and taking too much can kill you. And always remember, these are tools - not toys!
 
Yes as I said my dealer is very trusted. They're definitely LSD and I've taken 3 before. I would consider myself experienced enough with acid, I have benzos and antipsychotics on hand when I trip for severe emergencies, and I will be with good friends at my house or at a nice park. Also I do not abuse (meaning like daily); once a week at most.
 
LSD is my favorite, but to the OP, your question can't really be answered because of the vastly different effects LSD has on everyone. Every trip is different even off the same batch. I personally love taking just a hit or two. I am a big fan of the "low-dose" LSD experience. You really have to experiment to see what you are comfortable with. I will say that in MY experience, I find that I can "reverse" a bad trip much more easily with L than with mushrooms, but others have reported the opposite! Your mindSET plays a huge role in this, as was previously stated, (set and setting)
 
Anon0631 said:
1) While LSD has a good physical safety profile (IE, there have been few reported cases of overdose leading to physiological complications), its not safe. Mental wards are full of pepople who have developed psychosis from LSD use.
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It's kind of ironic that you've been complaining about people unduly criticizing research chemicals, given that you've been doing some zealous anti-LSD crusading yourself as of late.

1) There's no reliable evidence that I know of which tells us that LSD is any more likely to cause psychotic reactions than other psychedelic drug.

2) So what if there are people in psych wards from LSD? Doesn't really say much about what causal factors were involved besides the LSD, nor does it tell us how likely it is that LSD would precipitate a psychotic state in mentally healthy individuals. It's a much more widely circulated drug than any research chemical, of course it's bound to have more cases like that.

I dunno what you're deal is, but many years of anecdotal evidence tells us that LSD is a remarkably well-tolerated psychedelic that most healthy people react to positively, and the mere alleged presence of people who have taken LSD in psych wards is hardly good evidence to support the claim that LSD is "not safe."

And no, I don't sell LSD, sorry bud. 8)
 
Anon0631 said:
Have you ever worked in a psychiatric ward?
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Worked in one? I'm an inmate at one!

Sorry bud, none of those links provide any evidence whatsoever that LSD has filled mental wards. I'm afraid you are talking out the back of your arse.

One thing to bear in mind is the schizophrenic rates have remained constant or even fallen slightly for the last 100 years. If LSD was causing schizophrenia you would have seen an absolute explosion in "mental wards" from the 60s on.
 
Anon0631 said:
Have you ever worked in a psychiatric ward?

Evidence:
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012...-an-acute-psych-ward-and-recovery-afterwards/
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM196512022732302
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1952-06431-001
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You linked one article written by a random person about being admitted to a psych ward even while NOT on LSD, and the abstracts of two articles from 1956 and 1965, respectively, which say almost nothing. Sorry if I'm not exactly wowed by your evidence.
 
Okay I'm aware of all the points made here. I'm going to be careful guys don't worry about me! And I am sure that I won't have to go to a psych ward because of acid.
Now since that's out of the way can anyone answer my question? There has to be a range of dosage where researchers or users said "okay we need to stop here, this happens around this dose in most people and its bad." Or something similar. You get my point right? Even something like more muscle tension, nausea, gastrointestinal disturbances, or vasoconstriction.
Or is LSD just THAT safe?
 
phantomcosmonaut said:
Okay I'm aware of all the points made here. I'm going to be careful guys don't worry about me! And I am sure that I won't have to go to a psych ward because of acid.
Now since that's out of the way can anyone answer my question? There has to be a range of dosage where researchers or users said "okay we need to stop here, this happens around this dose in most people and its bad." Or something similar. You get my point right? Even something like more muscle tension, nausea, gastrointestinal disturbances, or vasoconstriction.
Or is LSD just THAT safe?
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Your asking an impossible question there is no way to say at 100mcg you will not have side effects and at 1000mcg negative side effects will develop.
Honestly I would say just google what a thumbprint is and you will see how broad this dosage can be...(I am not saying try a tp)

Just be careful and know your substance, this is why alot of people will eat 1 or 2 off a batch before going for 5-10.

I have eaten 10 strips of fluff and been just fine and had life changing breakthroughs that felt like pure magic. However a couple years back I received some tabs that where laid by a very famous group of people. I started with a half a tab to see what I was dealing with and I had very stong visuals, then a week later I dropped 2 and had an awesome experience , about a month later I dropped 3 and lost my shit completely. It was harder than any DMT breakthrough I have ever had and dont even think I could reach that point without ayahuasca now, it was one of the most frightening bad trips I ever had I took a loooong break after that, I just remember pulling rainbows out of my head, it was a very meaningful trip still no matter how bad it was I learned true respect for this substance ( thanks kesey ;) RIP )

Make sure to not have anything else in your system and just some benzos near by when hitting these marks try to refrain from taking them to get the full experience, I would say hide the anti psychotics from yourself they do have physical side effects like tremors that would suck if your having a bad time.

The only thing you have to ask yourself is if it is worth it, if you are doing it for the right reasons, what you want to gain and especially if you have the mental capacity to do so.

If your worried about muscle tension stretch before hand.
LSD is not too nausiating and it does tie in with the experience trip on a light stomach.
gastrointestinal disturbances __ hard to avoid with anything
Vasoconstriciton----> What are other opinions on this? I dont worry about it...

LSD is just that safe if you have real LSD-25, A sober friend, proper set and setting and you are in good health overall.

I think your focusing on the physical side effects too much, I would say worry about preparing your mind with meditation.

Its not a marathon you need to prepare for, just know your facts and settle down your mind if this is the experience you want.

I have seen people lit for 2 days off of five fluff tabs (95mcg) they look like they saw some shit! I wonder what I look like after ten lol!
 
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phantomcosmonaut said:
Now since that's out of the way can anyone answer my question? There has to be a range of dosage where researchers or users said "okay we need to stop here, this happens around this dose in most people and its bad." Or something similar. You get my point right?
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No, there's no such dose like that for LSD.
 
I will say from the sheer amount of people I have met who have taken too much LSD that either underlaying mental illnesses of all sorts of types exist in way more of the population than I would have initially thought or that LSD on its own can cause unstability/delusion.
 
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