Freebase etizolam (why?)

[Halif]

Hi,

I have used etizolam in pill form before - both pharma made product and the amteur pressed vendor version. I was thinking of getting some in powder form, but I noticed that the seller is selling it in freebase form.

I am just wondering why they would do that. Isn't that a very inconvenient form for a benzo?

Freebase means it won't dissolve in water, right? So it'd be hard to make a simple liquid solution with some alcohol... right?

And I thought freebase was good for smoking things... but isn't smoking benzos virtually pointless?

Also, can you just take freebase powder orally? I mean, is it effective this way?

I basically only have experience with hydrochloride substances, so sorry if these are silly questions.

Thanks

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Mostly all benzos come in their freebased form unless stated otherwise.

No, benzodiazepines are very difficult to smoke. It is pointless due to the superior effects of oral administration.

Dose it like you would in the tablets...

 

[Halif]

Thanks!

I didn't know that most benzos came in freebased form.

I had it in my head that freebase wasn't effective for oral consumption.

 

[Toucan]

As stated above most benzo's are not produced in salt-form anyway.

Also, can you just take freebase powder orally? I mean, is it effective this way?

It is, but don't attempt this as you will need to use liquid to measure the dose accurately.

 

[hatrix]

Ordering powder etizolam is incredibly risky. I'm doubtful you own a scale accurate enough to weigh out appropriate dosages. Even if your scale weighs to 1mg, chances are it's +-3mgs or so and that is quite the difference in dosage. I also doubt it even registers anything until around 5mg, as mine doesn't.

Smoking powder benzos is very recommended against, after I did quite a bit of research myself on vaporizing Phenazepam in a light bulb vape. I did end up going through with it, and it seemed to have effects, but I also read that if done incorrectly it basically destroys the Phenazepam and the smoke created is full of nasty carcinogens that could very well do some damage and for all I know give me cancer down the road. So I've only attempted vaporizing Phenazepam twice. There is a super fine line between combustion and actually vaporizing it correctly. Also, even if I vaporize it "correctly" it still could very well degrade to some degree and still have carcinogens in it. What I perceived as correct was it melting slowly into a liquid and never turning dark. The vapor that was produced was minty like. Like you could feel it almost like it was cold, hard to explain. And if done incorrectly, the powder would turn black and dark smoke would come from it, which I never risked inhaling.

I only tried vaporizing my phenazepam because it appeared to be heavily cut and I was out of my usual comedown benzos after taking Adderall. Orally I was taking doses of 15-20mgs without much noticeable effect, possible even placebo. I redosed too. It's definitely a benzo powder, I can just tell by it's consistency and density. But either it has lost potency from age, or is heavily cut. And vaping the cutting agent could be dangerous too. So what I did was dumb.

In short, don't try to smoke benzos, even if you have powder. If you have a pill, that's just a complete no no. Then you introduce even more problems.

 

[RobotRipping]

you can defintely vape etizolam but it seems wasteful and is fiendish. Pure powder isn't risky IMO you just have to be smart about it. If you can't deal with potent chemicals and don't have experience with benzos then i'd stay away but otherwise, it's pretty easy to weigh out 200mg, dissolve into 100ml of PG and have yourself 2mg/ml to dose very accurately with. I think the pills are much more dodgy.

 

[Halif]

Thanks for all the helpful replies.

Just to clarify, I have used benzos (etizolam) in powder form before and had a measuring technique which, while not perfect, was conservative enough to mean that the worst thing that ever happened was I got a slightly weaker dose than I had expected, and that wasn't an issue because I had almost no benzo tolerance at the time.

I have actually tried smoking a bit of the powder before, but as RobotRipping said it was pretty pointless because there wasn't any amazing rush, it didn't last long, and the temptation to do another one was always there. I just did it because I could. I like trying different things just to see what it's like. If something feels like it's gonna lead to an endless chase for a short and pathetic 'high' then I ditch it quick smart. Smoking MDPV and a-PVP were an example of that. Snorting fentanyl was another.

The main confusion for me and the reason for starting this thread was just my ignorance of benzos and believing that they were always in hcl form because it's more efficient for oral consumption. I just thought it was weird when I saw that it was being offered as free base.

I wish that it would dissolve in water, or even in some vodka, because I just like to make small batches of low potency liquid at a time which I use within a short time and then stop completely. Then later (a week or two) make another little batch. I don't mind the preparation because it slows me down.

It's when I have an easy supply, like pill form, or pre-made high concentrate solution that I get into trouble.

OH, and sorry Robotripping, but could you remind me what PG is? I know it's for making stable solutions, but I don't know the full name....

 

[hatrix]

By PG he means Propylene Glycol. It can be used as a solution to readily dissolve any benzo powder, that otherwise won't dissolve in water. It's also easily obtainable and safe to consume, where as using things like isopropyl alcohol can be unsafe if you try to consume an actual solution.

 

[MrPorter]

Is aqueous Etizolam stable for a long time, standard room conditions, out of sun?

 

[Venrak]

Probably has something to do with the freebase being more potent than the salt by weight.

 

[Toucan]

I think most benzodiazepines are not basic enough to form a stable salt. There are a few exceptions though.