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The Shulgin Support Thread (feat. the tax idea)

Laika said:
He brought it to the forefront of culture and was the reason it became popular. But it's been around since 1913.
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Well! Maybe we can say to people "Hey, if it weren't for this guy popularizing it then you wouldn't be doing it!"
 
Didn't he synthesize it without knowing that it existed before though?
 
entheo said:
No, I just posses the ability to think about issues in a way that may be contrary to the concensus opinion. And I don't feel the need to idolize a man. Maybe I come off as an asshole, but it's how I truely feel and this forum allows me to express my opinions dispite what other people may think of them.

Great reply btw.
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Yeah man, you sure do possess a very unique skill there. Too bad 99.9% of the people think the exact same way. The real difference is that you are honest enough to say it out loud without being ashame. Imho, NO MAN should die of cancer because he cannot afford treatment. It is a very sad truth that this does in fact happen every day. I don't need to idolize the man in order to feel compassion. I don't consider him a genius and I don't think he brought on a cultural revolution. Since I have directly profitted off his work in the past though, I've felt compelled to contribute a little to his treatment.

I surely see your logic though: He didn't make any cash while being healthy, didn't think of the future and all. Now he can't afford treatment as a direct consequence of his lack of foresight. So naturally, let him rot in hell and let his wife suffer for his faults as well.
It is an all too familiar attitude which demonstrates lack of respect and compassion. In consequence, I can't really say I have much respect for a clever person who carries such an attitude. I'm that guy who drops his last 2 Euros to a bum who's probably pissed his whole life away, simply because I know that we are all flawed and we all make mistakes. Showing people a little warmth goes a long way and I don't want to live in a society that cannot afford that. My "lol u high" was another way of saying "Please stfu, I doubt anyone wants to hear of your misanthropic world views on here."

kidklmx said:
Didn't he synthesize it without knowing that it existed before though?
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Not sure if it really matters, but he definitely was the one who revealed it's empathogenic qualities to the public which is enough of an accomplishment. :) It was only a matter of time until someone else would've done so, since it is a relatively obvious modification to previously known (endogenous) molecules, but nonetheless: He popularized it. :D
 
thenightwatch said:
nope

according to pihkal, one of his students told him to check it out while he was a professor
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Now that throws a different light on the situation lol! Actually, I'm quite impressed said effects never made it to the public before. It was after all investigated as an appetite suppressant, wasn't it? I mean, I don't think my appetite would be decreased unless I'm actually rolling hard. Even the lab animals must've been cuddling a lot more or something lol.
 
From wiki:

MDMA was first synthesized in 1912 by Merck chemist Anton Köllisch. At the time, Merck was interested in developing substances that stopped abnormal bleeding. Merck wanted to evade an existing patent, held by Bayer, for one such compound: hydrastinine. At the behest of his superiors Walther Beckh and Otto Wolfes, Köllisch developed a preparation of a hydrastinine analogue, methylhydrastinine. MDMA was an intermediate compound in the synthesis of methylhydrastinine, and Merck was not interested in its properties at the time.[127] On 24 December 1912, Merck filed two patent applications that described the synthesis of MDMA[128] and its subsequent conversion to methylhydrastinine.[129]
Merck records indicate that its researchers returned to the compound sporadically. In 1927, Max Oberlin studied the pharmacology of MDMA and observed that its effects on blood sugar and smooth muscles were similar to ephedrine's. Researchers at Merck conducted experiments with MDMA in 1952 and 1959.[127] In 1953 and 1954, the United States Army commissioned a study of toxicity and behavioral effects in animals of injected mescaline and several analogues, including MDMA. The Army experimented with MDMA as an interrogation tool in Project MKUltra.[130] These originally classified investigations were declassified and published in 1973.[131] The first scientific paper on MDMA appeared in 1958 in Yakugaku Zasshi, the Journal of the Pharmaceutical Society of Japan. In this paper, Yutaka Kasuya described the synthesis of MDMA, a part of his research on antispasmodics.[132]
MDMA was being used recreationally in the United States by 1970.[133] In the mid-1970s, Alexander Shulgin, then at University of California, Berkeley, heard from his students about unusual effects of MDMA; among others, the drug had helped one of them to overcome his stutter. Intrigued, Shulgin synthesized MDMA and tried it himself in 1976.[134] Two years later, he and David E. Nichols published the first report on the drug's psychotropic effect in humans. They described "altered state of consciousness with emotional and sensual overtones" that can be compared "to marijuana, and to psilocybin devoid of the hallucinatory component".[135]
Shulgin took to occasionally using MDMA for relaxation, referring to it as "my low-calorie martini", and giving the drug to his friends, researchers, and other people whom he thought could benefit from it. One such person was psychotherapist Leo Zeff, who had been known to use psychedelics in his practice. Zeff was so impressed with the effects of MDMA that he came out of his semi-retirement to proselytize for it. Over the following years, Zeff traveled around the U.S. and occasionally to Europe, training other psychotherapists in the use of MDMA.[134][136][137] Among underground psychotherapists, MDMA developed a reputation for enhancing communication during clinical sessions, reducing patients' psychological defenses, and increasing capacity for therapeutic introspection.[138]
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Interesting course for the chemical, to say the least.
 
crOOk said:
Yeah man, you sure do possess a very unique skill there. Too bad 99.9% of the people think the exact same way. The real difference is that you are honest enough to say it out loud without being ashame. Imho, NO MAN should die of cancer because he cannot afford treatment. It is a very sad truth that this does in fact happen every day. I don't need to idolize the man in order to feel compassion. I don't consider him a genius and I don't think he brought on a cultural revolution. Since I have directly profitted off his work in the past though, I've felt compelled to contribute a little to his treatment.
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This. If he hadn't lived in the US of A but somewhere in Western Europe instead, he wouldn't have had this problem. I don't think it's a matter of idolizing either, but more a matter of empathy, which is hard not to feel for people who have indirectly contributed greatly to my understanding my own consciousness. That's it.
 
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