Xanax pre Oxy or Oxy pre Xanax?

[toobent]

Title pretty much sums it up.

For recreational purposes, have your experiences concluded that dosing Oxy before Xanax results in a better "high"? If so, how long between administration of both meds?

Or have you found that dosing Xanax prior to Oxy achieves the better high? If so, how long between administration of both meds?

Alternatively, do you just find that dosing all altogether results in the best effect?

To gather some anecdotal reports, how much do you reduce the dose of either meds when combining?

Example:

Oxy usual dose = 40mg (nice nod, good euphoria, no pass out phase, but great nod and euphoric response)
Xanax usual dose = 10mg (decent sedation, slight euphoria (in a benzo sense), great muscle relaxant properties, extreme anxioloytic effects - carefree to the max despite unbearable life stressors)

Good formula when combining:

Oxy = 20-30mg
Xanax = 6-8mg

or

Oxy = 30-40mg
Xanax = 4-6mg

Keep in mind this is for a healthy adult male specimen with above average physical health through extensive training, and excellent dietary habits.

Let the replies roll...

 

[Venrak]

Oxy: 20mg

Alprazolam: 4mg

Dose the oxycodone first, and when it starts to come on, take the xanax sublingually.

You'll want to hover around half of your normal dose of each, no more.

 

[toobent]

Thanks for your prompt response, Venrak. You're always willing to help.

Unfortunately, I'd already dosed 8mg Xanax orally ~2 hours ago. About 1 hour after Xanax dose I dosed 20mg Oxy. Another hour has passed and I still feel surprisingly awake and alert - no nod, slight euphoria. Getting a bit hungry actually because I've been delaying the eating till I'm satisfied with my dose.

Just about to dose another 20mg Oxy oral, any strong opposition to this decision? Or would I be better off with another 2-6mg Xanax? (I'm craving the Oxy nod though)

Please respond ASAP as the glass is in my hand.

 

[Venrak]

I think you should wait another half hour at least, and dose in 10mg increments after that, allowing for each dose to take effect. Oxy onset has been weird for me and it has taken up to 1h45 to start working on an empty stomach.

EDIT: Just got your PM. If you really need to eat now, and i understand if you do, protein synthesis and all, consider plugging your dose. Scale it down by 10-20% though, to be safe.

 

[toobent]

Thanks, V. You're an awesome fellow, well deserving of Moderator privileges.

Unfortunately, I did not wait for your response and downed the crushed and dissolved 20mg ER Oxy with some warm water and coconut oil.

But I'm surprisingly alert, I cannot emphasize this enough. I am eager to chat, starving as I just finished training hard ~3 hours ago. And am mitigating this second 20mg Oxy dose by eating a banana just prior to downing the glass, and eating a solid meal immediately after downing the glass.

I am slightly concerned, but will be using apps on my phone to monitor HR and Respiratory rate if my subjective indicators (noddiness, alertness, breathing, etc) create cause for concern.

Also, if you plan to be on here for another ~1 hour I would like to remain in infrequent correspondence with you, if you would so graciously comply with this?

I think my individual Xanax tolerance is more like 5-6 bars (10-12mg) on an empty stomach, and my Oxy probably closer to 50mg now though too. So I actually consider this combination, especially considering the time elapsed since first Xanax dose to last Oxy dose (2 hours), to be moderate and cautious.

Thank you so much for your sincere concern and help, V.

You're a true BL positive contributor with a desire to help others.

 

[Venrak]

^ Think you will be fine considering your state at the moment, but sure, I'll stick around.

It definitely was a cautious dose, but ya never know.

Oh, and those heartrate apps are fucking awesome, aren't they? Blew my mind when I first saw it.

 

[HighonLife]

personally for the nod n what not

its nice to take the benzo first then when the oxy hits you its n instant noddy euphoric sedated feeling

but in the interest of HR i think one should dose the oxy first, wait a bit, guage your reaction to your dose n then decide if you want to take any xanax at all, a little bit or a good bit

 

[toobent]

^ Think you will be fine considering your state at the moment, but sure, I'll stick around.

It definitely was a cautious dose, but ya never know.

Oh, and those heartrate apps are fucking awesome, aren't they? Blew my mind when I first saw it.

They are! And reasonably accurate, at least accurate enough anyway. Search for a respiratory monitor, there is also one of them available! That one really blew my mind. And using the two together give a great indication of the state of your ANS, which is our concern with recreational use of medication.

Thanks again, V. If there was a rep system or something on this forum I'd be + repping you all day.

The results I dislike after these experimental, recreational combination episodes is when I realize I was too cautious through either too much time elapsed between doses or too small dosing, but I know it's better being safe than sorry. I really just want to be able to find, with assurance, the ideal combined dose (e.g. 30mg Oxy + 6mg Xanax dosed simultaneously on empty stomach = Euphoric, muscular sedated, heavy nodding bliss!) And running through prescribed meds can make life difficult till next script is filled.

*Feeling minor commencement of the nod
Still starving though, I'm eating a lot of food right now!

personally for the nod n what not

its nice to take the benzo first then when the oxy hits you its n instant noddy euphoric sedated feeling

but in the interest of HR i think one should dose the oxy first, wait a bit, guage your reaction to your dose n then decide if you want to take any xanax at all, a little bit or a good bit

I figure due to the quick onset of both, actually the onset time is almost identical, same as peak concentration. That dosing both simultaneously would result in the best recreational effect. But determining accurate doses of both substances is crucial in simultaneous administration.

 

[Venrak]

^Well you were testing the waters today, man.

My first dose of any drug/combination now is usually underwhelming because it sucks to take too much of anything. Though the line where it's too much is a good data point, it is often dangerous to try and identify, and it changes all the time, so you best use the other end of the spectrum as your reference.

 

[toobent]

I understand your position, and it is the correct one to take considering harm reduction.

When I think of some of the things I did as a youngster and got away with; to still be here today, I wonder why I am so "pussy" about doses and combinations of prescribed meds!

I'm feeling a slight nod now, something well appreciated.

I want to go to sleep soon as I need to get up in 5.5 hours, but do not feel as though I will fall asleep easily once hitting the bed. What do you suggest to facilitate falling asleep quickly? Another small (2-4mg) Xanax dose? Another small Oxy dose (10-20mg), or I even have Diazepam and Temazepam on hand? Your advice is highly valued and I can't thank you enough for your contributions, not just in this thread, but many others you've helped me in.

By the way, about to perform HR and Respiratory rate, will post results.

HR = 90 bpm (Normal resting rate for me)
Respiratory Rate = 11 times/minute (3/5 stars - Not Good) | Breathing Even Level 34% (1/5 stars - Bad)

Overall mildly ANS depressed, obviously parasympathetic dominant, i.e. relaxed.

 

[Venrak]

I think it would further decrease the quality of your sleep if you take more benzodiazepines. Perhaps try an antihistamine instead.

Your respiration rate is too low, do not take any more CNS depressants.

 

[toobent]

To be fair 11/minute is only 3 beneath the normal range. I might take another test.

But you recommend promethazine instead of another benzo, and definitely no more Oxy?

 

[Venrak]

To be fair 11/minute is only 3 beneath the normal range. I might take another test.

But you recommend promethazine instead of another benzo, and definitely no more Oxy?

On second thought it might not even be a good idea to take that with the oxy not totally out of your system.

 

[toobent]

So don't even take the promethazine?!

Darn it. I'm so not even tired, let alone euphorically sedated.

Gonna make a cup of chamomile tea. I really need to go to sleep, have to get up in 5 hours now, and I had a gruelling training session tonight so good sleep is vital for recovery.

 

[toobent]

This respiration reslult:

BPM = 12 (3/5 stars - not good) Improvement though
Breathing Even Level = 55% (1/5 stars - bad) Improvement though

Darn it!

I just want to sleep.

Time to insist my Psychiatrist to prescribe me a proper sleeping aid for my pathological insomnia. Need Stilnox or something.

 

[Venrak]

The chamomile is a good idea. It contains chemicals that behave in a similar fashion to benzodiazepines, and can be used liberally. I would steep two bags at a time for good effect. 3-5 minutes is good, but I leave the bags in and sometimes suck on them. I like the taste.

Your BPM isn't bad really. It depends what your normal breathing rate is, but you're on the low end of the spectrum.

 

[toobent]

Good points. I've never measured my respiratory rate when not under the influence. Will do tomorrow. My HR is fine. I record that daily and it's at a good resting (parasympathetic dominant) rate.

I'm going to do the tea. But in terms of further medication administration to effect a quick sleep onset and quality sleep, what's the order?

1. 4mg Xanax
2. 20mg Oxy
3. 20mg Temazepam
4. 10mg Diazepam
5. 25mg promethazine
6. none of the above

I'm leaning toward 4mg Xanax, but apparently Temazepam has better sleep-inducing effects. But then it's just an additional benzo thrown in to an otherwise innocuous (and disappointing) Xanax + Oxycodone combo.

 

[Venrak]

Go for 25mg promethazine. Xanax would be pushing it a bit, but not entirely reckless considering the time that has elapsed and your tolerance. More oxycodone, I couldn't recommend, diazepam has too long of a half life and it might screw your sleep up. I hear Temazepam interferes less with REM phases than other benzodiazepines, but I would still stick to the antihistamine.

 

[toobent]

Respiratory Rate:
14 breaths per minute (Good 4/5 stars)
49% breathing even level (Bad 1/5 stars)

Suffice to say, I'm not significantly ANS depressed by any measure.

Go for 25mg promethazine. Xanax would be pushing it a bit, but not entirely reckless considering the time that has elapsed and your tolerance. More oxycodone, I couldn't recommend.

Thanks, V. That's where I'm sort of leaning too. I mean 4mg Xanax at my tolerance probably won't result in anything anyway. Oxy isn't exactly a sedative, sometimes I find its euphoric effects stimulating. And I don't want to wishfully throw a new benzo into the mix by dosing Temazepam (though this might be the most effective at achieving my desired goal: SLEEP!) which I've never taken before.

Promethazine with a nice cup of double steeped chamomile tea it is!

Thanks again, V. You're a good man.

 

[pally pete]

Good points. I've never measured my respiratory rate when not under the influence. Will do tomorrow. My HR is fine. I record that daily and it's at a good resting (parasympathetic dominant) rate.

I'm going to do the tea. But in terms of further medication administration to effect a quick sleep onset and quality sleep, what's the order?

1. 4mg Xanax
2. 20mg Oxy
3. 20mg Temazepam
4. 10mg Diazepam
5. 25mg promethazine
6. none of the above

I'm leaning toward 4mg Xanax, but apparently Temazepam has better sleep-inducing effects. But then it's just an additional benzo thrown in to an otherwise innocuous (and disappointing) Xanax + Oxycodone combo.

Go for 25mg promethazine. Xanax would be pushing it a bit, but not entirely reckless considering the time that has elapsed and your tolerance. More oxycodone, I couldn't recommend, diazepam has too long of a half life and it might screw your sleep up. I hear Temazepam interferes less with REM phases than other benzodiazepines, but I would still stick to the antihistamine.

People and there antihistamines for sleep!

I've always found them completely useless.