15th Issue Heroin Discussion v. Be the Death of Me

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yeah my uncle is in jail and my great aunt is refusing to get him out this time..so shes payin me to stay out here and take care of her, the dogs, and the house..finally got internet in this hick family house
 
Just to clarify, I live in CA and we just have BTH.
Which is why it's kind of amusing when people claim they have super fire dope and they were fucked up on some tiny amount.
I have good hooks and some of the best stuff makes me nod out but I've just never found dope that's knocked me on my ass.
But like I said, I think it's just tolerance. I can never even tell I'm on methadone, even before I started tapering and they upped my dose really quickly.
 
rhun said:
Just to clarify, I live in CA and we just have BTH.
Which is why it's kind of amusing when people claim they have super fire dope and they were fucked up on some tiny amount.
I have good hooks and some of the best stuff makes me nod out but I've just never found dope that's knocked me on my ass.
But like I said, I think it's just tolerance. I can never even tell I'm on methadone, even before I started tapering and they upped my dose really quickly.
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What dose are you on?
 
^ Highest I was on was between 90-100mg. I was at 80mg and feeling nada and the plan was to get me to 100 but half way through upping my dose I just realized that I could up and up my dose chasing a feeling or I could just suck it up and make tapering a lot easier on myself.. so had my counselor stop it. My dad has been on methadone for 6 years and is on around 257mg (or some random number like that) and is now having to start a 3 year taper. Anyway, I've since tapered down to just under 50mgs. I'm tapering 1mg every 4 days.

Edit: Sorry for the lack of specific doses, I tend to purposely not ask what I'm at or think about it.. Tapering seems to be easier when I lose myself in work and other activities and don't think about the damn methadone.
 
thats why i dont like methadone and dont consider it actualky getting clean..sure youre not using dpe but the 'done is still getting ylu high at least at first and then then its years process getting off that shit and its often harder then dope. thats why i like subs and thats why people who have used 'done, do not like subs. cause it takes that suckness awa but it does nothing for the craving really so you have to be mentally strong . like to get high i need to sniff like .4-.5 of raw but i know that if mponey is low and i cant get to the bank or whatnot, im perfectly ok with swiching my mind up and taking my half gram and making it stretch over 3days, even though when i bought it i planned on snorting it all that night and getting high and just leaving a little extra like i always do.

does anyone else do that? no matter how much or how little dope i buy and plan to use, i will always take out a little and save it for the next day. even if i dont get high on what i used, i wont bust into the leftover cause i already k now its not gonna be enough to push me over the edge and get high, its just enough to take the sick away when needed..

but i always leave a little off to the side for future use, does anyone else do this? or are you using it all then and you worry about tomorrow, tomorrow? thats why i started smoking the little bit i do cause i can take .2-.3 of raw and make it last 2fulldays by smoing but if i snorted that shit its 3-5lines that i ixmyself wioth dorm or i could buy 2-3bags that my guy calls shake..and well in those 3bags there might be .2 of raw in that if ypour lucky.. and i can make them last cause i can get a few lines out of each bag, but 90% of what your snorting is dorm.

thats why i like to smoke when i have just that little bit left cause i can make it last and then after you do that a few times and you use the same straw, the residue builds up inside foil straw and you can smoke that and ive seen people nod off just smoking the residue. but the foil straws are the best rainy day thing, cause i can take 2 rips off the residue and feel normal. i have like 4 foil straw saved right now actually. its kinda like how when was always getting caps , i would leeave a little in each cap and save them, so when a day came when i had no money or no car or whatever, i could grab the empty caps and get a few decent lines to get the sick off, hell it would get me high back when i first started and that was the real reason why i started saving them. thats kinda like what the foil straws do. and before you smoke that straws you make another one, so when your done with the foils, you can smoke the residue from the new straw..kinda like a second generation blunt, well by that time it would be a 3rd generation lol

yall know what a 2nd generation bliunt is righ?t or is that something me and my friends made up or thought we made up?
 
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Nodding that hard to the point you're falling unconscious is never a good thing. Usually, if you're at that point, you're not far off from OD'ing. The line is very thin between super high and nodding hard, and respiratory depression.
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The strange thing is that each time I've been woken up, I've remained completely conscious afterward. Still high, but not nodding in any way, as though all my nod got put into that so-called nap.
 
chinky said:
thats why i dont like methadone and dont consider it actualky getting clean..sure youre not using dpe but the 'done is still getting ylu high at least at first and then then its years process getting off that shit and its often harder then dope. thats why i like subs and thats why people who have used 'done, do not like subs. cause it takes that suckness awa but it does nothing for the craving really so you have to be mentally strong . like to get high i need to sniff like .4-.5 of raw but i know that if mponey is low and i cant get to the bank or whatnot, im perfectly ok with swiching my mind up and taking my half gram and making it stretch over 3days, even though when i bought it i planned on snorting it all that night and getting high and just leaving a little extra like i always do.

does anyone else do that? no matter how much or how little dope i buy and plan to use, i will always take out a little and save it for the next day. even if i dont get high on what i used, i wont bust into the leftover cause i already k now its not gonna be enough to push me over the edge and get high, its just enough to take the sick away when needed..
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I know people that have done really well with bupe. And I've even heard it being used off label to treat depression.
But it's not for everyone, and I don't think it's effective for people with really big habits.

TBH, nothing you said in your first paragraph applied to my experience with methadone at all. There's a lot of stigma and stereotypes surrounding methadone that aren't true in all cases. I was on methadone for 3 months before I started my taper and I should be off in 6 months at the very longest, though I'm trying to decrease my dose as much as I can without being too uncomfortable. The first day I did methadone I was not "high" per say, just felt warm and comfy. But this was after being in WD all day because they tell you not to use for 12 hours before coming in and the paperwork takes 2 hours. After that first day, I've never felt any effects since. Some people get high in the beginning if they have a lower tolerance, but no matter what eventually at some point everyone stops feeling it. Except those who chase the high up to 300+mgs. I had cravings on methadone as well but somehow found the urge resist 8)

You have to go to the methadone clinic daily for months till you get your first take home. If you miss days, you don't get take homes. This gives them enough time to get you on a high enough dose so that it blocks all other opiates. So methadone patients cannot use other drugs. Bupe doesn't have these restrictions so users can stop taking their meds long enough to get high in some cases. Both bupe and methadone can be life saving treatments, I'm not trying to make a case for one or the other. But to say you're not clean while on methadone but you are on bupe is ridiculous.

I've also worked two jobs for most of my life. And while I will be the first to tell you that I'm dependent on opiates and definitely could not just stop using, I can definitely control myself. When I was shooting dope and needed my supply to last 3 days, I did. Some people can't control themselves and can't keep down a job while using but others can. Neither of us are unique in that sense.. just not sure what you're asking there. Please clarify.
 
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Bob Loblaw said:
The strange thing is that each time I've been woken up, I've remained completely conscious afterward. Still high, but not nodding in any way, as though all my nod got put into that so-called nap.
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IMO once you hit the nod your brain pretty much goes into auto pilot. If you are too high your brain misses the switch for auto pilot and then you're in trouble.


Any time you nod you are tip toeing the OD line...even ifyou are OK whilst awake you can still nod out and never cone back because your brain doesn't kick the signal to your lungs...hence manual breathing. I'm pretty sure you are pretty much manual breathing Anytime you nod.




It makes me nervous as fuck any time anyone nods around me. I use to get made when people would take memoir of nods but these days I understand why people do that. People can bps out and he blue in a matter of seconds. I have seen it happen.
 
^It bothers me too, if someone is just leaing forward nodding and not coming in and out of it, it freaks me out....because I've seen a lot of times that when you do check on that person, they're already losing color/oxygen and there's been quite a few times that I had to slap someone, shock them with water...or do chest compressions....

and YES, slapping people and flicking cold water on people/putting ice on someones testicles sometimes is the only thing that brings them out of it short of CPR or naloxone.....anyone who wants to refute that, I don't wanna even have that converstation because there's mountains of anecdotal evidence that prove it's true.....

And the argument that you should just give somebody naloxone right away, or throw someone down and do chest compressions first......well....

for one, naloxone isn't available in every situation where you may be IVing heroin.....

for 2, you often can break peoples ribs and cause deep bruising doing chest compressions.....

I always try shocking them with some sort or stimulation first and THEN go into panic mode and start using emergency measures....

sorry if I seem defensive, but I wanted to post this now rather than have to respond later when some genius comes on here and tries to tell me that slapping/splashing water/pinching people doesn't work......It may not work if someone is already over the line, but if somebody is right on the edge, it's sometimes the only thing that works....
 
So I got these viagra bags an everyones tellin me they're fire but I did a whole sub this mornin so I gotta wait till 2moro nite 2 get high an everyone else is gettn high 2nite. I'm pissed.
 
thats why you NEVER take that much sub if you know you might be able to grab somethin later on.....
 
rhun said:
I know people that have done really well with bupe. And I've even heard it being used off label to treat depression.
But it's not for everyone, and I don't think it's effective for people with really big habits.

TBH, nothing you said in your first paragraph applied to my experience with methadone at all. There's a lot of stigma and stereotypes surrounding methadone that aren't true in all cases. I was on methadone for 3 months before I started my taper and I should be off in 6 months at the very longest, though I'm trying to decrease my dose as much as I can without being too uncomfortable. The first day I did methadone I was not "high" per say, just felt warm and comfy. But this was after being in WD all day because they tell you not to use for 12 hours before coming in and the paperwork takes 2 hours. After that first day, I've never felt any effects since. Some people get high in the beginning if they have a lower tolerance, but no matter what eventually at some point everyone stops feeling it. Except those who chase the high up to 300+mgs. I had cravings on methadone as well but somehow found the urge resist 8)

You have to go to the methadone clinic daily for months till you get your first take home. If you miss days, you don't get take homes. This gives them enough time to get you on a high enough dose so that it blocks all other opiates. So methadone patients cannot use other drugs. Bupe doesn't have these restrictions so users can stop taking their meds long enough to get high in some cases. Both bupe and methadone can be life saving treatments, I'm not trying to make a case for one or the other. But to say you're not clean while on methadone but you are on bupe is ridiculous.

I've also worked two jobs for most of my life. And while I will be the first to tell you that I'm dependent on opiates and definitely could not just stop using, I can definitely control myself. When I was shooting dope and needed my supply to last 3 days, I did. Some people can't control themselves and can't keep down a job while using but others can. Neither of us are unique in that sense.. just not sure what you're asking there. Please clarify.
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and see from my experiance everythjing you just said has been the opposite. i know a few people who have done the 'done treatmeant and the subs treatment and the people doing 'done are far more less successful in their attempt at getting clean. the people who do 'done seem to pick it bc you get that high from it and dont say you dont get high vause ive known people who havr crashed cars into cop cars on the way home from the clinic

your point about going everyday so ypou dont get high is partly true but that uis also the problem bc when you do miss that day, you are sick as fuck and end up buying a bag of dope. no you most likely wont get high but you will get rid of them w/ds. the people taking the subs were more successful bc they had the script sitting next to their bed and they take it at before they go to bed if possible or right when they wake up and never have the chance to miss that dose bc they see the doctor and get a refill before the script is empty.

you mentioned it has been talked about it being an offlabel use for depression and i will totally 100% agree with that. ive talked about it here before that when i take subs, i feel my wellbeing lifted. i feel like thats how i would feel if i never took opiates in the first place. thats also another reason why i believe in subs. and has anyone ever noticved but ive known a few people who have got fat from methadone and im talking bigger then they were before they started using, fat.

and also weed is important while trying to get clean from dope, and not coming on bluelight. weed is key cause it help makes you take your mind off of it. maybe thats why you are addicted to opiates, to make you forget and not care but weed is so very much important
 
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BlueHues said:
^It bothers me too, if someone is just leaing forward nodding and not coming in and out of it, it freaks me out....because I've seen a lot of times that when you do check on that person, they're already losing color/oxygen and there's been quite a few times that I had to slap someone, shock them with water...or do chest compressions....

and YES, slapping people and flicking cold water on people/putting ice on someones testicles sometimes is the only thing that brings them out of it short of CPR or naloxone.....anyone who wants to refute that, I don't wanna even have that converstation because there's mountains of anecdotal evidence that prove it's true.....

And the argument that you should just give somebody naloxone right away, or throw someone down and do chest compressions first......well....

for one, naloxone isn't available in every situation where you may be IVing heroin.....

for 2, you often can break peoples ribs and cause deep bruising doing chest compressions.....

I always try shocking them with some sort or stimulation first and THEN go into panic mode and start using emergency measures....

sorry if I seem defensive, but I wanted to post this now rather than have to respond later when some genius comes on here and tries to tell me that slapping/splashing water/pinching people doesn't work......It may not work if someone is already over the line, but if somebody is right on the edge, it's sometimes the only thing that works....
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I don't want to debate this either, but since this is a harm reduction forum I have to say that you can't rely on these methods to work if someone is overdosing, so you have to call 911 and administer narcan if you have access to it while waiting.

XThexXTank said:
So I got these viagra bags an everyones tellin me they're fire but I did a whole sub this mornin so I gotta wait till 2moro nite 2 get high an everyone else is gettn high 2nite. I'm pissed.
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Haha @ the Viagra stamp. I remember someone rating a "dope dick" stamp back when we still had the stamp rating thread. Here is a post with the stamp pic. A bag of each should keep you balanced. ;)
 
theress been only 3 really bad situations where i had to slap them to keep them awake. one was a kid who was a friend of my neighbors and he brought up how he used to do it and so i gave him a cap and he snorted his own little amount and dude was damn near instantly out, no im talking like with 5min. and i kinda was like what the fuck, this motherfucker is not gonna do this right here in my backyard and then i heard him snoring and so we let him be as long as we cpould hear him snoring. turns out he was drunk as fuck at the time and just passed out but it was so quick and drastic.

the other was a time with a fellow BLer and we went and copped my peoples shit and went back to his apt to get high and smoke weed and for some reason thjis kid kept wanting to go hide off in the bathroom and nod off on the toilet, that time i think he was more or less just high but i was just like what the fuck who goes and hides to get high? dude literally sat in the bathroom for 45min and it was only about 20mins when i was like yo what the fuck is this kid doing? then you get no answer and you say their name and no ansawer so you knock and then check their bedroom thinkin he was in that then i went back to the bathroom and tried to open it and it was locked and by now im thinkin this kid is dead. and then i knocked and called is name loud enough and he woke and responded. and then i was like ok cool and then i left cause iwasnt tryin to be responsible to the kid.

and the last was my uncle who about a 2 weeks ago when i first got out here. hehad fucked up his shoulder and was in crazy pain and had an MRI appintment. well his drukass missed the appointment and couldnt get in for another week. well in the next few days while im here i see the pain the dude is in and i told him i had some oxy. i figured the dope would help the pain. and well i didnt take efect how drunk he was and the fact he was on a couple MG of xanax. i knew he had no tolerance to opiates, so i only let him take a little bit. and after about 10min he dsaid he felt ok and thought he could take a little more and i told him no and he said "look at what you did, im 50 ive ben takin drugs since before you were born, give me 5hits of acid ill do them right now" and so i gave him a little more and he was just so drunk already the dope just made him super drunk and like he couldnt walk or talk and was dry heaving and he was really fucked up. and i totally regretted it , i knew i should have lied to him but he was in a ton of pain and i thought it might legit help.before that he basically was taking ambian xanax and whisky. i knew he had a week to go til that MRI and after that 1time he asked if i could get anymore ozy and i told him to just wait to get a script from the doctor. if i would have killed my uncle i dont know if i could take that. he caught me before snorting dope and thought it was coke and awas pissed i wasnt sharing and i told him it was oxy and he tried it and got fucked up and liked it..this time he was already too fucked up
 
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^Yeah, and I'm sorry man, but slapping the shit out of someone and walking them around can work sometimes.....I guess I can tell pretty much right away if it's not working and then of course, I'll call 911.....I've never once abandoned someone ODing....

Funny thing is, there's been three times now, I've called 911 and while the police and paramedics were coming, they woke up!

I shouldn't discourage people from calling emergency assistance and that's not my intent at all.....I would hate to hear of someone dying because people were slapping them or whatever and they didn't wake up....so, I'm sorry

there's this movie "Gridlocked" with Tupac shakur and Gary Oldham playing junkies....This girl Ods and goes out at the beginning of the movie and it takes them like an HOUR to get her to the hospital and she somehow lives! It's ridiculous! From the time someone stops breathing, it's really scary! It terrifies me!

So, I guess what I think someone should really do is, from the moment someone is unresponsive, call emergency help, but while you're waiting, keep trying to wake them up, learn basic CPR....mouth to mouth has been found to be mostly ineffectve I think....It's mostly chest compressions that are advised nowadays..

I'm sorry I'm going on here....it's just, so many heroin ODs could be prevented, if only the person there had a little knowledge!

Of course Narcan, but thats not always available....
 
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