Opioids Codeine, less is more?

[Bobbyptsd]

Hi there, first time poster, long time lurker.

I'd just like to preface this by saying that I have searched this on BL, as well as several places before starting this thread, and couldn't find anything definitive. I think it has HR value anyway.

To make a long story short, I used to dabble in opiods(ates) a bit. Nothing too serious, I was always more of a drinker. But I stopped all that.

Recently, I acquired some T3's , and decided to try some of them out(I did the CWE). Keep in mind that I haven't touched anything in 3 years.

Thinking my tolerance couldn't have dropped that much, I decided to start with 210mg. Well, I don't know if I wayyyyy overshot it or what, but it wasn't too pleasant at all. I felt nauseous and had to lay down more than anything else. Couldn't even listen to music, as it was making me dizzy. I use to take higher doses than that, and found it quite euphoric at times. If anything, beforehand I thought I might be aiming too low(which was stupid in retrospect.)

My question is two fold really: Have any of you found that, without getting into ridiculous doses, there is a "less is more" type of effect with codeine? And somewhat tied into that question, is it possible my tolerance just dropped a lot more than what I expected in the past 3 years, which would have lead me into basically a "small" overdose?

I didn't know where to stick this exactly, so I figured OD was a decent place to start, though I'm not sure if it might just be basic.

Thanks,

 

[mmmCHRISx]

Hi there, first time poster, long time lurker.

I'd just like to preface this by saying that I have searched this on BL, as well as several places before starting this thread, and couldn't find anything definitive. I think it has HR value anyway.

To make a long story short, I used to dabble in opiods(ates) a bit. Nothing too serious, I was always more of a drinker. But I stopped all that.

Recently, I acquired some T3's , and decided to try some of them out(I did the CWE). Keep in mind that I haven't touched anything in 3 years.

Thinking my tolerance couldn't have dropped that much, I decided to start with 210mg. Well, I don't know if I wayyyyy overshot it or what, but it wasn't too pleasant at all. I felt nauseous and had to lay down more than anything else. Couldn't even listen to music, as it was making me dizzy. I use to take higher doses than that, and found it quite euphoric at times. If anything, beforehand I thought I might be aiming too low(which was stupid in retrospect.)

My question is two fold really: Have any of you found that, without getting into ridiculous doses, there is a "less is more" type of effect with codeine? And somewhat tied into that question, is it possible my tolerance just dropped a lot more than what I expected in the past 3 years, which would have lead me into basically a "small" overdose?

I didn't know where to stick this exactly, so I figured OD was a decent place to start, though I'm not sure if it might just be basic.

Thanks,

With codeine less definitely is not more. As i'm sure you know codeine metabolites max out at around 400mg for most people, and alot of people take this dose. I would assume your body is just not used to being intoxicated, and you probably took a tad bit too much. I would try 150mg your next experience OR dose around 50mg every 30minutes or so and stop once you feel good. There's no reason you wouldn't feel nauseous not having any opiates for years!

 

[Bobbyptsd]

Thanks Chris, you are right, and of course more codeine is going to=more morphine in your brain(to a certain extent), so I guess the first part of my question was kind of dumb.

The second question I asked is probably the crux of the matter. Obviously I overshot it, as you alluded to. I guess I was just thinking like an addict, worried I wouldn't have enough, when anyone looking at it logically would have said it's way too much(especially at that time).

I am trying 150 mg tonight, seeing if that might be a bit more fun, like it used to.

 

[mmmCHRISx]

Thanks Chris, you are right, and of course more codeine is going to=more morphine in your brain(to a certain extent), so I guess the first part of my question was kind of dumb.

The second question I asked is probably the crux of the matter. Obviously I overshot it, as you alluded to. I guess I was just thinking like an addict, worried I wouldn't have enough, when anyone looking at it logically would have said it's way too much(especially at that time).

I am trying 150 mg tonight, seeing if that might be a bit more fun, like it used to.

I just know when i was using 30-40mg of oxy a day, 240mg was a fine dose to catch a nice upbeat high and some euphoria! so 150 would seem a good place to start

 

[Treefa]

well personally codeine is one of my favorites in doses from 120mg on a good day to 350mg on a bad day. Idk why i like it, but if i had a choice of picking any opiate i wanted it would probably be a lifetime supply of codeine, allowing appx.1 gram a day.

Codeine has never made me sick, but then neither has any opiate besides vicodin(5mg, took about 10, think the tylenol and beer is why i puked.)

I can even combine alcohol with codeine and be fine, but if i mix it with hydrocodone ill probably puke, and i don't drink on stronger shit.

I wish i wish codeine came in pure 50mg tablets like tramadol..THAT WILL BE THE DAY!!!!

 

[Halif]

I am trying 150 mg tonight, seeing if that might be a bit more fun, like it used to.

How did you go with 150mg, Bobby?

In regards to your original post, I'd say like the other posters and your own guess that it was a simple case of having a bit too much after a big break.

I can't explain why because I don't have any really solid understanding of the mechanism of action of opiates, but I have found that codeine seems to have quite a lot of side effects attached to it. My experience has also showed me that, compared to other opiates/opioids, codeine is surprisingly unpredictable in the physiological responses it causes.

For instance, I had been using codeine and other opiates for more than three years before I got my first case of the extremely common 'itch-attack'. I'd used morphine, fentanyl, opium, and tramadol (and of course codeine) numerous times and never experienced that much talked about histamine response. And then one day, out of the blue, I had a modest amount of codeine and got the full works: hot, stinging, itching, red rash around my chest and neck.

I couldn't believe it!

And to make matters stranger still, that didn't happen again for another twelve months or so. Go figure.

TL;DR

Codeine can be a bit unpredictable in its subjective and physiological responses, especially for non-regular users.

 

[Bliindsided]

I love how everyone on this forum is afraid to post without urging they had no other choice. I propose we delete other drugs

 

[Bobbyptsd]

How did you go with 150mg, Bobby?

In regards to your original post, I'd say like the other posters and your own guess that it was a simple case of having a bit too much after a big break.

I can't explain why because I don't have any really solid understanding of the mechanism of action of opiates, but I have found that codeine seems to have quite a lot of side effects attached to it. My experience has also showed me that, compared to other opiates/opioids, codeine is surprisingly unpredictable in the physiological responses it causes.

For instance, I had been using codeine and other opiates for more than three years before I got my first case of the extremely common 'itch-attack'. I'd used morphine, fentanyl, opium, and tramadol (and of course codeine) numerous times and never experienced that much talked about histamine response. And then one day, out of the blue, I had a modest amount of codeine and got the full works: hot, stinging, itching, red rash around my chest and neck.

I couldn't believe it!

And to make matters stranger still, that didn't happen again for another twelve months or so. Go figure.

TL;DR

Codeine can be a bit unpredictable in its subjective and physiological responses, especially for non-regular users.

Thanks for asking

It wasn't as bad, but the magic from my earlier years definitely seems gone forever, unless I ramp up to something stronger(no plans on doing that). I mean I didn't have the nausea this time, but no euphoria at all. I didn't even get the warm sense of well being. It was like I had the sedation, and that's it. No itching either, and that used to be a flag telling me it was working, I actually used to like the itching, crazy as that sounds,lol.

I've noticed that it can be unpredictable over the years as well, even back when I was using it semi-frequently. I think I'll just stick to lowering my benzo use as much as possible and staying off everything else. I sometimes feel like I'm just getting old, and the pursuit of a high just isn't for me anymore. Perhaps a good thing.

 

[Bobbyptsd]

I love how everyone on this forum is afraid to post without urging they had no other choice. I propose we delete other drugs

Not sure what your point is. I had an issue, so I took the opportunity to register and talk about it, having people with knowledge and experience on it has helped me. Everyone has been open and polite.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I fail to see that as a reason for closing OD.

 

[Bliindsided]

Not sure what your point is. I had an issue, so I took the opportunity to register and talk about it, having people with knowledge and experience on it has helped me. Everyone has been open and polite.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I fail to see that as a reason for closing OD.

nothing on you, but every thread it seems there needs to be an explanation or excuse like that you couldnt find another thread of it. im guilty too. it seems that the rule in Other Drugs is, if it exists on google, it doenst belong here.. starting to bother me

 

[RedRum OG]

The only opioid the "less is more" could potentially apply to is buprenorphine

Other than that, it's pretty much "more is more"

Overdoses do not feel pleasant

 

[Bobbyptsd]

nothing on you, but every thread it seems there needs to be an explanation or excuse like that you couldnt find another thread of it. im guilty too. it seems that the rule in Other Drugs is, if it exists on google, it doenst belong here.. starting to bother me

Oh ok yeah I see what you mean now. I have seen threads where people get told to UTFSE or just Google it or something, so I wanted to make sure it was clear I'd already done those things.

I'd agree with you in that it's a discussion forum, if we just assume all the information is out there somewhere, why bother having a forum. I think the mods probably get tired of multiple threads with real simple questions that are easily verifiable.

Like if I'd just asked how much codeine and apap is in a certain medication, or if I'd asked what the basic starting dose of codeine is, I could see that as being easy to find information that doesn't need to be repeated incessantly. But I think my thread(and many others) have more nuance to them.

It can't be easy to moderate a forum like this, when you have wave after wave of people coming in every day asking what their pills are, if it's ok that they took X amount, where they can get drugs, etc. I'd probably get cranky if I were doing that job,lol.


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[bingey]

The only opioid the "less is more" could potentially apply to is buprenorphine

Other than that, it's pretty much "more is more"

Overdoses do not feel pleasant

well codeine has a ceiling dose which has to do with the need for it to be metabolized to morphine also I always found the side effects to increase dramatically when approaching the ceiling
(around 300-400 mg for me) , especially the itching.

 

[adrandell116]

I never get any side effects from codeine, except maybe a slight itch. Try taking a few low doses. 100 - 150 mg to boost your tolerance slightly (this should take 3 - 4 days maximum), then you may be able to recindle a dose with euphoric effects. Although as it is known, no opiate should be taken for a prolonged period unless you are willing to go through a few days of mild withdrawal upon abstinence. A few days can cause these too, but maybe not on one as weak as codeine.

 

[xxxyyy]

even when my body was opioid-naive (codeine was the first opioid i had access to) i found dosages below 200mg rather boring. might be your body is just better at metabolizing the codeine into morphine, the rate for that does vary not inconsiderably from person to person.