Opioids What dosage to jump off kratom

[FlawedByDesign]

To those looking for a remedy to opiate/oid w/d that is non addictive itself I would highly recommend levo-tetrahydropalmatine, a supplement that can be found on the glorious internet. It is the synthetic version of an alkaloid found in the Corydalis yanhusuo species(of the papaver family) which the chinese have been utilizting in this fashion for many years. IME it is extremely effective for combating insomnia as well as RLS and cravings to a lesser extent

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Wow, thanks. Never heard of that before.
I'll have to look into it.

 

[DickTate]

So, how is it going Benjo?

I took my last 1mg ob Bupe this morning and have 500mg AH-7921 to taper down. Good that the transition is on the weekend.
Also made a first appointment for therapy.
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And we are way off topic but I won't get more kratom just because of it :D

 

[laCster]

the lowest i could possibly get. capsules are preferred with tapering because you can measure out how much a 00 or 000 maybe hold, and the capsules add a sort of lag-kick in so they last longer and don't have a hard come down or come up. this method is optimal for tapering from other opioids to kratom to nothing because capsules procure the most therapeutic effect.

i would get the 00 capsules which hold roughly half a gram, and start by taking one less pill or cut out half a gram from my daily dosage.

try to jump off at the lowest dose possible.

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

I got the kratom- 100 grams- and it's vanishing fast. I seem to be taking more kratom to less effect than last time.. not good.
Haven't had an opioid in three days now.
What kind of therapy you going to? I've always been skeptical of it myself.. unless it's NA, then I think it probably does work to an extent, but it's not for me.

LaCster- I probably should buy a capsulizer. It would drive me nuts trying to push kratom into 00's. I used to have one and it worked great.

 

[DickTate]

Hey, so my transition from Bupe to the AH was really smooth. But now I just took the last 75mg and quit my daily course after the break because it wrecks my nerves to be overqualified for that shit...

However, I want to make behavior-therapy (?). Don't know about an european pendant to the narcotics anonymous but I will educate myself on that subject.
I also could try out substitution but that would only make it worse and I don't want to be the playball of those fuckers who regularly deal with the harder IV users and such, since I live a pretty normal life outside of my addiction...

Is your Kratom already gone? Or did you not take any for three days? You know the first three are always the worst. Don't start again (easier said...)

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Cognitive behavoir therapy.. yes, much better than some quasi-cult like NA.
Yes, I wish I never went on methadone myself. I'm just a pill popper and like the opioid state of mind, not the rush. 'Done ruined my tolerance.
"is your kratom already gone?"
No, I meant I haven't had a pill in three days"
I'm sure I've had one or five since then, but it's been 4 or 5 days on kratom alone.. 3 more days worth left.
My willpower is shit. I don't think it's going to work out too good.
So where you at now?

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Oh oh! Dillie friend just called. Took me 1 minute to crack.

 

[DickTate]

So where you at now?

I cracked in and used 2mg of Bupe (sublingually for three days after the last AH-Dose to be able to function during these days -.-).
Today I have an easter family dinner and will only take a little bit of Etiz. Depending on the intensity of the wd, I may be get back to Bupe but I really don't want to. Especially under the circumstances I obtain them....

Damn, just should have quit after the AH and called in sick at school/work. Now I guess I have to expect a much longer and more intense wd...

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

I cracked in and used 2mg of Bupe (sublingually for three days after the last AH-Dose to be able to function during these days -.-).
Today I have an easter family dinner and will only take a little bit of Etiz. Depending on the intensity of the wd, I may be get back to Bupe but I really don't want to. Especially under the circumstances I obtain them....

Damn, just should have quit after the AH and called in sick at school/work. Now I guess I have to expect a much longer and more intense wd...

All this shit sounds so much easier than it is.
I just order 300 grams of kratom and am going to try to just stick to that so I can distance myself from the pills and develop some disipline maybe.
The NMDA antagonist effects of methadone worked so great for that purpose. From what I've read, kratom too has some NMDA antagonistic properties but obviously no where near as strong. Oh well, I feel I'm running out of approaches.. and money. some days I'm spending over 100 bucks on this shit and not even catching a nod. Now that's sad!
Any changes with you?

PS- I'd like to try some bupe! It doesn't seem to have made many inroads in Canada.

 

[adamaddison]

Its not easy to get a distance. Also i think 300mg is more.

 

[DickTate]

All this shit sounds so much easier than it is.
Any changes with you?

Yeah, I tapered down to 0,4mg Bupe...then impulsively switched back to Tilidine for a week which double-sucked because of the short half-life (with Bupe I could take a one day break, maybe with 300mg Gabapentin).
Today I took 0,8mg Bupe and have one 0,4mg left. And a script for Clonidine and or Mirtazapine which I don't want really but if it has to be that way, I can get them because I don't want to rely on Benzos. Maybe at day2 and 3 at most and ride sunday out with only Gabapentin.

I hope the good weather will help and I have to get my ass outside and distract me as well as working out.

€: I think Buprenorphine is a great withdrawl tool and definitely worth a try. The only hook is if you stay on it over a long time the wd's will also be fucking long.

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

Its not easy to get a distance. Also i think 300mg is more.

Sorry, I can't follow what you are saying. 300mgs is more than what? I said 300 GRAMS, btw
I'm trying to train my brain not to expect white powders coming into my nose.

Yeah, I tapered down to 0,4mg Bupe...then impulsively switched back to Tilidine for a week which double-sucked because of the short half-life (with Bupe I could take a one day break, maybe with 300mg Gabapentin).
Today I took 0,8mg Bupe and have one 0,4mg left. And a script for Clonidine and or Mirtazapine which I don't want really but if it has to be that way, I can get them because I don't want to rely on Benzos. Maybe at day2 and 3 at most and ride sunday out with only Gabapentin.

I hope the good weather will help and I have to get my ass outside and distract me as well as working out.

€: I think Buprenorphine is a great withdrawl tool and definitely worth a try. The only hook is if you stay on it over a long time the wd's will also be fucking long.

Man, our respective holes have gotten a lot deeper since page one!
I found a new source for 30mg HMs. A terrible blessing. Kratom comes on Monday. Maybe I can pull some self-discipline out of my hat by then!

 

[DickTate]

Sorry, I can't follow what you are saying. 300mgs is more than what? I said 300 GRAMS, btw
Man, our respective holes have gotten a lot deeper since page one!

Yeah...and I was pretty much off the hook. This time it won't be that easy. I just sniffed the last 0,4mg.
I really want to quit this time but I am also worried about the Benzos which I took about 3 times a week in the last month...
One motivation is the possibility for a date tomorrow evening instead of buzzing around at home when my libido comes back.

I would try to cut off your new source instantly even if it is really hard. Without my new Bupe-Source, I wouldn't have dug my hole deeper.

 

[DickTate]

Update:

Two days without Opis. The first with Etiz and Tetrazepam and the second with 600mg Gabapentin.
The second night I couldn't sleep at all regardless of the Gaba, one 0,5l beer, THC and a lowish dose of Promethazin :/
Today I got my Mirtazapin and another 0,4mg Bupe which has just disappeared in my nostrils...
My doc said it could be better to make the intervalls longer and maybe take one 0,2 after another 2 days.

I am on the right way. Can't imagine what it would be like to wd from a high dose Heroin/Oxy/Hydromorphon habit if it is this difficult with such low doses.

 

[Benjo Diazepine]

We haven't talked in ages! Wow, almost 2 months!. How are you doing now? I'm in the thick of things myself and have given up, at least temporarily. Looks like it's either methadone or I'm forced off in some manner. I'm in too deep and just lack the discipline. I wish that came in a pill! My pessimistic attitude didn't stop me from buying a bag of kratom 'stem and vein'.. it's NMDA antagonism is purported to be useful to lower ones tolerance, so should work well for an attempt at full time non-use, ie. 'quitting'. HAHAHA

 

[DickTate]

Hey Benjo,

Yeah it has been a while...since my first taper I kind of consumed here and there until it became a daily habit again.
Now I am waiting for a Benzo delivery which hopefully comes tomorrow (havent touched any for about 3 weeks) and again I have exactly 0,8mg Bupe left for today...

I got another motivation: I turn 30 in 3 weeks and want to be at least physically clean then. So I hope I will ride it out with a few days of Etiz and Gabapentin.
And yeah discipline in a pill would be pretty awesome^^

 

[surgeries galore]

WHen you both start feeling shity about your usage, think of me as im on 1250MGs of oxy a day! Had over 40 surgeries with two more in the next 3-4 months! Im screwed! My guts dont work for shit, literally, and every thing else is starting to shut down! Withdrawals are INSANE and about day 2 i hurt so bad i take the oxy again with vicodin too!


PHUCK!!!! Im so screwed up! This shit is going to kill me! If i can manage to kick the habit, i have more surgeries coming so ill be right back on it! Ive managed to cut back down to 700MGs a day over the last couple weeks, but im still phucked!

WHen you feel bad or get down on yourself, just think of my phucked up situation! Good luck guys and i hope you kick it for good and i hope ill be around to kick it myself before this chit kills me!

 

[DickTate]

^
Of course our problems are nothing compared to yours but that ain't important.
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Day 2: Started with 2mg Lorazepam. My Etiz haven't arrived yet...
Yesterday I felt absolutely great, being outside and active and could sleep pretty normal.

But today the sneezing and sweating starts. The next nights will be the hardest from experience but I only have driving appointments this week.
I got Imodium, Gabapentin and soon hopefully more Benzos. Only Problem is not to get hooked on these

 

[JJ-180]

@DickTate- I wouldn't advise trying to use AH-7921 to come off anything.It's considerably more addicting than you initially think and, believe me,the withdrawals are horrible and last weeks.