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Does trying dmt before acid/shrooms spoil the shrooms 1st time expierance?

gymstud

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I think the if tge first time you try a drug
You have never been that far out on another drug its more perfound

When I first tried 2cb id never tripped before at all and waa compleatly sent to a differnt world

I've never tripped as hard on it since

I wouldn't want to miss out on a 1st time shrooms expierance by doing dmt first

P.s I do understand it will.be my first time on shrooms irespective
 
DMT is a short lasting tryptamine and mushies are a longer acting pysch. Both have different effects and both are pretty strong, i dont see why using dmt before shrooms would make shrooms less enjoyable but i could be wrong.
 
No he means that the "WOAH WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?"-effect would not be present if you tried DMT before any other psych and he's right in that I think. But that's exactly why I think DMT would be great as a starting drug if someone wants to become a serious psychonaut (so not if you just want to see shiny, sparkly things), as it will take away a lot of first try anxiety some people have when trying a different substance.
 
I see they are very differnt but what I'm reading is dmt is a lot more powerfull expieance

I like to keep trying bigger better things once you've travled throught a black whole a regular trip into space might seem boaring
 
I've noticed a lot of qualitative similarities between mushrooms used with an MAOi (also 4-AcO-DMT with an MAOI) and ayahuasca, but ayahuasca still has the wilder rough and tumble trip. By no means will smoking DMT or drinking ayahuasca "ruin" mushrooms, but if you want to keep working up to more powerful things I'd definitely wait until after mushrooms.
 
IMO i would experience a small dose of mushrooms to see if you like the psy feelings. and then gradually work up from there and try dmt in the right environment of mates, set and setting and the right mindframe.
 
Don't really think it'll ruin the experience at all, especially if you take a high enough dose of mushies. But, still, I would take the mushrooms first personally.

My first experience with mushrooms was phenomenally mind blowing, intense and crazy. Still to date one of the most intense drug experiences I've had, on a par with DMT in various ways.
 
^ If it is your first mushroom experience that would kind of break the unwritten rule of not combining drugs for your first time (especially not 2 drugs both of which you take for your first time).

I do think it matters whether you have extensive experience with psychedelics or not, the above would probably be a more unwise plan than smoking weed on the tail end of a pleasant trip with a new substance if you are a frequent flyer.

Anyway about the topical question: IMO it is best - when possible - to build up your experience with psychedelics more or less based on their general intensity. Right now I am not just talking about what is responsible or about psychological tolerance, but that if you consider each new drug that is more and more intense as 'levels' it seems that you can keep it interesting for much longer.

Spoiling might be too strong a word, but when people talk about diving right in the deep end with the ultra intense ones, I think it is a shame that they increase their chances of taking away their own power to be surprised.
Of course it is in the nature of psychedelia to be surprised by thing for quite a while (although at some point the novelty does get less and less).

The turnside of that may be that you experience more novelty in daily life:
I had this idea this week, based on what Nichols said about the locus coeroleus in the brain regulating signalling of novelties and LSD significantly activating this circuit I wondered if tripping chronically could reinforce neuron pathways in a way that would both slowly desensitize the person to that particular effect of psychedelics as well as increasing LC activity even when sober. Isn't that an effect that is textbook neuro(pharmaco)logy?

Sorry if that derails the thread, but it is fascinating to me.
 
Solipsis unfortunatly I think I agree with you
In that it makrs sence to go through "levels" in a linier fashion

Also are you saying if you trip enought normal real reality will feel alien and trippy

And tbh I tuck the comment above your as a joke
 
Oh right, the wink - I see. Yes sometimes when in serious mode I'm impervious to sarcasm based humor.

About normal reality feeling alien and trippy: that would be a way to put it but most people would not consider it to be the same thing I meant IMO. That would be more of a derealization / depersonalization issue.

What I meant was that the aspect of tripping that makes you more impressed about everyday things could become persistent i.e. it could continue to happen even when sober. By impressed I mean that things are very clearly noticed because they are registered as a novelty - something new - even though they aren't really. I feel like that happened to me and it seems consistent with Nichols' theory. But I am not entirely sure because "low latent inhibition" might factor in, which simplistically said here would be that some people are more prone to be impressed by things they experience than others. They can be or become more sensitive, although that is not always a good thing. It can lead to favorable qualities such as creativity (since you can use all those things you notice to synthesize new ideas - which is probably a reason why plenty of people are so creative on LSD), but also difficulties with regard to functioning professionally, socially or otherwise.
 
Yeah I heard of l.l.i on prison break then I googled
And I understand better what you mean now
Most drug effects can run on into sober-ness my most common is finding normal things hysterically funny
and zoning out I'm ppl are lookgking at me waiting for me to snap out of it but I just kind if get stuck
I probably notice st8 lines more cos they and bending
 
I tried mushrooms a lot of times before trying DMT, but after my first breakthrough on DMT - the mushroom experience was a lot more DMT-like. Allmost like it was DMT, though 45-60 minutes and then mostly back to baseline.
The mushroom trip was in the end of 2c-b though, which could have participated to the effects and I have only taken mushrooms 1 time since in a very low dose with tolerance where it didn't happen(but I didn't even feel the shrooms).

I searched for it then and found out that I'm not the only one with that kind of experience, but far from all experience it though.

Mushrooms and DMT have similarities, hence psilocin is 4-HO-DMT. I doubt DMT will ruin future mushroom trips, but it could help make them more manageable IMO.
 
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