LSD with no visuals! Confused!

[quiker222]

A friend recently encountered twenty tabs of what was supposedly "incredible" blotter acid. Person who sold it to them provided first hand reports of people having life changing trips after taking 1 tab (conversations over the phone with their friends, etc...). This particular friend would be considered a novice to acid, having only taken it about 4 separate times (and only once really tripped with intense visuals and the whole deal). On the blotters themselves you could see little tiny crystals (not entirely sure if this is indicative of clean or dirty / potency?).

In context, my friend took 5 mg diazepam about an hour before the acid to smooth out the trip (no diazepam tolerance). My friend took 1 tab after having been told this was strong stuff (20:30). My friend waited for about an hour and a half for the visuals and "tripping" to begin (22:00), but experienced only the familiar body and head high (with slightly increased intensity of color, barely noticeable, possibly imagined). Within the next 2 hours my friend took 2.5 more tabs, spaced about an hour apart each. No increased effect was noticed (no visuals, simply a continued body and head high). Frustrated, at the 4 hour mark (00:00, from the original first single blotter dose) my friend took 3 tabs at once, hoping that taking this amount would kick start a powerful trip. No such luck, the next 4 hours were spent feeling a more intense head and body high, but no visuals. Eventually my friend gave up, and went to bed. Pupils were GREATLY dilated, and yet no noticeable visuals.

His question is - considering that there have been first hand accounts of this acid being strong and visual, what could have caused this lack of visuals? He has heard that diazepam can be a trip killer, but such a low dosage and other contradicting accounts of it's synergy, as well as a total dosage of 6.5 blotters in a 4.5 hour period makes him doubt it was the diazepam itself. He is curious about the stacking effects of acid - for instance, does spacing out tabs over an hour or more increase the potential for a visual trip? Does taking a 3x larger dose 4.5 hours into the original dose be weakened by the very fact that LSD is already in his system? Should he suspect the quality and potency of the acid itself? If doing these blotters again, should he instead take 3 to 3.5 at once (or more) to guarantee a visual trip (a visual, spiritual trip is the ultimate goal). Any suggestions?

Thanks for your advice!

Anybody have an insight / suggestions? He'd really appreciate it. He's trying his best to safely establish a way to have an intensely visual / spiritual LSD experience.

 

[Sippin_LSD]

Next time take them all at once.

That isn't unheard of though I've also had good LSD and it was more of a body/mind high rather than a visual.

Also next time I would refrain from taking any benzos unless you need to during the trip for any anxiety.

 

[Clocktower]

On the blotters themselves you could see little tiny crystals (not entirely sure if this is indicative of clean or dirty / potency?).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds utterly ridiculous.

In context, my friend took 5 mg diazepam about an hour before the acid

Taking benzos before a trip sounds like a good way to kill the trip, IMHO.

My friend took 1 tab after having been told this was strong stuff (20:30). My friend waited for about an hour and a half for the visuals and "tripping" to begin (22:00), but experienced only the familiar body and head high (with slightly increased intensity of color, barely noticeable, possibly imagined). Within the next 2 hours my friend took 2.5 more tabs, spaced about an hour apart each. No increased effect was noticed (no visuals, simply a continued body and head high). Frustrated, at the 4 hour mark (00:00, from the original first single blotter dose) my friend took 3 tabs at once, hoping that taking this amount would kick start a powerful trip. No such luck, the next 4 hours were spent feeling a more intense head and body high, but no visuals. Eventually my friend gave up, and went to bed. Pupils were GREATLY dilated, and yet no noticeable visuals.

Your body develops a tolerance to LSD within a few hours of taking it. The 5.5 tabs you took more than an hour after the first were wasted, for the most part.

does spacing out tabs over an hour or more increase the potential for a visual trip?

No. See the above on tolerance.

The last thing I'd like to mention is, if you're taking LSD for the sake of visuals alone you might be sending yourself on a wild goose chase. In my experience, the trips on which I wanted and expected visuals were most likely to be disappointing.

 

[PandaGun]

Screwed up the first quote, but about the tabs having tiny powder on them.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds utterly ridiculous.

I have been given doses of things as crystals on tabs. And I was well aware that they were not lsd, they were sold to me as what they were. If the dose is more in the .01 scale of mg's it seems to crystalize quite clearly in and around the tab.
OP, lsd should never be given/taken in crystal, nor visibly crystal form. Unless you really really know what you are doing. So I can deduce it was not lsd. However we are not allowed to ID drugs. So for future reference don't eat the tab if it's 'lsd' and is powder coated.

 

[Sippin_LSD]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds utterly rediculous.

Was also thinking this.

I've had many different doses from many different sources and not even the most potent had crystallization. Even when they contained 600-700ug+.

 

[quiker222]

Yeah, when the tabs are held under a bright light you can barely see a few tiny crystals on some parts of the paper. When sold, he was told this was a sign it was strong stuff. Having tried acid successfully before, he certainly felt the familiar body and head highs of LSD when taking these tabs. Not sure if that is indicative of there actually being LSD on the paper, or possibly a combo of something that made it crystallize?

Thanks for the advice. He had done a fair amount of research on benzo's and LSD combo and found the majority opinion holding that a small benzo dose would damper the intensity of the LSD intensity, but not affect the visuals. Next time he will try without any benzo. He will also try taking 3 or so tabs at once. He needs experience in figuring out the right dosage and method to successfully "trip". Should he possibly seek another source, rather than re-try with the remainder of what he has (7 tabs)?

Thanks again.

 

[pofacedhoe]

if you have to take diazepam to handle lsd then maybe you shouldn't be taking lsd at all

 

[quiker222]

He doesn't have to take diazepam to handle LSD, he thought it'd make an interesting combo to have a trip without any anxiogensis

Also, he was wondering about how strong / effective a trip would be if he tried taking a decent dose (2-2.5 tabs) 2 days after his previous attempt? Is there some remaining tolerance for a few days?

And there has been some debate as to the meaning of small white crystals on LSD blotters. A few of you so far have said it's ridiculous and not LSD if it's crystalline, but my friend has heard otherwise from a number of sources. Is there any consensus on this?

 

[Transform]

Benzos will dull all the effects of a trip, including visuals.

One should never trust the person selling the drugs to properly describe them.

Tolerance after 2 days would still be significant, if it was LSD.

Crystals of LSD will never be visible on blotter.


Since your question is answered (no benzos next time) and your substance likely wasn't LSD I'm going to close this.

If you want to know what you had, you'll need to buy a test kit, which can be bought from organisations like EZtest, Dancesafe and the Bunk Police.

Less common substances will require analytical testing, provided by the likes of ecstasydata, Energy Control and others.

I have removed this post but you are welcome to ask questions about the various testing methods here or in the Pill Testing Q&A forum