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Opioids Opiate tolerance went to astronomical heights after my 1st 3 month run

bdomihizayka

bdomihizayka

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Long story. I have been using opiates for about a year. About 4 times a month until this past November when I started every day use and my switch from pills to heroin.

I was put on benzos for the first time in my life for anxiety in September. 1mg klonopin a day. Never abused or misused. Tried to stop 3.5 weeks into it because it made me depressed and suffered the motherfucking wrath of benzo withdrawal. Intense derealization and restlessness....like I was stuck in a bad acid trip. Promptly went to the hospital, reinstated, and got educated on benzos and their notoriously horrid withdrawal.

Tapered off the klonopin and was off the first week in November.

Was not right in the head, thus masked my ailments with opiate use everyday by the end of November.

Reinstated on 15mg Valium the beggining of December, was still using opiates everyday.


I quit heroin and benzos (down to 5mg Valium) exactly 5 weeks ago. The very last day I did opiates, I took 16 30mg instant release oxycodone pills which didn't come close to even making me feel "right" and most certainly no euphoria at all.

I know people who have been physically addicted to opiates longer than I have with nowheres near the ridiculous tolerance I accumulated within a few months everyday use.


I still don't feel "right" in the head. It feels like I have been put in a slightly different reality...yet I cannot tell you what's different. I have INTENSE head pressure which is literally driving me nuts. I feel like losing control sometimes. It's very scary.

I'm afraid I permanently damaged my brain. I was not using opiates "that" long, but fuck, my tolerance was that of a well seasoned veteran which I cannot explain. So did accumulating that high opiate tolerance permanently fuck up my brain, or is it time on opiates that will damage your brain more? Is this still the benzo withdrawal?
 
Wow, was the #16 30mg oxycodone IR all at once, or spaced throughout the day? Not really here nor there, just curious ...
I've never done heroin except for maybe once or twice years and years ago, so I don't reallt feel it'd be responsible of me to try and answer your question.
Just read your post and wanted to tell you to hang in there :)
I'm sure you'll be getting some intelligent replies soon.
Your'e not alone.
Cat
 
The heights ones tolerance can sore too are pretty incredible. With consistent enough use, the body can handle an astronomical amount of drugs... everyones different so some people will develop a tolerance faster than others, but yeah.. the doses we can handle as our tolerance increases are pretty insane. That's just the way it goes. Tolerance is a very powerful thing
 
Ok. I am a seasoned veteran when it comes to iv heroin and I can tell you that my tolerance is absolutely off the chart. I noticed that the first time I tried the methadone clinic (still shooting dope) my tolerance jumped exponentially and never really went back down. It just gets worse. The only way I can get high is to suffer a few days of being sick before I shoot
 
My tolerance to opiates went up the quickest of any drug i've done. I'm talking after the first TWO OR THREE USES it was already skyrocketing.

On the other hand my tolerance to amphetamines is still low after over two years of use. It's wierd of drugs affect everyone differently.
 
16 30's is insane! but ive been sorta in your boat before i chilled out i was doing 10 K-8's a day and not even getting high it was so fuckin annoying and expansive.. its sad how tolerances go because now i cant take Vicodin because it does nothing and makes me wanna go on a crazy path to get oxy's or H.. so i im stuck in a WD state for days then fuck up and gank a few Vicodin from my mom then right back to square one..
 
If you don't try really hard to keep your tolerance down, it can grow out of control before you know it.

As far as your "different reality"...it sounds like maybe you're suffering some PAWS, or maybe the stress of addiction and withdrawal triggered a latent mental health issue you were masking before. I'd try talking to a counselor or something. I can feel a lot of depersonalization when I'm getting clean sometimes. Mindfulness can be helpful for some people...just focus on the here and now, your body and your senses. Good luck and congrats on getting clean.
 
3 weeks of 1mg klonopin can really cause withdrawals like that?

And 16 Roxies is a big habit, but not astronomical in my opinion. I assume you meant that they were spread throughout the day. If not, then, yea it's pretty wild.
 
Whaat is your question OP? Are you just wondering if ur tolerance grew unusually quick? Do you think that ur tolerance grew so quickly due to other psychological issues like depression, anxiety, etc?

I think most ppl try to limit the rate their tolerance grows, but if you wanted to intentionally grow ur tolerance quickly, it could be done. So if something in ur life was spurring you to use greater and greater amounts of drugs, then I think it is understandable for ur tolerance to grow so quick

Also, IME after a certain level of tolerance with opiates is reached, no dose will bring about euphoria again. I was taking about 1- 1.5 grams of oxy every day, and at that point I wasn't getting high in a euphoric way. And trying to get there by increasing my dose would just make me nod/pass out. At a certain point, opiates just make u feel not sick, and larger doses, no matter how large, just make u sleepy--not euphoric
 
uno22 said:
3 weeks of 1mg klonopin can really cause withdrawals like that?
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Yes, 1 mg of clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) can cause withdrawal symptoms after 3 weeks of daily use. For most individuals, it would take closer to 6-8 weeks for a dependency to develop, but, for some people, dependency can occur much faster.

The OP's tolerance and dependency to opiates/opioids strikes me as being the most problematic issue at this time. Benzodiazepines can successfully be withdrawn from, with the help of a good physician/doctor who is knowledgeable about benzodiazepine dependence. Even though the withdrawal syndrome from benzodiazepines is, medically, more severe than opiate/opioid withdrawal, withdrawing from opiate/opioid drugs is incredibly uncomfortable, painful, and while not "lethal", it most certainly can cause a person to feel as if they are going to die, or cause individuals to "want" to die (e.g. feel suicidal) in order to stop the withdrawal symptoms. I can say from experience that opiate withdrawal is absolutely terrible, horrendous, and emotions that I can't even find the words to describe; it really is THAT bad.

Since the OP hasn't been dependent for a long period of time, I would suggest that they consult either a doctor or an addiction resource centre in their city/area to set up a taper schedule (a doctor/physician would be required in this circumstance) or plan an attempt to detox, either as an inpatient at a facility, or as an outpatient (even though outpatients have a much lower success rate; inpatient treatment is almost always preferable).

I wish you the best of luck and hope that you are able to recover successfully from your problems.

Take good care, and all the best,

Brad
 
Thanks everyone for replying. I really appreciate all the feedback. That was 16 30's all at once believe it or not, and it didn't even make me "well"...... which is ridiculous for such a short, first time run.

Today I had a window.... it's waxing and waning.... feeling decent today though ))))

I was just curious if acquiring this huge tolerance to opiates fucked my brain up? Some people say your brain goes back to normal, but I think that's BS.... why does a former addicts tolerance go up sevenfold from what it did originally if he relapses, if indeed your brain goes back to complete homeostasis? Did I screw myself by getting this tolerance? I am going through a bit of anhedonia, though it's getting better.... Never touching another opiate or especially benzo in my life!!
 
bdomihizayka said:
Thanks everyone for replying. I really appreciate all the feedback. That was 16 30's all at once believe it or not, and it didn't even make me "well"...... which is ridiculous for such a short, first time run.

Today I had a window.... it's waxing and waning.... feeling decent today though ))))

I was just curious if acquiring this huge tolerance to opiates fucked my brain up? Some people say your brain goes back to normal, but I think that's BS.... why does a former addicts tolerance go up sevenfold from what it did originally if he relapses, if indeed your brain goes back to complete homeostasis? Did I screw myself by getting this tolerance? I am going through a bit of anhedonia, though it's getting better.... Never touching another opiate or especially benzo in my life!!
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I'm not knowledgeable about the technicalities of this, but will share this...
My Mother had cancer and a couple of really major surgeries. Obviously, she was receiving really heavy duty drugs intravenously while in the hospital. When released, oxycodone w/APAP worked and then she moved down to hydrocodone w/APAP. Both meds did just fine relieving her pain back then.
A couple of years went by without incident. Recently she started having very severe hip pain. She was prescribed hydrocodone w/APAP an it did nothing for her. The really scary part was when she tried oxycodone again and IT didn't work either!
The only thing that does anything for her pain is Hydromorphone...pretty high doses, too.
Luckily she started taking Cymbalta (sp?) and it has helped her so much that she rarely needs the Dilaudid.
It was very strange though, considering the oxycodone and hydrocodone worked for post surgical pain 2 years ago...then to find these same drugs useless years later.
Her doctors blame it on the large amounts of drugs she received for such long periods of time while in and out of the hospital.
I know that everybody is different, and this was just my mother's experience. I figured I would share, for what it's worth.
Cat
 
bdomihizayka said:
Thanks everyone for replying. I really appreciate all the feedback. That was 16 30's all at once believe it or not, and it didn't even make me "well"...... which is ridiculous for such a short, first time run.

Today I had a window.... it's waxing and waning.... feeling decent today though ))))

I was just curious if acquiring this huge tolerance to opiates fucked my brain up? Some people say your brain goes back to normal, but I think that's BS.... why does a former addicts tolerance go up sevenfold from what it did originally if he relapses, if indeed your brain goes back to complete homeostasis? Did I screw myself by getting this tolerance? I am going through a bit of anhedonia, though it's getting better.... Never touching another opiate or especially benzo in my life!!
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Your tolerance will go down after long enough time abstaining from opiates. It'll probably never get back to square one, but it will definitely go down significantly.
 
OP, it seems like you have a fast metabolism and maybe your body adjust to drugs a little faster than the average person. It's not unheard of, but three and a half weeks to gain a full on physical dependence to benzos is pretty fast. The funny thing about tolerance with opiates and benzos is it goes up much faster and at a higher rate than other drugs. With drugs like alcohol, MDMA or even cocaine for that matter your tolerance usually goes up in smaller amounts, say you're able to handle 30% more than what you would normally do, then if you keep using that will be your new baseline, however with opiates handling double your usual dose is pretty common, so you can see where that leads. If you start doubling your doses it doesn't take long for the doses to get up there, and like you said, once they're up there you can pretty well forget about things going back to how they used to be. Although it may take a while, if you start just taking the medication as prescribed your tolerance should go back to being a level that you can actually get pain/anxiety relief again from the amount the doctor has allotted, however if you jump up over that even a few times, your tolerance will be right back where you started in no time flat. With these drugs less equals more, especially with the benzos. Good luck man!
 
I took 15 30mg crushed old oxys 3mo's into my addiction. We both fuckin RUINED our tolerances eh? Don't u regret that now...Ido. Seemed like a great (albeit expensive) idea at the time. Not many people (I think?) fall as hard as we had to for dope/opiates to achieve this level after only a few short months. Ahhh... At least from ur more recent posts it appears u gt clean. I enter treatment may 6. Good luck buddy!
 
I'm about a week clean but a couple weeks ago I went through 90 30mg IR Roxys in four days. All while wearing a 100mcg Fentanyl patch and cheeking half of a patch almost constantly. Even at that level I got no pain relief nor buzz. It was just time for me to quit because I have too much at stake in my life.
Three days of hell and three months of depression. What goes up must come down. Your ride and tolerance.
 
Your physical withdrawals lasted 3 days only? I'd think it would be more like 2 weeks of hell at that level.
 
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