Harm Reduction speedball ratio (IV heroin veteran, IV cocaine newbie)

[majorigpa]

I've used the search function and I know there are all sorts of similar threads out there, but i feel my situation is somewhat unique. I've been using heroin on and off for the last 7 years. I'm 2 months into my latest binge and shooting at least one .25 shot per day of some ass-kicking tar. (I know everyone says theres is the best, but I've been around and used with quite a few folks in my area who all agree that this stuff is something special.) I'll redose occasionally, not everyday but certainly capable of using a gram a day if the gods allow.

Now, while being very familiar with plugged and insufflated cocaine, I've never IV'd it before, and at the moment have no tolerance whatsoever. My question is this: If I intend to speedball tonight, what would you guys say is my optimum blow/smack ratio? Keep in mind, I have a VERY limited amount of blow and I only want to do this once, so I want to make sure I get the quintessential experience without putting myself in harms way.

Also, any tips on preparation would be greatly appreciated. I've used the search function and read all of the info available, but I figure if i can get some personalized info from a few key folks whom I know have a wealth of knowledge and experience to share, than so be it.

Thanks in Advance!!

 

[OntarioGuy]

I would start with a point of each...we can't really tell you for sure, since we just cant know how pure your dope is.

EDIT : maybe start with like 50 mg's of powdered cocaine to be safe

 

[majorigpa]

thanks for your advice. i know its fruitless to try and get a defnitive answer on dosage, since you guys have no idea how potent either substance is. i guess i was just wondering if there was a standard ratio, or if i should use less dope if i was only going to use .1 of coke to get the best of both worlds, since i would typically use .25 of dope. i didnt know if .25 of dope would totally overpower the blow if i only used .1 of white. i'll just play it safe and start small...

 

[aussie101]

I used to start with a point of china white and a point of good coke. But then i'd OD all the time so don't take my advice...

 

[majorigpa]

bahaha, thanks for the heads up. i have some of the best tar ive come across in 7 years, and all of the people ive been hooking up lately have said the same, but its nowhere near any china white im sure. as for the blow, who fuckin knows. too hard to get a read on that stuff these days. again, just starting small. i don't wanna pull an aussie...

 

[Dagda Mochta]

Without getting into specific amouts, I generally use a slightly stronger dose of dope than whatever dose of coke I'm using. IME it's easier for the coke to overpower the dope, not the other way around but YMMV. And it all depends on the quality of your gear and tolerance etc.

 

[dedalus]

I'd just go with your regular H dose, cook it up however you usually do and draw it into the syringe on its own. Then just mix the coke and water, with no heat. Coke dissolves on its own very fast. Anything left behind is cut. Unless you have some good coke, a filter is absolutely necesarry or the needle will clog. I cant say for sure on how to dose the coke, since we have no way to gauge the purity, but if it was me, I'd use half to 3/4 of a usual strong lines worth. But I'm pretty used to IV coke, and it can take a lot of people by surprise. This is probably really irresponsible advice on my part, but if I was the one who wanted to only do it once, and make it count, thats what I'd do. At least only shoot 3/4 the rig, wait a few seconds, then push the rest. One of the main risks of speedballs is the H overpowering the coke when it wears off, but coke IV overdoses are absolute hell so be careful

Edit: I just thought to mention this, don't redose either drug for at least 20-30 minutes. If you need to, just snort it. You cant be sure if one drug is masking the other.

 

[Mass08]

Dude please be careful with the speedballs. As me and a million others can attest they will grab you by the balls man. This is a ridiculously addicting combo that I tried about a month ago and have been struggling to stop ever since. Once you do a speedball it just isn't the same doing heroin or cocaine alone. Please rethink this

 

[down508]

if your coke is really good 70mg should be all you need, do about 2/3rd your reg heroin dose for the speedball to play it safe and if you dont feel the heroin as much as you think you should wait til the coke wears off before deciding whether to do more. if the coke isnt that bomb than you might need up to 150mg or more, but start at 70 to make sure your not overdoing it. if you decide to redose just redose with coke dont keep doing speedballs because when you run out of coke you might not even realize that your od'ing til its too late.

be safe and as with any combo, especially a notoriously synergistic one like a speedball. start small.

 

[dedalus]

if your coke is really good 70mg should be all you need, do about 2/3rd your reg heroin dose for the speedball to play it safe and if you dont feel the heroin as much as you think you should wait til the coke wears off before deciding whether to do more. if the coke isnt that bomb than you might need up to 150mg or more, but start at 70 to make sure your not overdoing it. if you decide to redose just redose with coke dont keep doing speedballs because when you run out of coke you might not even realize that your od'ing til its too late.

be safe and as with any combo, especially a notoriously synergistic one like a speedball. start small.

Hey I'm curious if you think 70 mg would still be safe with acetone washed fishscale? I've never had high quality coke before and dont want to overdo it (at least not too much lol)

 

[majorigpa]

thanks for all of the great responses guys. given the particularly dangerous nature of this combo i thought it would be extra important to get some firsthand experience directed at me personally. im very confident with my ability to IV heroin safely but cocaine, not so much. i just recently got a sample of some coke from my dope hook, and if the blow is anything like the dope, it's bound to be of excellent quality. that being said, i'm going to take down508's advice and start with 70 mg's, maybe less, and use a little less dope than my regular .25, perhaps .2.

also, thanks to Mass08 for the stern warning, it has been heard loud and clear. heroin is something i've been struggling with for about 7 years, having cleaned up multiple times, my longest clean stretch being a little over a year. for whatever reason i just keep falling back into it, usually binging for 3 months at a time and then cleaning up again for the rest of the year. i'm about at the end of my most current binge, feeling tired, strung out and sick with myself. i got this free coke and am looking at this speedball as one of my last hurrah's (i know i know, famous last words). but i have no illusions about my addictions and the futility of this cycle i've found myself in.

sorry to ramble, i guess i just wanted to let anyone who had any concerns know that though i am indeed an addict, i'm not the kind of hard-headed addict who is completely oblivious to his plight and its dangers and tries to defend his actions with a vengeance. right now this is how i'm getting by, and hopefully someday soon i'll figure out how to live with my emotions a little more positively. until then, thank you all for helping to keep me safe %)

 

[Bambooshoot]

Mass you sound ridiculas name dropping like that. "oh pagey, mr scag and I all know this is terrible" geeez yeah as we'll as a million other people in the world. Lol >_>

 

[OntarioGuy]

You do have to be careful shooting good coke for sure....I had some crazy primo one night (like several ounces) and was doing speedballs and straight up coke shots...Upped my dose to 0.2 grams of cocaine adn did the rubber chicken.This coke dissapeared completely when added to water.

IV cocaine can become very scary when done to excess.

 

[down508]

Hey I'm curious if you think 70 mg would still be safe with acetone washed fishscale? I've never had high quality coke before and dont want to overdo it (at least not too much lol)

depends on if it's really as good as its said to be. with pure coke (which it definitely isn't) 70mg would be on the high end. if you want to be safe do 50mg and see if you need to up the dose. when I said 70 mg that was assuming he had incredible coke, the stuff I usually get is around 50% and I do 170mg a shot and wouldn't feel comfortable doing much more. it depends on what kind of rush your looking for, a bellringer/can't walk/flanged sounds is going to be at the upper end of not dying, a nice amphetamine style subtle yet positive boost can be achieved with lower doses.

start at 50mg if it's really good coke to make sure its not gonna kill you, figure out what effects your aiming for, and up it from there, if 100mg feels like too much and it makes you throw up then yeah your coke is pretty good.

 

[tremours]

yes deff more black, the only point of having the white in there is to keep you awake

 

[chemical313]

man i wish i still had my old source for some solid and damned pure blow, i can get good white H 90% of the time tho so id far prefer that to the reverse. Anyways man, be careful with the blow and if you like run it through a good filter if possible, otherwise maybe load an old rig with some cotton tips, load it with water once or so and mash em down. Always did the trick for me. anyways ratio is totally dependent on quality, so id say half a hit plus a hit of h if u were me. tho u can always start smaller.