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Astral Projection
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The foregoing disagreement between SS and Foreigner over the defining features of a genuine 'astral projection' (in less fancy English, literally a 'star jut' - lol) reminds me of that aphorism re. the dark room and the black cat.
Foreigner
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Mhm.
Nothing of use to whom? To you? I, for one, get a great kick out of people vigorously debating the essential characteristics of empirical phenomena that, by their (apparently controversial!) definition, can never be efficiently, reproducibly studied. In my opinion (as any old Bluelighter, and as a moderator) it's an exercise in futility, and it begins to look like needless clutter when the tenor of the dialogue reaches that of Foreigner's posts above, as ebola has already suggested.
ebola?
Bluelight Crew
Once again, I think that the meta-discussion here is threatening to crowd out the actual topic.
ebola
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cire113
Bluelighter
Foreigner and SS do you have any tips to quiet the mind down yet remaining awareness?
IT appears i am able to achieve full dissociation from my body; but I think my mind wandering and drifting/ thinking too much is keeping me from easily astral projecting...
Here is my usual routine for astral projection..
1)Lay down or sit at an angle in a relaxing chair
2) Take about 20 deep breathes
3) I consciously scan my whole body and every muscle.. First I flex it then I relax.. Starting from my toes working up my body to my head; This does wonders for physical relaxation
4) After about 15-30 minutes I no longer feel connection with my body at all
5) I try to focus the mind on the sensation of breathing; or count my breathes; as well as the stare at the blackness behind my eyelids
6) At a certain point right when i feel the vibrations i get to excited and my mind kills the whole experience
It seems the times i have been successful with projection is when i just say fuck this and try to go to sleep and then somehow i accidentally project lol...
The first few times i successfully projected where just sheer terror and the feeling of separation is like one i have NEVER felt EVER...
Ill keep practicing though; I guess alot of the techniques are personal; It appears as most of the time my mind is trying tooo hard
IT appears i am able to achieve full dissociation from my body; but I think my mind wandering and drifting/ thinking too much is keeping me from easily astral projecting...
Here is my usual routine for astral projection..
1)Lay down or sit at an angle in a relaxing chair
2) Take about 20 deep breathes
3) I consciously scan my whole body and every muscle.. First I flex it then I relax.. Starting from my toes working up my body to my head; This does wonders for physical relaxation
4) After about 15-30 minutes I no longer feel connection with my body at all
5) I try to focus the mind on the sensation of breathing; or count my breathes; as well as the stare at the blackness behind my eyelids
6) At a certain point right when i feel the vibrations i get to excited and my mind kills the whole experience
It seems the times i have been successful with projection is when i just say fuck this and try to go to sleep and then somehow i accidentally project lol...
The first few times i successfully projected where just sheer terror and the feeling of separation is like one i have NEVER felt EVER...
Ill keep practicing though; I guess alot of the techniques are personal; It appears as most of the time my mind is trying tooo hard
Foreigner
Bluelighter
circe113 said:
Before I answer that question I need to point out that I have never had an OBE using the methods you describe. As you point out, you end up accidentally having the experience once you go to sleep despite having tried so hard while awake. This is because the OBE/astral experience happens in non-conscious states; it's not meant to happen while you're awake. What you've been doing before going to sleep can be called "intention work". You're focusing really hard on doing it which sends the message to your unconscious that you want it to happen, then it does once you're asleep. You're calling that an accident, when in actual fact that's how it's supposed to work. The conscious and unconscious are one, so any intention you set while awake will program the unconscious to respond, and it's the unconscious that triggers OBEs.
You can accomplish the same thing by journaling before bed by writing down causal statements with circular logic, such as: "Tonight I will leave my body because it's easy to do. When I go to sleep, I will realize I am dreaming and will leave my body. I have always had the ability to leave my body so tonight I will do it." Make sure you hand write and don't type it on a computer, it ingrains it better. The reason why you use circular logic is because the unconscious is an abstract phenomenon and it does not use reason to manifest action, so you need the program to be simple.
Being able to quiet the mind while being conscious is a meditation technique that is indeed useful but is not necessary for AP simply because when you are asleep your conscious mind has already been silenced. As you approach bedtime you instead need to use the transition time between awake/asleep to imbed messages into the unconscious in order to trigger the experience.
That's why I said earlier that doing AP through the dream state is more effective. If you can program (through journaling or some kind of focus) a queue that you can use in your dream to realize it's a dream, then you can use the queue to leave the dream. For example, my queue is that in the dream I look at my hands, and they don't have any lines on them. Then I realize it's a dream and I remember that I can leave my body. Then I'm suddenly standing in my home, but not in my body anymore. You can also use symbols, like staring at a mandala before bedtime. Mandalas represent infinite chaos with a calm centre. The mandala programs your unconscious to remember that no matter what is happening in the dream, you are the source of the dream, and you are also the calm centre. I used mandalas to overcome my nightmares, which later led to lucid control. Once you trigger a lucid state, you can use it to leave your body.
Some people use the queue just for lucid dreaming, making the construct do whatever they want, but I could care less. I want to travel through time and space, not deal with the symbols of my unconscious.
It takes a while to program the queue or to train yourself to see the dream state for what it is. Once you do, the first few times you try to leave your body you might wake up instead because of the excitement of having realized. The key is to realize but remain calm so that your body remains relaxed but you are able to slip out.
I think there were sciences before science existed, they just didn't conceive of the world the way you did.
I was going to write a snarky reply to you, but then I realized you're acting out because this topic is beyond your epistemology of comprehension, which is not really your fault. What is your fault though is being a mod of the "spirituality and philosophy" subforum who feels it's appropriate to degrade the beliefs of others because they do not live up to your scientific model of understanding the world.
Whoever made such a rigid empiricist in charge of this subforum really dropped the ball. You'd be more suited to somewhere that conforms to the school of reason. In the mean time, all I ask is that you back off.
ebola? said:
Tell that to PA.
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Bluelighter
I only chimed in because I sensed the thread going irretrievably downhill from page one. If the conversation were actually flowing smoothly, my little quip re. the cat would never have been prompted in the first place (cf. my comment re. 'needless clutter'). That you repeatedly insist upon taking me to task and replying to my every post (whether they were addressed to you or not) - cluttering the thread even further - makes me wonder how interested you really are in having a constructive conversation about 'astral projection.' In this thread alone, you've had at least two mini-tantrums over offhand comments that were not specifically directed at you. But, pray, excuse my interruption. I agree, and I couldn't have said it better myself: The matters under discussion are clearly far beyond my powers of comprehension.
Nobody has been subjected to degradation here. It was a joke, and, from where I'm sitting, not a particularly mean-spirited one. If I did actually offend you, I'm sincerely sorry - that was not my intention.
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cire113
Bluelighter
I just wanna update everyone; After much practice/guidance and patience
Last night was the first time i officially left my body and projected for more than couple of seconds...
Holy shit !$#@R$#@$#@ it was SOO intense.... It was amazing
Reminded me of a psychedelic trip in a way; It felt like i was flying at light speed around the universe ..
I cant believe how heavy the vibrations were before i left my body; It felt like a rocket ship or being shot out of a cannon at light speed...
I wish everyone could experience this phenomenon;
I was having doubts myself as i was never able lo leave my body for extended periods due to fear but WoW now i cant wait to explore further
Last night was the first time i officially left my body and projected for more than couple of seconds...
Holy shit !$#@R$#@$#@ it was SOO intense.... It was amazing
Reminded me of a psychedelic trip in a way; It felt like i was flying at light speed around the universe ..
I cant believe how heavy the vibrations were before i left my body; It felt like a rocket ship or being shot out of a cannon at light speed...
I wish everyone could experience this phenomenon;
I was having doubts myself as i was never able lo leave my body for extended periods due to fear but WoW now i cant wait to explore further
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Pariahprose
Bluelighter
I have experienced astral projection a couple times,though for the most part I just stayed in the Astral Plane and did little with it in what we perceive as reality while awake. It is very difficult to achieve this state and takes a lot of practice no matter what method you use. I actually have a blog entry talking about Dream Journals and using them as a tool to help reach the astral state. The method I lay out was actually much easier for myself,so check it out and if you have any questions,ask.
Pariahprose
I have once had a lucid dream, astral projection and lucid dreaming are very similar. I can't say I've astral travelled but I definitely experienced a 100% real life experience of being in another dimension. My soul definitely left my body, my dad couldn't even wake me up for school because he said I was literally dead.
Journyman16
Bluelighter
I've managed it several times with intent, but each time I have used hemisync to assist. I've used William Buhlman's chakra meditation hemisync but also made my on using a light/sound 'mind machine and software.
ive had so much obes after my xanax usage on the day after especially when i take naps in the afternoons.
ill wake up from a quick nap feeling the tug of my inner side wanting to come out of my body.
i think thats the "weird feeling" that one gets during an obe.
and when u let you allow it to keep tugging you out, and bam, your outta your body
ill wake up from a quick nap feeling the tug of my inner side wanting to come out of my body.
i think thats the "weird feeling" that one gets during an obe.
and when u let you allow it to keep tugging you out, and bam, your outta your body