Stimulants Dexerall: A superior formula of l-METHamphetamine & d-amphetamine

[blight12]

Even at high doses, l-methamphetamine provides no sort of psychoactive high. Considering that fact, adding such miniscule amounts to your Adderall and supposedly making it "better" is complete placebo. You THINK it's going to make it better, therefore it simply does.

State of mind plays a huge role in the effects of drugs.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying it TRULY sounds like placebo. I don't think it's having any effect at all. If I made it myself but instead used 2mg of Caffeine it would most likely produce the same results, of course without you knowing of this whole placebo situation.

^^ And that is why I like Hatrix. /Closed

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

OP I read through the thread and understand you perfectly well, but the fact remains (lol) - and it doesn't matter if you're trying to get high or not - that you are self medicating for your psychiatric disorder. I said nothing about you trying to get high; I merely put in a "disclaimer" if you will after revealing its recreational validity.

Its unhealthy to do what you're doing. Period.

 

[blight12]

^^ To drive the point home self medicating is different from recreational use and far more dangerous as well

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

@blight12, I'm glad you're a fan of Hatrix, but his post is completely irrelevant in this thread - he (and apparently you, as well) missed the intended mark by a fair margin...I completely agree with everything he is saying: l-methamp isn't recreational[In fact, I've been saying the same damn thing the whole thread, attempting to ensure that there was no confusion about me trying to get high on it - but I guess you guys aren't a fan of reading anything except the last couple posts in a thread], and adding it to "Adderall" would probably be difficult to distinguish from placebo. But

A. I'm not trying to get high, so recreational effects are moot.

and

B. I'm adding it to DEXEDRINE (100% d-amp), NOT ADDERALL (75% d-amp, 25% l-amp)

Are you guys actually implying that there is no difference between the effects of Adderall and Dexedrine? It's all "placebo" huh? *facepalm*


@Ho-Chi-Minh, I wasn't really addressing your post with my rant; I think you are probably one of the few people who actually read through (and understood) the thread, and I thank you for that.

I'm not quite sure this is self medication, however...I have a prescription for Dexedrine, and have had a prescription for Adderall in the past, but insurance won't cover both of them simultaneously.

This method was simply supposed to be a quick-fix to turn your Dexedrine into Adderall on days when you need more energy. I'm also unsure where your claims of unhealthy-ness are grounded...racemic methamphetamine is a prevalent street drug throughout the world, and it's not particularly dangerous, so I see no reason that a miniscule dose of extracted l-methamphetamine [I'm not fucking eating the cottons here, guys] combined with a normal prescribed dose of Dexamphetamine should be any more dangerous than taking Adderall as prescribed...

 

[MrSpeedyG]

I just finished reading this thread, YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOT's to be quite frank. No warning, I agree with you.

I'll sum it up for you in a few sentences, if you can't understand what I am about to write you have no place posting in this discussion and obviously have never used, at seperate times, d-amp and a combo of dl-amp.

D-amp, or Dexedrine I also find, as majority of others is very smooth and there is very little if not nothing I find in terms of physical stimulation.

Adderal, which is 3/4 d-amp and 1/4 l-amp, which we should know if we are having any say in this particular thread, has more of a physical kick to it. This is due to the l-amp. Yeah, l-amp or l-meth amp doesnt have any value, but combined with the d-isomer it compliments it in giving yes at the same time peirpheral effects but it does give you a physical kick to it.

All he is saying, is instead of using l-amp to give d-amp a kick the same way adderal does compared to dexedrine, he is using l-METHamp which can much more easily be dosed if extracted in a pure form. He is simply saying that he finds l-methamp over l-amp, when used in conjunction with d-amp is much better for the reasons he stated.

Seriously, are you cunts taking the piss? Fuck me. Shit like this really ticks me off makes me question the knowledge behind some of you.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I have to agree with MrSpeedyG here. I thought the OP was completely reasonable and easy to understand. Are people just not believing his experience of the L-methamp having similar effects to the L-amp in Adderall or what? Not everyone hates Adderall. Adderall does tend to be more sort of physically energizing than Dexedrine IME. Seems like an interesting solution for someone who would like Adderall-like effects once in a while but would prefer Dexedrine to be their daily med. The only question is does adding L-methamp to D-amp actually generally/consistently give an effect similar to Adderall but with slightly less side effects than Adderall as the OP described? Only one way to find out I guess - can't be me though since there is no L-methamphetamine in Canadian Vicks inhalers.

Also blight12 - Why is self-medicating more dangerous than recreational drug use? (and where do you make the distinction - a lot of so-called "recreational" drug use is self-medicating)

 

[hatrix]

I have to agree with MrSpeedyG here. I thought the OP was completely reasonable and easy to understand. Are people just not believing his experience of the L-methamp having similar effects to the L-amp in Adderall or what? Not everyone hates Adderall. Adderall does tend to be more sort of physically energizing than Dexedrine IME. Seems like an interesting solution for someone who would like Adderall-like effects once in a while but would prefer Dexedrine to be their daily med. The only question is does adding L-methamp to D-amp actually generally/consistently give an effect similar to Adderall but with slightly less side effects than Adderall as the OP described? Only one way to find out I guess - can't be me though since there is no L-methamphetamine in Canadian Vicks inhalers.

Also blight12 - Why is self-medicating more dangerous than recreational drug use? (and where do you make the distinction - a lot of so-called "recreational" drug use is self-medicating)

This is what I'm trying to say. Whatever hes adding it to, Dexedrine, I get it. The amounts of l-methamphetamine he is adding are MINISCULE. I'm saying whatever extra "energy" he is feeling is complete placebo. I never stated he's getting high from it. I'm saying it isn't having any damn effect at all.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

This is what I'm trying to say. Whatever hes adding it to, Dexedrine, I get it. The amounts of l-methamphetamine he is adding are MINISCULE. I'm saying whatever extra "energy" he is feeling is complete placebo. I never stated he's getting high from it. I'm saying it isn't having any damn effect at all.

Is this because you feel that L-methamp doesn't cause peripheral stimulation like L-amp?

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

hatrix, your latest post implies that Adderall and Dexedrine feel identical - is this really what you mean?

 

[hatrix]

No that's not what I'm saying, N0 W4RN1NG. I know they feel different.

To swimmingdancer, at a higher dose I'm sure it causes peripheral stimulation an and overall uncomfortable feeling as we know it's not very sought after or any sort of good high. But he states that he is using 2-3mgs of l-methamphetamine. I would barely consider that threshold anything. So any perceived effects are most likely placebo when added to his dosage of Dexedrine.

 

[Epsilon Alpha]

No that's not what I'm saying, N0 W4RN1NG. I know they feel different.

To swimmingdancer, at a higher dose I'm sure it causes peripheral stimulation an and overall uncomfortable feeling as we know it's not very sought after or any sort of good high. But he states that he is using 2-3mgs of l-methamphetamine. I would barely consider that threshold anything. So any perceived effects are most likely placebo when added to his dosage of Dexedrine.

Well considering the subjective differences between 10mg Adderall and 10mg d-AMP, those 1-3mg of l-(M)AMP do make a notable difference. Also, as No Warning has stated this is intended to be part of a ghetto work combo. And, before someone else rages about "OMG guyz l-amp is shit gives me peanut dick and no happy" it does have a large body of evidence suggesting it does improve several measures of cognition.

Well written OP btw, as always

 

[default_auto]

This thread really interests me. I am in the process currently of extracting l-meth from the inhaler. I don't have access to the spansules but I do have a rx to 10mg IR d-amp (barr). Interested in adding a few mg of l-meth to it and seeing how it compares to adderall. will report back (probably tomorrow given the amount of time it takes for evaporation etc) with results of mixing 10mg d-amp with 1-3mg l-meth.

Very novel idea in this thread. I think the people who are criticizing it are not quite grasping what the purpose of it is (eg functional stimulant for work versus one for getting high). And yes, I agree totally with the above post. 3mg of l-meth should (in theory, assuming it is similar to l-amp) make a huge difference, as IMHO there is a quite a difference in effects between 10mg d-amp and 10mg adderall (which if I am not mistaken contains around 7.5mg d-amp and 2.5mg l-amp).

 

[default_auto]

This thread really interests me. I am in the process currently of extracting l-meth from the inhaler. I don't have access to the spansules but I do have a rx to 10mg IR d-amp (barr). Interested in adding a few mg of l-meth to it and seeing how it compares to adderall. will report back (probably tomorrow given the amount of time it takes for evaporation etc) with results of mixing 10mg d-amp with 1-3mg l-meth.

Very novel idea in this thread. I think the people who are criticizing it are not quite grasping what the purpose of it is (eg functional stimulant for work versus one for getting high). And yes, I agree totally with the above post. 3mg of l-meth should (in theory, assuming it is similar to l-amp) make a huge difference, as IMHO there is a quite a difference in effects between 10mg d-amp and 10mg adderall (which if I am not mistaken contains around 7.5mg d-amp and 2.5mg l-amp).

HA so it took me a bit more than a day to respond... I actually got the flu the day after posting this and since then havnt had a chance to really experiment with this much.

Anyways, I finally got around to doing this. Currently on IR 10mg d-AMP and ~3mg l-methamp.

Definetly notice a difference and can most certainly focus a little better than on normal 10mg d-AMP.

It most certainly feels different than adderall. Still feels much "cleaner" than say 15mg or adderall would and less tweaky.

I like it!

 

[ebola?]

YOUR [sic] ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOT's [sic]

The irony is...well, it's palpable.
...
Does anyone have respective EC50s for l-meth and d-amp handy? I am currently stuck behind paywalls, but I want to say that l-amp is a good bit more potent and slightly less selective for NE than l-meth, suggesting it a poor substitute.
...
People need to shed their dogmatic opposition to norepinephrine release. NE plays a key role in many of stimulants' desired effects, particularly increased alertness and arousal. As a telling empirical example, ethcathinone, as a selective norepinephrine releaser, seems pretty fun and useful, with a time-course and potency that can't be explained by catabolism to cathinone. And then highly selective dopamine reuptake inhibitors seem more like selective 'compulsogens' than euphoriants or functional stimulants.

ebola

 

[laCster]

dude there is no harm reduction value in your post/thread. this is just you blogging about vicks inhaler

this is an interesting concept, but if yo uwere going to buy inhaler, why not just buy the benzedrex inhaler and get high from propylhexedrine ..seems much more effective. better yet, why not just drink some caffeine on top of your dexedrine???

do what i do OP, combine vyvanse and adderall.. i take my vyvanse in the morning and when i need a little boost i plug some adderall.. much much much more effective then viks inhaler lmao.

you are going to get kids abusing inhalers which is probably terrible for you, or swallowing cotton and cotents inside the vicks inhaler which is the EXACT opposite of harm reduction. you are telling people to do something that will cause more harm than good, not the point of BL it would be much safer to combine vyvanse/adderall which is common practice. i know a bunch of people on the vyvanse/addy combo which is much safer because you are under the care of the doctor and you are taking a medicine how it is intended to be used.

OP you think u are something special, but sorry man, u wrre close but no cigar. the effort time and energy spent to utilize this combo is futile. seems a little silly

again, you dont even ask a question, this i sjust a blog, mods why is this thread still open?

inb4close

 

[default_auto]

dude there is no harm reduction value in your post/thread. this is just you blogging about vicks inhaler

this is an interesting concept, but if yo uwere going to buy inhaler, why not just buy the benzedrex inhaler and get high from propylhexedrine ..seems much more effective. better yet, why not just drink some caffeine on top of your dexedrine???

OP you think u are something special, but sorry man, u wrre close but no cigar. the effort time and energy spent to utilize this combo is futile. seems a little silly

again, you dont even ask a question, this i sjust a blog, mods why is this thread still open?

inb4close

If you are able to comprehend the point of this thread, which is obviously beyond your intelligence level, it is about creating a superior FUNCTIONAL stimulant than Dexedrine is. The point of this thread is not to use vicks inhalers to get high.

 

[laCster]

lol you are right bro, this is wayyy beyond my intelligence level. tell me, why would abusing a vicks inhaler be smarter than taking adderall +vyvanse? or why would the benefits outweigh the positives for using vicks inhaler wth dexedrine? please do tell me that sucking down vicks inhalers is a safe act.

you sound like you are 16 man hahahahaha . arguing over an INTERNET website hahahah, like omg you got me bro, soo much smarter than me hahahahah. i love kids getting angry on websites it makes my day. you have the maturity of a 13 year old which PROVES that i am a smarter, more adapt, better all around person than u are. omg my epenis is soo huge right now

 

[laCster]

loooool where do you think he is getting the l-meth? he says in his post that he gets his l-meth from vicks inhalers, it really is the only way to obtain PURE l-meth in the US. street meth also has some levels of L-meth usually but that is a whole different ball game.

However, I have found a really simple way to get the best of both worlds. At most (US) convenience stores, you can find these little Vicks Inhalers. These inhalers are cheap and made of plastic, and are sold for decongestion purposes. They each contain around 50mg of l-methamphetamine. l-meth by itself is really a poor compound, since it has ~7 times higher affinity for NET than DAT. However, just as Adderall is 75% d-amphetamine and 25% l-amphetamine, and it is this small addition of l-amphetamine that gives Adderall a more energetic experience, we can extract the l-methamphetamine from these inhalers, and mix a small amount into our d-amphetamine (Dexedrine) on days of increased demand to form a mixture that draws from and improves upon the example set by Adderall.

So, break open the thin plastic tube, take the cotton out, throw it in some cool water, swirl it around until you feel everything in the cotton has dispersed into the water. Then take a syringe\eyedropper and suck the bottom of the solution up. There will be a layer of foul smelling lavendar oil at the top, avoid sucking that up. Not really dangerous or anything, but it leaves a terrible flavor in your mouth if you end up with some in your solution. Take your bottom (should be pretty clear) layer of water (that our product is now dissolved in) and squirt it out somewhere flat. Let the water dry out until the l-methamphetamine powder is left.

Now, you have roughly ~30-40mg of methamphetamine, accounting for some definite losses of product in the filtration process..

OMG IM SOO MADD!! someone on the internet called me 13 years old hahahahahahaha. well nothing else to do but /wrists. damn im having fun! too bad this thread is stupid and it will be closed soon

anything productive to add? nope thats what i thought, u are just made because i countered this thoery with legitmate reasons and you have nothing good to say so u just resort to flamming.

 

[default_auto]

lol you are right bro, this is wayyy beyond my intelligence level. tell me, why would abusing a vicks inhaler be smarter than taking adderall +vyvanse? or why would the benefits outweigh the positives for using vicks inhaler wth dexedrine? please do tell me that sucking down vicks inhalers is a safe act.

you sound like you are 16 man hahahahaha . arguing over an INTERNET website hahahah, like omg you got me bro, soo much smarter than me hahahahah. i love kids getting angry on websites it makes my day. you have the maturity of a 13 year old which PROVES that i am a smarter, more adapt, better all around person than u are. omg my epenis is soo huge right now

well to put it in kindergarten terms because you obviously either have not read this thread or just cannot comprehend it:
Some people have a prescription to a drug called Dexedrine. Dexedrine is pure d-AMP.
Other people have a prescription to a drug called Adderall. Adderall is roughly 75% d-AMP and 25% l-AMP

Adderall is generally better for studying and doing work than Dexedrine is.

Thus if someone who has a prescription to Dexedrine wants to get some serious work done, this tread is about adding l-methamp to the drug to make the Dexedrine that you already have more Adderall like.

A doc is not going to prescribe someone both Adderall and Dexedrine at the same time, which is why this would be a valuable technique for someone who has a Dexedrine prescription.

For the millionth time we are not talking about getting high or abuse.

 

[laCster]

you just made yourself look very very stupid explaining something i already clearly knowt; you arent understanding my post you imbicile. what i was saying is if u have a dexedrine script, why not get scripted for vyvanse + adderall to solve the problem of not being pescribed d-amp and addy??? vyvanse is basically d-amp anyways. and this way you arent abusing vicks inhalers for seldmedication. it makes much much much more sense and is much more effective to use the vyvanse + adderall combo. also, adderall isnt a single drug, it is a racemic of amphetamine like you said.

also, i was saying why go through the process of extracting the l-meth out of the inhaler is all you want is physicall stimulation??? l-meth acts mainly on NE And so does caffeine, so why not just drink some coffee instead of going through alll the trouble of buyng the vicks inhaler, extracting it, measuring it, weighing it, ect ect..... both caffeine and l-meth get you to the same ending spot, so why take the l-meth.

this is not a valuable technique AT ALL as i have said for the millionth time, so much effort and so little gain. you do not NEED the l-meth on top of the dexedrine to get shit done, many people world wide get along just fine without d-amp and just caffeine, and many people dont have a problem using d-amp to get shit done. the dexedrine not providing enough stimulation isnt whats wrong, western society's idea of perfection and improving upon ideas and inventions (such as drugs) is what is wrong. i can tell the OP is american because what he is doing is a very american thing to do, saying oh well this thing isnt working as well AS I WANT IT TO WORK so it must be wrong. no, that is far from correct. this way of thought started with the enlightenment and western europe's drive for world conquest - always wanting more riches and more land. more more more more, such an american way of thought. like i said, just because something is thought of as the "norm" doesnt mean it is automatically correct


you are dodging my question, why would l-meth be better than caffeine?? give me 1 good reason........but you cant because there is really no difference. self medicating is the SAME AS ABUSING A MEDICATION!! if you take opiates off the street for pain or xanax off the street for anxiety, you are still abusing the medication. just because you intend to use it for the "right" reasons does NOT make it "right" to self medicate. what about the person who buys meth off the street so that they can obtain energy and focus for doing school stuff or working at their job? they are trying to use thr meth for the same reason someone uses adderall or dexedrine, but does that mean that using meth to self-medicate is NOT abuse?? no using meth for whatever reason is obviously abuse, which is the point i was trying to get at. in addition, sometimes medicating for therapeutic and getting high is the same thing. for example, i take vyvanse/adderall for therapy for my adhd, but i still get HIGH off these medicines. you are just using the excuse "oh well im doing it for the right reasons," but when it comes down to it, excuses are excuses and using vicks inhalers for extra energy is the same thing as injecting cocaine for extra energy. a person who starts on pain managament will get high off their opiates even though they dont intend to.

i rest my case

-laC