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Is The Antichrist On Earth?

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I wasnt sure if this topic belongs more here or in the spiritual forum,but since it affects all 6+ billion people on earth it should be discussed here.
My question is simple::Do you believe the Antichrist is here now???:::Who do you think he could be if its a popular,well known individual???This is a serious question so hopefully people will put their jokes aside and put serious thought into the topic......
 
Well, I don't recognize a 'Christ' so an 'Antichrist' is pretty much a nonsensical term.

AFAIK, no Christians frequent this forum so you won't find any discussion that you're looking for. The good/crazy folks over at P&S would be more accommodating to this question.
 
Well, if you take a literally interpretation of the bible the antichrist is a visceral figure, the opposite manifestation of Christ. He convinces the people of the world falsely that he is the son of god, or more specifically God I guess. He is the sort mythical false prophet. In the wiki, theres a Muslim reference panic. He may in fact be a Jungian archetype.

I've read somewhere as well that Revelations is coded text for the persecution of the Jews by a Roman emperor. That specific Roman emperor being the antichrist.

There's also the idea of a metaphorical antichrist, that Christ, Satan, the antichrist are all moral influences, internal moral influences. Man is capable of great acts of kindness as well as great deeds of evil.

I think what people have trouble with ultimately is that Revelations is some form of prognostication, a telling of the future. And maybe to take it seriously it very may well be. Belief is a very powerful form of mind over matter. Hitler, if his mythic power of persuasion is to be believed is the atypical persona of recent memory. But if you go back further in time greater conquerors existed, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Britain and the Commonwealth. Egypt and its various leaders.

Or I like the fact of Hubbard of Scientology fame being similar to the antichrist, or Jonestown. I think in all honesty its a warning of false leadership, that in times of great crisis, leaders may arise that may prove falsely.
 
jpgrdnr said:
There's some good stuff in here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Days_(eschatology)

that touches on the cross-cultural valuation of end times. To answer panic in paradise's question.
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that was actually a pretty good read, seems much of the difference between the presentation of the eastern and western theory is how much more generalized(predicting timelines) the eastern was to the west(predicting events). the changes that occur with both, though, are ultimately positive.

MrGrunge said:
AFAIK, no Christians frequent this forum so you won't find any discussion that you're looking for. The good/crazy folks over at P&S would be more accommodating to this question.
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we have some good bible interpretations here, i have frequented the Orthodox Christian churches, and definitely will again.
 
suppressing jokes took some effort. it took a walk away to come up with something serious for a response. so here goes.

the original christians were called that name on account of their being "christ like". this is defined by self sacrifice to the cause of spreading christian beliefs and stories. some christians only donated money or time, and others sacrificed their lives and became martyrs. the hagiographies of martyrs and saints became the gospel of the church. giving your life is the most christian thing to do, since that is what christ did.
so if the antichrist is meant to come in the name of the christ and god, but doesn't follow christian virtue, through failing to live "christ like" they would reveal their falsity. no one on earth fits this picture than modern christian extremists and fundamentalists. those who in the name of the bible focus on an eye for an eye, rather than on forgiveness, are the antichrist.
 
Many people don't really understand (or even bother to check) what the New Testament actually says about "the Antichrist". So we have people asking, "is so-and-so the Antichrist, or whatchamacallit, or could it be thingymebob?"

You may be surprised to learn that "antichrist" is only mentioned a few times in the entire New Testament, and all these occurrences may be found in the two epistles of John. There is absolutely no mention of "the Antichrist" in the book of Revelation.

The context of the four passages makes it clear that, 1. even in John's day, many antichrists had already come, 2. antichrist is anyone who denies Christ, 3. the "spirit" of antichrist is already in the world, and 4. any person who denies Christ as "coming in the flesh" is "the deceiver and the antichrist".

A brief study of these passages will reveal that at no time is the word spelled with a capital "A". So "antichrist" is neither a name nor an official title. It's an adjective or noun, but not a proper noun.
 
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jpgrdnr said:
There's some good stuff in here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Days_(eschatology)

that touches on the cross-cultural valuation of end times. To answer panic in paradise's question.
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Ugh this is why I don't like wiki, anyone can edit those pages and which Christians are they talking about? Yes end time is depicted as a time of tribulation that precedes the second coming of Christ. Christ will face the emergence of "antichrist" as in the spirit of "antichrist" because the devil will have influenced so many people against him, but won't be any Single Person who is an "Antichrist" . Christ will conquer the "spirit" of "antichrist" , and usher in the Kingdom of God as it says.

A few quick google searches or even read the scripture itself and you will discover there is no such thing as an "Antichrist" . As I said "antichrist" is simply denying Christ, so if you're an atheist, you are a lowercase "antichrist" because you are against him. Also again, in scripture it is never used with a capital A. "anti" means to oppose - against - as we should all know, and if you dig deeper in those "wiki" articles, click on "Antichrist" and you will see it even the wiki page uses the term "antichrist" lowercase. I hope this helps clear things up.

IF anything capital Antichrist would be the devil / satan himself.
 
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WOW!!!! I knew/hoped this post would make for a good discussion,but sorry for getting everyone so torqued up....Guess Im gonna do some reading because Im wrong about what Ive grownup believing and bein taught.Everybody is saying that there is no such figure as the antichrist....Thought the 7 years of tribulation was verification of the antichrist
 
L2R said:
suppressing jokes took some effort. it took a walk away to come up with something serious for a response. so here goes.

the original christians were called that name on account of their being "christ like". this is defined by self sacrifice to the cause of spreading christian beliefs and stories. some christians only donated money or time, and others sacrificed their lives and became martyrs. the hagiographies of martyrs and saints became the gospel of the church. giving your life is the most christian thing to do, since that is what christ did.
so if the antichrist is meant to come in the name of the christ and god, but doesn't follow christian virtue, through failing to live "christ like" they would reveal their falsity. no one on earth fits this picture than modern christian extremists and fundamentalists. those who in the name of the bible focus on an eye for an eye, rather than on forgiveness, are the antichrist.
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i can agree with that. and also see AC standing for Alternating Current: a shift from good to evil, positive or negative, or draining to giving.
 
Mihai6Yu9Ri said:
The Antichrist will probably be more of a "Backwards Jesus"... Meaning that, "he" will be a complete surprise. No one will see it coming because they are reading the wrong "signs".

"He" will probably come because "God" is angry with "us".

It can be speculated that this "Backwards Jesus" will use "the system" to "his" advantage... Eventually climbing up to the top of "the pyramid", to impose "his and or his 'fathers' will".

"He" could be here now, and we will probably only know "he" was here, only after "the end".
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i think Jesus Jesus, Jesus Christ was confusing enough at times for a "Backwards Jesus" to appear and cause much trouble.

sounds pretty interesting, though, in theory.
:D
 
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