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Dr. Wants Me To Quit Weed To Assess ADD Meds

Rangrz, no need to subliminally dick-size (euphemistically stated). We're all good at our own thing. I seriously doubt you could school me in debate and English, but I'm not about to flaunt it.

People have a tendency to abuse the fuck out of amphetamines, whereas I think cannabis is one of the easiest drugs not to overdo. Just my 2 cents.

I beg to differ. Ask anyone who gets psychosis after smoking a couple hits.
 
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Rangrz, no need to subliminally dick-size (euphemistically stated). We're all good at our own thing. I seriously doubt you could school me in debate and English, but I'm not about to flaunt it.



I beg to differ. Ask anyone who gets psychosis after smoking a couple hits.

But he was talking about my subject. I bet you would be much better at debate and English while sober or on a stimulant than if you just smoked 5 or 6 huge bongs hits.

He claims weed helps with physics? Well, in the spirit of empirical science (like physics) let's do an experiment and test the hypothesis!
 
Generally speaking, in Canada all Doctors are De Jeur private practice. They may have hospital privileges, or rent space at a clinic, but they bill the government health insurance organization directly, under their own name and license number and are not paid by the hospital, clinic or any other private organization. This does not apply to certain cases, namely Cosmetic Surgery, Laser Eye surgery and other uninsured procedures/types of care. But for something like ADHD, it is how it works. Physicians here do get samples of drugs, but generally speaking, they don't sell drugs. You go to a separately owned pharmacy to fill your Rx...even for an injection, you go the pharmacy and return to see the Dr/Nurse to have it administered. O.R. supplies/etc hospital stuff is still filled by a pharmacy that is intermediate to the pharma company.



Yes, we're telling him, in the interest of harm reduction, that he should follow the advice of his physician, and take a substance she Rx's and which has extremely strong empirical evidence showing it to be highly effective to treat his condition, and to be extremely safe if taken as Rx'd. What's the problem? Amphetamine is not physically addictive by the way. Neurotoxicity is only shown in vivo at FAR higher than medical dosage regimes. Whereas the effectiveness and safety of it is shown in vitro in randomized, double blind controlled studies in humans. Many of them, actually.

Science: Regardless of if you believe it or not.If you like it or not. It still works, bitches.


Just for the record, I never told him not to follow his physicians advice. Just gave him my perspective on the issue, since He and I both have similar feelings on the subject. If he has faith in his psychiatrist and wants to follow her advice, then that's his prerogative.

I've been seeing a psychiatrist off and on for a few years while i was in and out of chemical dependency programs for opiates. I've now been clean for over a year and a half and all 4 psychiatrists I've been to all still treat me like I'm some kind of pariah. Not to mention in the program I was in they would straight up lie to the patients on a regular basis about how "they'll never stop being an addict" and they have a "beast living inside them that they'll always be fighting" and that they need to "put faith in a higher power" in order to get clean.

When doctors tell me to put my faith in a higher power, I tell doctors to suck my fucking cock. You overcome addiction by accepting responsibility for your actions, growing a pair, and dealing with your shit like a normal human being. Not by being a pussy and resigning to a life of self-deprecation and self-fear. When I realized that, getting clean became as easy as getting over a bad case of the flu.

Oh, and just for the record, they're doing all of this while prescribing even more addictive drugs to their patients. They wanted me to be on 8mg of suboxone every day for the rest of my fucking life. Trading one addiction for another does not equate to sobriety. Taking my cheap fun opiates away and replacing them with shitty expensive ones just makes you an asshole and a drug dealer.

Amphetamine probably is fairly safe when taken as prescribed; however I do not know a single person who's ever been prescribed it who lasted longer than a month without starting to have too much fun with it. It's a highly addictive substance that is typically considered a much harder drug than Cannabis is. If you can manage yourself through using cannabis medicinally, then I think you'll be a lot better off. But maybe I'm just a dumbass or something.
 
Rangrz your like the biggest pharm junky here, what are you on about. And amphetamines aren't as safe as you believe they are, even at prescribed dose they are setting you up for long term dopamine deficiency, heart problems, etc. Just cause you take 100mg+ of amphetamine a day doesn't mean everyone who has a few signs of ADD should be destined to. + it is doing nothing to correct his 'disorder' just a big short term mask.

Regarding the OP, although i know stopping a long term weed habit is a pain in the ass, maybe try taking a few day break before you go in for your assessment. It will give the doctors a better analysis of what they are working with, and if you can't do that definitely do NOT smoke before you go to the doc's office. It does make a difference.
 
Fuck the doctor! Haven't you heard?! Weed doesn't affect people with ADD and ADHD the same way it does most others! It actually promotes better concentration! Here in Cali, you can get a medical green card for that!
I myself have ADHD and I can tell you from experience the shit works! I always study my physics books while high; I couldn't study them without it!

I agree it helps you focus while you're high if you smoke the right amount, but it can still cause cognitive impairment when you're not high if you're smoking it often enough.
 
Taking 100mg amphetamine daily is setting you up for problems; its a good thing most of us who are prescribed it don't make the mistake of doing this. Please don't get into an Ad Hominem trap (attacking Rangrz).

Here are the facts: amphetamine is well-studied and millions (if not more) of prescriptions are doled out for this medicine each month; billions of amphetamine doses have been taken by billions of people over the past half-century in all kinds of settings, but mostly out in the open (its been observed by society and de-facto deemed as melding well with the way society functions) yielding all kinds of pieces of information on it; thus have countless scientific and real-world experiments been done on it. Any severe problems it causes are from taking amounts which no sane doctor would prescribe and/or abusing your medication (basically taking it how you weren't told to). Don't fucking abuse it and I swear you won't be one of the .001% who has problems with it.

Many can function well on marijuana, but there are a hell of a lot more that can't even on a low dose whereas who can't on a low dose of amphetamine? Weed is unpredictable in most populations to say the least. More so weed has hardly made its way into academia and science the way amphetamine has; it simply hasn't been scientifically affirmed as a decent medicine for ADD/ADHD (I'm not talking about physical ailments - I can comment on this if one so wishes). Sure, its physically safe, but mentally at the level of THC currently seen in most cannabis (which has never been seen before in history without a high CBD level tempering the effects - in hash) the jury is out, and recent evidence (read: the last ten years) has shown it highly associated with psychotic disorders in many people, particularly those who already have a mental disorder (not necessarily schizophrenia or bi-polar); it may furthermore just as well cause depression as fix it. In most regions its un-regulated to; you could be getting 10% THC or 25% THC in your weed (odds are its on the upper end). Not to mention the sad fact that its illegal. Would you really want to risk your house, car, or college funding for a dub? Don't trip, that shit can get taken away for a small amount in most municipalities.

Now I am a firm believer that amphetamine is very soft when used by prescription (assuming one didn't fake symptoms) and weed can be as hard as a bad trip if used by the wrong person even in a low dose.

But he was talking about my subject. I bet you would be much better at debate and English while sober or on a stimulant than if you just smoked 5 or 6 huge bongs hits.

He claims weed helps with physics? Well, in the spirit of empirical science (like physics) let's do an experiment and test the hypothesis!

Some people with ADD/ADHD have been known to be peculiarly effected by cannabis - basically it can improve cognitive abilities; as for a mess of cannabinoids versus methylphenidate or amphetamine you'll find overwhelmingly the latter to produce greater intellectual and cognitive ability even in this population but we can't simply ignore the outliers, which statistically speaking I would doubt OP is, but hey. But again, I wouldn't recommend OP try to self-medicate with weed. Its actually kind of laughable to me, especially when stimulants work so well.
 
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Rangrz your like the biggest pharm junky here, what are you on about. And amphetamines aren't as safe as you believe they are, even at prescribed dose they are setting you up for long term dopamine deficiency, heart problems, etc. Just cause you take 100mg+ of amphetamine a day doesn't mean everyone who has a few signs of ADD should be destined to. + it is doing nothing to correct his 'disorder' just a big short term mask.

Strawman: I *use* to be like that. But I was also a meth addict and opiate addict. I have not done opiates in 6 months, have not done meth in probably year, and frequently take lower than my Rx'ed quantity of amphetamine, sometimes I take more, but all in all, seeing as I don't buy or otherwise get any beyond my Rx, and usually give some of my Rx away, I take less than prescribed. It was not even hard for me to kick my habits...it came more or less spontaneously.

Double strawman: I always openly admitted I did street drugs. I never claimed that I even intended to not abuse my Rx at that time (negating the taking Rx as Rxed turns you into rangrz...doing mad amounts of street drugs and doctor shopping turns you in rangrz) Equating my abuse of pharms at large, like opioids, benzos, barbiturates, ketamine vials, purchased on the street, via online pharmacies, obtained by having a few questionable friends at various times who happened to be physicians, or doctor shopped...to simply filling a legit Rx from your physician is similarly a straw man argument.

@ho-chi-minh...fully agree with your post.
 
I had similar shit with my doctor(s).

I'd say you should lie, get the medication, see if it helps you but then try and take a break from weed at some point you feel comfortable doing it because it will probably be beneficial. Smoking weed everyday can make you a bit foggy but for me that clears up after less than a week of abstinence.
The medication is pretty good, helping me a lot.
I quit weed for 6 months before, didn't improve anything, just made life more boring.
 
It can come with some pretty uncomfortable side effects, like insomnia, anxiety, irritability, dehydration, etc.

so the point of this thread has expired? shall it be closed?

It's still pretty safe. Those side effects are not particularly common nor particularly severe in most people. Weed comes with similar side effects (anxiety, irritability, insomnia) and it's own set of side effects too.
 
I only had anxiety with concerta. Weed gives me more anxiety than a prescribed ritalin dose. Never caused insomnia for me if I didn't take it near bed time.

But I'd say just use it when you need it, rather than all the time. You need to be able to deal with your ADD/ADHD without the aid if medication imo.
 
Strawman: I *use* to be like that. But I was also a meth addict and opiate addict. I have not done opiates in 6 months, have not done meth in probably year, and frequently take lower than my Rx'ed quantity of amphetamine, sometimes I take more, but all in all, seeing as I don't buy or otherwise get any beyond my Rx, and usually give some of my Rx away, I take less than prescribed. It was not even hard for me to kick my habits...it came more or less spontaneously.

Double strawman: I always openly admitted I did street drugs. I never claimed that I even intended to not abuse my Rx at that time (negating the taking Rx as Rxed turns you into rangrz...doing mad amounts of street drugs and doctor shopping turns you in rangrz) Equating my abuse of pharms at large, like opioids, benzos, barbiturates, ketamine vials, purchased on the street, via online pharmacies, obtained by having a few questionable friends at various times who happened to be physicians, or doctor shopped...to simply filling a legit Rx from your physician is similarly a straw man argument.

@ho-chi-minh...fully agree with your post.

not my forum but i still notice and appreciate your composure and skill in your responses.
 
I also suffered from the man junk side effects of Strattera. OP I would strongly advise taking a few days off smoking to be sober for your doctor and get your tests done. If you're willing to take amphetamines I would recommend Vyvanse. Adderral made me feel speedy, and concerta gives me nausea and migraines like crazy. Vyvanse is designed to be difficult to abuse because of the way it metabolizes so you would have an easier time quitting if you don't like it. I can tell you that it only hurts you to lie to your doctor. Your health is a serious thing.

As someone who had REALLY bad ADD and wasn't diagnosed until I was 21 and struggling in college I can tell you that if you really have ADD that proper medication can change your life. I smoke synthetics, real bud in the past, and trip on 2c's and vyvanse is always gentle enough to keep me focused and not harm any of my indulgences.

I don't mean to sound like I'm pushing drugs, but medication worked very well for me.
 
Especially in the United States, not everyone has access to a smörgåsbord of different doctors/psychiatrists to choose from.

One would think that would make a person value the one doctor they have access to enough to at least try what they are suggesting for a short period of time. Why waste the time and money going at all if you won't at least try what they suggest? Being apposed to taking medication is one thing and i completely understand that but we aren't even talking about that. We are talking about quitting pot for a very short duration in order to assess psychological medication that the patient wants to take. It's akin to me lying about my refined sugar intake when going to a nutritionist to lose weight.
 
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Don't tell your doctor you smoke weed. I did that with one and now he's more stingy with the script pad...

Honestly i wouldn't quit for a bunch of adderall, weed is way better.

You can always sell the adderall though...just saying.
 
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