[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

[N0 W4RN1NG]

^Shaggy, most of these compounds are sold on invite-only type places - if you don't have access to them it might be difficult to find MN-18.

EAM-2201 and 5F-AKB48 are easier to find, and discussed at length just a few pages back in the very thread.

EAM-2201 is not like AM-2201, much closer to JWH-210.

Also, even though it's been said 100 times in this thread already, 5F-AKB48 is a lot better than regular AKB-48, although that's not bad either.

EDIT: j1m1th1ng, that's insane man! I would never wanna use a-pvp and 25b at the same time - the vasoconstriction must be intense! Not to mention coming down off of pyrovalerones while tripping is a real drag. And the fiending from the a-PVP would probably make you wanna toke more, even though the 25B was still in full effect, sending you into a trainwreck of an experience! Be careful with that, man.

 

[ShaggyFin]

^Shaggy, most of these compounds are sold on invite-only type places - if you don't have access to them it might be difficult to find MN-18.

EAM-2201 and 5F-AKB48 are easier to find, and discussed at length just a few pages back in the very thread.

EAM-2201 is not like AM-2201, much closer to JWH-210.

Also, even though it's been said 100 times in this thread already, 5F-AKB48 is a lot better than regular AKB-48, although that's not bad either.

Thank you. I have found out more about 5F-AKB48 since my last post, but MN18 is still being illusive and I will look into EAM-2201 if it really doesn't act like AM-2201, that stuff was BAD.

I am thinking of maybe trying one of these pretty soon though.

I want to make a blend that I can smoke when I am out of weed, but I am going to put it on MJ trimmings so it still feels/tastes like smoking weed (for the most part).

 

[David the Chansey]

MAM-2201 is great man, nothing like its scary cousin AM-2201.

 

[ShaggyFin]

MAM-2201 is great man, nothing like its scary cousin AM-2201.

So EAM-2201, MAM-2201 and 5F-AKB48?

I'm thinking about trying the AK first, since I am skeptical of AM's... But I will possibly try them all over time.

Question, what are the doses like? Are most cannabinoids the same. I remember JWH was supposedly .005g (5mg) per dose, but I never had a scale when I was a kid, so I just used the tip of some scissors to "guestimate", I know that's a terrible idea, lol. I have a scale now.

 

[David the Chansey]

5F-AKB48 is weird lol.

 

[ShaggyFin]

5F-AKB48 is weird lol.

How so?

Can anyone give a comparison to actual marijuana? I just realized we are all experienced enough with synths, that we accidentally just talked about everything in terms of comparing chems to chems. Lol.

Like for me JWH-018 and 250 (when they were legal) were like Cannabis multiplied to the point that cannabinoids were a "real" or "hard" drug. It was almost bad. I was smoking a gram a day eventually, and it only lasted like an hour at a time, so a LOT less time high than MJ (not that we waited an hour in between sessions). And I feel like after smoking JWH, I have lost the ability to get as stoned as before from regular bud... I don't mind it though, because it's almost like by body "accepts" marijuana better and easier and uses it more for thought than for "I'm so high"ness.

 

[ledlight]

So They ARE addictive.....

Back in November a job opportunity came along with meant no more smoking weed for my husband and me. We learned about synth cann blends and picked some up (yeah I know the blends are bad). We smoked a variety of 'brands' even tried some 'herbal hash'. Well my husband has now gone away for a month at a camp and didn't take any of course.

Well, it's been 1 week and he called me and said that I should flush whats left. It's bad shit when you stop so it really can't be good when doing it....it's doing something to our bodies/brains....I guess we are the guinea pigs, lol

He has experience with various drug addictions (as do I) and for him to tell me that is stuff is addictive is a strong statement coming from him. He says that he's had a headache everyday (today was the 1st day with no headache finally), he says that he is bruising! - We've been together over 8 years and he does NOT bruise easy, but he says he has quite a few bruises - odd. No appitite, upset stomach. etc. No it's not the flu.

These symptoms started the days after he stopped smoking (we have been smoking daily - multiple times a day redosing).

I always knew these were bad news, and I said that we shouldn't smoke it every day, but here i am now, not wanting to get rid of my precious unknown chemical blend.....(the fact that the though of not having it gives a tinge of anxiety tells me that yes - it's addictive)

I did flush the "herbal hash" I had left. it was always a bit weird, and I didn't care for it much -even though I was smoking it alot lately. It was strong and could feel like getting hit in the back of the head (you could actually feel sensation there) and it makes my feet hurt if I get REALLY (too) high on it...... odd.

I didn't get rid of my other blend - it's mild and will be done tomorrow.... then I guess it's my turn to see how bad withdrawl (if any) is. It's sooo easy just to go to the store to buy more though - so if i do get withdrawls - that will make it harder- but I won't buy it. I'm stopping this shit.

I need to stop all the shit. i guess 1 step at a time. This is why they are RC's though - and I'm doing my research, lol.

If the withdrawl is bad, sucks to be me I guess - but I knew it was risk getting involved in an RC, lol. I'll keep everyone updated.

Peace.

 

[ShaggyFin]

So They ARE addictive.....

You shouldn't smoke blends, that's ridiculous. Just get the pure chems. No withdrawls and it's not addictive, it's just like weed, I smoke weed all day too.

Also, can anyone give me the vape temp for 5F-AKB48? I'm just wondering how good it would work in an e-cig.

And just to ask again... Does anyone have information on dose?

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

^ Exactly. I'm sorry you're having a rough time, ledlight, but I've been smoking synthetics for around half a decade, and I don't get withdrawals at ALL if I have to go without it for a few days. I only use the pure chemicals though, and 99% of the time, I vaporize them off of aluminum foil, so no combustion actually occurs.

Shaggy, a dose of 5f-AKB48 for someone who's used to synthetics (but not like a chain smoker) is around 5mg. It lasts about an hour.

EAM-2201 is about twice as strong, and lasts a little longer, too.

I agree with the above poster who said 5F-AKB48 is a little "weird". Maybe weird is the wrong word - it just has a slightly different feel to most cannabinoids. It's nice though - starts out very stoney AND heady, but the body stone mostly fades by around the first half hour and you're just cruising in a sativa place for the next half hour or so.

NOT a good one for sleep. Not stimulating, by any means, but if I use some 5F-AKB48 before bed, I'll just be lying down, feeling relaxed and enjoying music, not feeling like moving but also not really sleepy.

 

[nogood]

Ive had headtrip and cloud 10 xxx extreme and then started makin my own blends first with 5f-ur144 and that chem is nuts not at all like weed it feels like someone strapped rocket boosters to ur noggin and let a rip. Now I use 5F-AKB48 which is a lot closer to the thc feeling than any other noid at least to me. And heres the real kicker i made my 5f-akb48 into a butter for a No Bake Oreo Cake 2 one inch cubes and you are lit complete body high just like pot brownies and lasts 3-4 hours great way to save ur noids unfortunately if u got things to do the same day u consumed one of these your boned

 

[ShaggyFin]

Question, has anyone tried putting this stuff in hash? Like adding a little to real hash for a boost?

^ Exactly. I'm sorry you're having a rough time, ledlight, but I've been smoking synthetics for around half a decade, and I don't get withdrawals at ALL if I have to go without it for a few days. I only use the pure chemicals though, and 99% of the time, I vaporize them off of aluminum foil, so no combustion actually occurs.

Shaggy, a dose of 5f-AKB48 for someone who's used to synthetics (but not like a chain smoker) is around 5mg. It lasts about an hour.

EAM-2201 is about twice as strong, and lasts a little longer, too.

I agree with the above poster who said 5F-AKB48 is a little "weird". Maybe weird is the wrong word - it just has a slightly different feel to most cannabinoids. It's nice though - starts out very stoney AND heady, but the body stone mostly fades by around the first half hour and you're just cruising in a sativa place for the next half hour or so.

NOT a good one for sleep. Not stimulating, by any means, but if I use some 5F-AKB48 before bed, I'll just be lying down, feeling relaxed and enjoying music, not feeling like moving but also not really sleepy.

Thank you for the detailed dosage infoa nd comparison

Ive had headtrip and cloud 10 xxx extreme and then started makin my own blends first with 5f-ur144 and that chem is nuts not at all like weed it feels like someone strapped rocket boosters to ur noggin and let a rip. Now I use 5F-AKB48 which is a lot closer to the thc feeling than any other noid at least to me. And heres the real kicker i made my 5f-akb48 into a butter for a No Bake Oreo Cake 2 one inch cubes and you are lit complete body high just like pot brownies and lasts 3-4 hours great way to save ur noids unfortunately if u got things to do the same day u consumed one of these your boned

So eating it works well, that is something I am very happy to hear. I could never "noticeably" get JWH into a brownie. I tried putting it in BEFORE cooking and slipping it in AFTER, just to make sure I* wasn't destroying it with heat... But I never felt like it did anything.

 

[ledlight]

YEAH - I do regret smoking the blends. But HEY I'm not having the withdrawls!!!! My husband is.. I won't know till probably tomorrow if it'll effect me.

I would have just got the chems straight but I was just your regular daily pot head for years then suddenly out of the blue (Nov) I had to stop weed (couldn't pass up the massive job oppurtunity)... and now I never really thought weed was addictive... that's because I never tried to stop. But I didn't like the weed withdrawl - I knew about the "blends" for a couple years but said I'd never smoke them, but there I was in my local head shop once again having the conversation with my friend (they worked there). I bought 2 types and was very impressed with the results. Weed withdrawl away! I don't like the "unknown shit" but buy RC's through the mail was eerie to me also, it's not as easy since I am in Canada (I THOUGHT).

My plan was to buy some straight chems right away off the internet and stop the blends. But even though it's my fault (for smoking the blends) and for all I know the herbs in it are addictive! lol. I think I am just going to try to stop everything for a bit. (I'm doing a bit too much of a lot of things I probably shouldn't be lately, lol).

I have read that various canniboids were addictive though? (am2201). What causes that? I don't fully understand what a full agonist vs non actually means in terms of addiction. (I also read one caused a heart issue?? read it on a forum - any truth to that?)

 

[nogood]

So eating it works well, that is something I am very happy to hear. I could never "noticeably" get JWH into a brownie. I tried putting it in BEFORE cooking and slipping it in AFTER, just to make sure I* wasn't destroying it with heat... But I never felt like it did anything.

well see the thing of it is you have to metabolize it if your consuming it orally so just like THC you must put the chem into an extra fatty butter and that butter can be used on anything as long as you keep the temperature below 250 degrees F and because your eating it it will take an hour to actually kick in and its different than smoking it its a body high instead of a head fuck good luck in your journey through the new culinary arts

 

[ShaggyFin]

well see the thing of it is you have to metabolize it if your consuming it orally so just like THC you must put the chem into an extra fatty butter and that butter can be used on anything as long as you keep the temperature below 250 degrees F and because your eating it it will take an hour to actually kick in and its different than smoking it its a body high instead of a head fuck good luck in your journey through the new culinary arts

I never even thought of that, but it makes so much sense. Just treat it like hash, lol.

 

[ShaggyFin]

But I didn't like the weed withdrawl

Weed withdrawl? Like you wanted to smoke, or you were on the floor shivering while your body begged you to not stop?

 

[hx_]

vvv Ridiculously stupid disinformation warning vvv

You shouldn't smoke blends, that's ridiculous. Just get the pure chems. No withdrawls and it's not addictive, it's just like weed, I smoke weed all day too.

Also, can anyone give me the vape temp for 5F-AKB48? I'm just wondering how good it would work in an e-cig.

And just to ask again... Does anyone have information on dose?

The thing that makes blend addictive IS the chemicals.

The pure chemicals are by far easier to get addicted to due to cost (low), smell (none) and burnt plant tar (none).


For oral btw (easiest way to avoid the redose compulsion) I dissolve whatever cannbinoid at 1mg/ml in sunflower oil. Takes 40 mins or so to affect, although if you have a tollerance and addiction already then there aint much point.

I never even thought of that, but it makes so much sense. Just treat it like hash, lol.

Not true, taking weed orally means that the drug has to PASS first pass metabolism - but not all of it is metabolised. The unmetabolised bit is what is actually getting you high, It's not like THC is a prodrug for the thing that gets you high, it IS the thing that gets you high. Same with these cannbinoids.

 

[ShaggyFin]

The thing that makes blend addictive IS the chemicals.

The pure chemicals are by far easier to get addicted to due to cost (low), smell (none) and burnt plant tar (none).

Are you saying that these things are guaranteed addictive? I'd say that's false. JWH, yeah I smoked it all the time, but once you have a steady supply of cheap weed, then it's easy to stop.
It's not "addictive" it's just like you said, Cheap.

For oral btw (easiest way to avoid the redose compulsion) I dissolve whatever cannbinoid at 1mg/ml in sunflower oil. Takes 40 mins or so to affect, although if you have a tollerance and addiction already then there aint much point.

Not true, taking weed orally means that the drug has to PASS first pass metabolism - but not all of it is metabolised. The unmetabolised bit is what is actually getting you high, It's not like THC is a prodrug for the thing that gets you high, it IS the thing that gets you high. Same with these cannbinoids.

So... putting powder on brownies after they cook, should work just as well as putting it in butter, according to what your saying? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm seriously just asking.

 

[hx_]

Are you saying that these things are guaranteed addictive? I'd say that's false. JWH, yeah I smoked it all the time, but once you have a steady supply of cheap weed, then it's easy to stop.
It's not "addictive" it's just like you said, Cheap.



So... putting powder on brownies after they cook, should work just as well as putting it in butter, according to what your saying? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm seriously just asking.

First point, you're being daft putting words in my mouth.

They can be really addictive, mainly due to the way tolerance grows massively which means withdrawals can get to the point that they're unbearable. As well as the way some people love to get stupidly high (higher than weed will go). Not to mention the derealisation, difficulty with speech and instant buckets of sweat the moment any anxiety appears. (some of the 'quitting' symptoms, if you refuse to believe that they cause withdrawals.

THese compounds are full agonists to the CB receptors whereas thc is a part agonist. If you don't know what that means its vaugely like the difference between subutex and herion. With synthies taking the place of the smack.

There was a point last year where it took me 2 months to get over my addiction to 2201 and Im currently quitting 2233 due to being a dumbass and repeating my 24/7 use. Thankfully this time it's only a couple of weeks to deal with rather than 10 months. The last two were a hit an hour, I'd wake up after having not smoked for an hour without fail.
To give you an idea of the tolerance levels I'd got to to: it was about 500mg a day vaped.

When I went through those withdrawals that I actually had to take proponanol for my blood pressure as it skyrocketed dangerously high, my poo wasn't solid for almost 7 days, I didnt sleep for over a week and after that soaked the sheets in sweat every night for over a month. Couldn't keep water down let alone food, sometimes couldn't even keep the contents of an empty stomach down.

That's not even mentioning the dispair, helpnessness, scumminess and pure abject failure and doom that mostly went away, eventually.

You know that slightly dizzy, sicky to the stomach and hard to eat/burpy feeling when you smoke for a few days then stop.... thats a milder version of what I just mentioned. At first I noticed those and decided just to smoke more to get rid of em.

To be fair the problems only start when smoking 24/7.





ANNDDDDDDDD

As for oral: It won't dissolve in water and dissolves damn slow in oil. Eating it probably wont do anything, I've never noticed any effects. It's probably goling unabsorbed and literally going down the loo. With oil you just need 50% more of a dose - 5mg becomes 7 and lasts well over twice as long.

I take an empty spirit bottle, fill it with oil, add the same number of mg as ml ground up really fine, then leave the bottle in front of a heater for a few hours slothing it occasionally to get rid of the little chunks at the bottom.

 

[ShaggyFin]

They can be really addictive,

Exactly, CAN be, but are NOT. It depends on the person, it's not the chems fault.

I take an empty spirit bottle, fill it with oil, add the same number of mg as ml ground up really fine, then leave the bottle in front of a heater for a few hours slothing it occasionally to get rid of the little chunks at the bottom.

I'm confused on this part though. If it has nothing to do with metabolizing (because previously you stated that it is the UNmotabolized cannabinoids getting you high), then what is the difference between putting it in oil, or putting 1 dose on each brownie after they have cooked?

 

[ledlight]

Weed withdrawl? Like you wanted to smoke, or you were on the floor shivering while your body begged you to not stop?

HAHAHAHA - On the floor - cold sweats!!! J/K!!!!!

I didn't sleep to good, was a bit bitchy, got pissed off a bit easier. Nothing major, but I expected nothing I guess, lol. Not to mention the REALLY wanting to smoke it. I think it was all in my head but I didn't like it...lol. Who would though right! lol. Going from daily to nothing was weird. Not like quitting cigarettes though of course (I quit that years ago and now THAT sucked).


Some GREAT views on the addiction level of the pure chems. If it is simply based on person to person - I better watch out - I know I have an addictive personality. lol