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Can I inject 24mg Hydromorph Contin?

choss

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Hey its 2013 now and i just got ahold of some 24mg hydromorph contins in Canada that look like this (same color, same window-like image, except mine say 24mg): http://www.pharmer.org/files/images/Hydromorphone Hydrochloride (18mg).preview.jpg

I want to try IVing a portion of one tomorrow. I've crushed them via screwdriver and shotglass before and snorted them but my nose gets hellaplugged for multiple days when i do that. Does anyone know if u can still IV these?!?!?
 
Hey its 2013 now and i just got ahold of some 24mg hydromorph contins in Canada that look like this (same color, same window-like image, except mine say 24mg): http://www.pharmer.org/files/images/Hydromorphone Hydrochloride (18mg).preview.jpg

I want to try IVing a portion of one tomorrow. I've crushed them via screwdriver and shotglass before and snorted them but my nose gets hellaplugged for multiple days when i do that. Does anyone know if u can still IV these?!?!?

Hi choss, welcome to Bluelight :) BDD is a fast moving forum and it's best to start your own thread rather than posting in an old thread, you'll get more replies that way too.I'm going to make this into its own thread for you.

Are the capsules you have actually the same color? The 24mg Hydromorph Contin capsules are grey.

24 mg
Each grey, controlled release capsule, imprinted with "PF" and "HYDROMORPH CONTIN" and the strength "24 mg", contains hydromorphone HCl 24 mg. Nonmedicinal ingredients: colloidal silicon dioxide, dibutyl sebacate, ethyl cellulose, hydroxypropylmethyl cellulose, magnesium stearate, and microcrystalline cellulose; capsule shell: gelatin, iron oxide, and titanium dioxide.

Regardless, these would be a terrible idea to inject. Definitely vein destroyers and could easily cause worse complications than that. Perhaps if you used a micron filter to remove most of the inactive ingredients, but I'm not sure you could even make a solution in water with these, they'd probably gel up.
 
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Hi choss, welcome to Bluelight :) BDD is a fast moving forum and it's best to start your own thread rather than posting in an old thread, you'll get more replies that way too.I'm going to make this into its own thread for you.

Are the capsules you have actually the same color? The 24mg Hydromorph Contin capsules are grey.


Regardless, these would be a terrible idea to inject. Definitely vein destroyers and could easily cause worse complications than that. Perhaps if you used a micron filter to remove most of the inactive ingredients, but I'm not sure you could even make a solution in water with these, they'd probably gel up.


Yea they are grey, I crush the beads and snort em but my nose gets stuffed so i want to shoot em and filter with cotton. Im not going to be adding any heat. Has anyone shot these recently?
 
Ive shot various dosages of the hydromorph contins but not the 24mg ones. I can mostly get my hands on the 18's which are the yellow capsules. Do not inject 24mg's of hydromorphone in one shot if you do not have a very high opiate tolerance. That would be a lethal dose to someone with little to no tolerance. Also if you have never IVed don't start now. I won't lie IV hydromorphone has a rush like no other opiate i have tried but it is also the most compulsive one Ive had by far. I find myself shooting up every 4 hours or more if i have enough. The rush only lasts a few minutes (20 minutes tops) then your just left with nothing and you can't get that rush back until you start to feel abit sick or until the shot has worn off completely.

If you have to try injecting these pills a micron filter is a must. They don't gel up but they are by no means the most clean pills to inject. Do not shoot 24mg's at once unless you have done it before. I would suggest trying a quarter of a pill at first which would be 6mg's which would still give you a nice rush. 24mg's will have me rushing hard and i have been using opiates daily for about 7 years (mostly morphine and hydromorphone) and have been a IV drug user for 3 years. 24mg's is over kill and might even kill you so start with 6mg's. You can always take more but it's kind of hard to take less :\

I would still strongly advise against IV drug use though. This is not even mentioning that many people including myself call hydromorphone the crack of opiates due to it's really compulsive nature. At my worst i was shooting up 16mg's or more of dilaudid about 5 times a day which is absolutely retarded. I never went back to snorting it once i shot up dilaudid so don't say you where not warned :\
 
Just in case this guy has IV'd crushed beads from Hydromorph Contins, it is bad, just as bad as IV'ing Kadians without a wheel filter for example (Kadians have talc).

Because silica is just as bad as talc (or maybe a tiny bit less bad if you want to perform dichotomy of impossible to remove lung contaminants).

Silica, or more precisely silicified microcrystalline cellulose found in the old american (where else?) Opanas, this post here explains real well that americans get screwed royally and dangerously with those Opanas (any version past the originals I would think) : http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-375577-p-16.html (gigolo's post).

According to purdue's pdf on HM Contin

http://www.readbag.com/purdue-ca-files-hydromorph-contin-capsules-pm-en

Hydromorph Contin inactives are : silicon dioxide, dibutyl sebacate, ethyl cellulose, gelatin, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, microcrystalline cellulose and titanium dioxide.

I suggest adding that to the Inactive Thread at http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/534538-Inactive-Ingredients-A-to-Z for the sake of Canadians' safety, Hydromorph Contins are most likely the most common injected substance around here. I've snorted some maybe 9-10 times and injected some maybe 25 times. I do not know wheter I am fucked and if I should continue fighting the fight called life but the latest x-ray's and CT scans I had for my lungs do not indicate anything terrible, other than very minor scarring due to pneumonia 3 years ago. (they say it's very minor, but the effects are pretty major...at least it has been almost a year since I have spat out black shit (when I used to chain smoke cigs, which was also when I was IV'ing Dilaudid (relatively safe, brand name has only 2 very mild inactives : lactose, magnesium stearate).

I knew all that before IV'ing too, but when my guy was showing me that he only had HM Contins (he usually had both at all times, and also Supeudols (OXY IR)..anyway..) I was pretty mad, but I was hoping that this shit wasn't much water soluble (silicon dioxide), in fact, I never knew how much it was, but I was indeed triple to quadruple times filtering before injecting. And it still kept some of its extended release qualities even then after a 15 minute grinding session in a mortar and pestle.

Just an example, my left lung seems to be getting these pinchings right now, I assume it is just like every autumn since 2010 and I'm about to get bronchitis and or pneumonia. No worries about that, my family doctor is possible to see under 5 days and cefzil saved my life a couple times I'm pretty sure.

I've also had 2 pulmonary function tests since that pneumonia....honestly I think I am safe from silicosis and I'm just living with the bad effects of a very hardcore pneumonia in 2010 and another (that was treated way better by my pneumologist..yeah i'm already acquainted by lung doctors, had some minor asthma and they found very very tiny pulmonary nodules on me in 2007 before I even injected anything so I have yearly CT scan controls).

It still ends up scaring the shit out of me and is one of main reason of benzo use.

tl;dr Please add the inactives of Hydromorph Contins to the inactives thread, it is the #1 abused pharm by IV users in Canada by far, I considered myself pretty damn lucky to be getting brand name Dilaudid all this time the last 2 years before this one (and cursed everytime I was sold HM Contins).
 
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^ OMFG i've been IVing those things for a year and a half on and off and loads of them too. Fuck me! My cough has not gotten worse (I've always had the wake up in the morning and cough up shit 2 pack a day smokers cough) and my lungs never got quite back to completely normal after i had pneumonia back in 2010 which went untreated for over 2 weeks and was not drug related, my last chest x-ray came back fine and all that but fuckin hell i could get it 10 years from now!

HM contin is one of the most abused opiates where i live and no doubt the one IVed the most often. Ever since they took oxycontins off the market everyone has switched to hydromorphone (or morphine either) in dilaudid form or more increasingly HM contin. People never eat the things they only snort or IV them so there are gonna be alot of people here wind up with this in a few years down the road.

This will be a near epidemic in some places in a few years if it's as big of a risk as people seem to think it is.
 
Haha, are you me ? The pneumonia part is so damn similar, except that I was treated at the ER, first with shitty Biaxin,which turned out I was allergic to (extreme diarrhea after just 2 pills), then they switched me to something evil from the evil class of fluoroquinolones, then I went back to the ER, they gave me Hycodan syrup (yum) and gave me an emergency appointment with my pneumologist (really that ain't english?) lung doctor, whatever, and he scripted me CEFZIL. That antibiotic is the most mild feeling, totally non dangerous but POWERFUL antibiotic I ever had and I always just ask for this one, especially when I was on methadone and that student doc was gonna script me Avelox and I had to tell her, hell no I am not taking Avelox, don't you have a tiny hand computer to verify for side effects, the combo is really dangerous, you want me dead or what ? And then I was given cefzil again and that was it.

I'm not sure you are fucked with silicosis dude, they would have told you at your most recent x-ray that something didn't look right from the results.

People never eat the things they only snort or IV them so there are gonna be alot of people here wind up with this in a few years down the road.

This will be a near epidemic in some places in a few years if it's as big of a risk as people seem to think it is.

Yep...this is pretty bad, I actually think it is worse for the snorters, they get ALL of the powdered HM Contin beads right in their airways, while with injection at least the silicon dioxide is most likely not making it through injection kit filters enough to be massively dangerous...but yet again, I'd like somebody to tell us about the solubility of that compound in water.

Didn't want to freak you out man. But yeah, Dilaudid > HM Contin, even if I was sold a 30mg HM Contin I was pissed because I knew I was playing with fire and eating them is only worth it with the 30's, but they cost a bunch more than the typical 12's and 18's. I don't think it works like that that you could get silicosis in the future....results from silicosis would be seen immediately even if there isn't any hardcore symptoms going on with you.

Since I moved out of Montreal I do not spit grey/black shit all the time, I have to be an idiot and roll botches into zig-zags when desperate for a smoke and out of money for a while for this to happen now, and I don't do it anymore. Since I had to go back to my mom's house to help her financially due to lazy piece of shit stepdad, I ain't allowed to smoke much inside and that reduced my nicotine intake a lot. Gotta find positives somehow :/

Purdue played with people, they played me, partially, my guy could still have gotten some OXY IR's/Supeudols, but when Oxycontins were removed, he also stopped having those, even though they never were removed (and not even made my Purdue...as far as Supeudols go...Sandoz makes those, OXY IR, I forgot). Shooting up dilaudid is one of the most blissful thing I ever experienced (over and over ;p). I don't understand the "bolos" like we call em here who think HM Contins shot up is better. Sure, if you want to shoot up a whole 18mg of HM Contin at once, I'm gonna say good luck....hmm, I guess that explains why the people who claim they are superior to Dillies for shooting up (facepalm) were mostly peddling with 12mg and less HM Contins...but even if I crushed the thing so it looked like blow in texture, it wouldn't give me an instant amazing rush like dillies, it would sort of come in waves and often made me puke (it's pretty hard to know what the hell you're doing when injecting half a 18mg, it's not necessarily 9mg). Well whatever, I'm gonna help them the only way I can and it's by pushing for the inactives to be posted in the inactives thread.

I got some lormetazepam and midazolam here, and yesterday upon verifying that I had to use them, both at once, 15mg midazolam, 2mg lormetaz, thank god. I got them for a special occasion and that was the right time, goodbye exotic benzos, but damn I fucking slept well, I'm gonna write health canada about allowing Versed in pill form here!

Anyway, the biggest irony of it all was that the day I got out of my 6 day startup methadone inpatient treatment, generic oxycontins were for sale, on that very day.

I've had some when I was still on methadone, just skipped takehomes, and damn... I missed it, oxycodone is so wonderful, the yanks are lucky with their oxymorphone...

Hang in there, check the silicosis symptoms, I have a hunch you're fine.
 
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I caught pneumonia from the brutal cold in Ottawa in winter and the state of the place i was staying in. I didn't make the mess it was already beyond repair when i got there and i'll even link you to a short story in words about it if you want :\ . Worst time of my life ever! I would have killed for codeine syrup let alone hycodan syrup. Fucking bitch ex i had even held out on me and wouldn't split a 200mg M-esslon with me :!

Funny you mention Kadians cause me and my ex occasionally got them though i usually managed to get the M-Esslon's even if i had to pay a few bucks extra. After i got cotton fever from them that one time (it was the water but still) they made me nervous. I had no idea that they had talc in them though. I knew that talc was something to look out for and not IV under any circumstances so i never would have willingly IVed them. I hace never seen them in Newfoundland or even know anyone that does. I shot Demerol pills twice and i found out later they had talc in them. Demerol is so not worth it.

Oh microcrystalline cellulose is totally insoluble in water from what i have read so i think it might be the snorters who get hit with this shit. As long as IV users filter their shit good i'm guessing this particular ingredient won't be a problem for them.
 
By the way, just wanted to tell Swimming Dancer that they do not gel up, they are beads inside a gelcap, not like MS-Contins. They make for a cloudy solution which after filtering even 3 times leave some amount of powder behind and gets clear then, so at least whatever is not water soluble stays behind. Thankfully this is not silified microcrystalline cellulose, but just regular MC. The biggest concern remains the #1 inactive being silicon dioxide, but I have a feeling that is part of the bead,and most of the bead material when crushed is what seems to stay behind. From the 20-25 times I shot crushed HM Contin beads,the biggest side effects I got was sudden extreme nausea and propulsive vomiting. Because of how they do not seem to give a full on TILT better than orgasms x 100 rushes. They seem to keep some of their ER qualities even still, a high is produced, which increases in waves of semi rushes and then they'd make me VERY SLEEPY. Not anything like good old brand name Dillies, but I'd get em to fight withdrawals when the asshole dealing to me would show up with nothing but these.

Still not a good idea to shoot up, at least I had SteriFilts half the time I did this.
 
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^ The needle exhange here has been out of sterifilt filters for some time now because they can't find a supplier the last time i checked. So i am stuck with cottons unfortunately as i haven't the cash for micron filters. Funny that you mention that the solution stays cloudy because for me it always comes up crystal clear. I don't think the 18's which are the ones i usually get are any different then the rest of the strengths so it wouldn't be that.

After some looking on the web it appears that Silicon Dioxide is not soluble in water so that's good news for the likes of us. I am definitely going to tell anyone snorting the hydromorph contins what the risks are. Granted 99.9% of the time it will do them no good because of course they know it all even though they never do any research on it 8) . I really really miss having a script for the name brand 4mg dilaudid's because they dissolve in water almost instantly. The 8mg ones are even better and leave hardly no fillers behind. I hate having to crush the HM contins to bit's because if you don't you won't get all the hydromorphone in the pill. Even when you do crush them up to bit's some is still left behind so i always do a wash on them.

I never got any of the side effects you mentioned from the HM contins and it feels the same way dilaudid does to me.
 
i never personnaly had a probelm with IV the 8mg(i think) pink hydromorph contins. way easier to deal with then the kadian morphine gelcaps i found. i used a mortal & pestle to grind the beads up then put desired amount in cooker, 1ml of water, cotton filter, and inject. i found those damn kadians were way messier to deal with the brand name hydromorph contins sjut "seemed" less unhealthy

and yeah the solution for the hydros always came out clear with a hint of brown, looked like good heroin in the rig. but those kadians are nasty to shoot. i would just crush the beads of the kadians up and plug with a 10ml oral syringe
 
Kadian beads contain talc, watch out! I think M-Eslons do not, so maybe go with that. and yeah P_A, I buy my sterifilts online, way cheaper than microns and serve the same purpose. The solution for me was only cloudy prior filtration ;p I could indeed get em totally clear after 3 filtering sessions. I had an obsession with the yellow dye that made it's way when filtering brand name 4mg dillies though, even though 8mg's are preferable.

Last time I got some before the whole ORT bullshit was PMS generic dilaudid and those contain a lot of crap. Even if I was to get off suboxone right now, the guy I dealt with no more has any of that. He is scripted Kadians now and methadone 1mg pills for breakthrough pain....I don't understand either. And he deals shitty OxyNeos 40's. When I tell him there's generics and that with his contacts he should be able to get them he disregards what I have to say. He's a shithead and a reason why I got away from that previous lifestyle. Now my headaches only come from bupe...bleh.
 
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