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Heroin H, I don't get it..

I just acquired a mg scale. Given that, can someone assist me with a responsible and moderately safe dosing guideline? Im going to attempt titrating up in 5mg increments after an initial dose of x amount.
 
You really shouldn't dude...seriously, think of the consequences this could have on your life.
That being said, if you're dead set on doing more, it depends what your ROA is. I snort most of the time and if you decide to do that I'd recommend maybe starting around 40 or 50mg, you might have to take a little more since you've already got an oxy tolerance, but I'd start with that if I were you. But really, PLEASE reconsider this.
 
SaosinEngaged said:
I just acquired a mg scale. Given that, can someone assist me with a responsible and moderately safe dosing guideline? Im going to attempt titrating up in 5mg increments after an initial dose of x amount.
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We don't know how strong your dope is... so it's going to be tough to give you an accurate milligram dose.. it's not oxy where the strength is clearly known. The purities of H vary incredibly.

You said you started out with doing just a match size head of it. Well, start with that again and if in an hour or so you still don't feel where you want to be, do another match sized head. Work your way up cautiously. Or better yet.... just don't do it, man. Hah. I know you're going to anyway, but I do wish you'd reconsider. That shit brings only pain.. short-term gratification, yes... but long-term misery. You decide if that's a fair trade off for you.
 
SaosinEngaged said:
but to be honest, I'm almost too damn scared of it to really attempt more. (Probably a good thing, but still) and I certainly still have a tolerance to opiates.
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I think your mind this trying to tell you something very profound. Please pay attention to it and stop while you still can. Stick with what you know and especially what is of a known quantity and quality in the pills. It might be the most important decision you make.
 
The reason I'm going to do it anyway is because for the next few days I won't have any Oxy, am out of Suboxone, and because my birthday is coming up and my wife has plans for me. I'd rather not be off throughout the weekend. I did pick up a decent amount of H that is just sitting here; I don't know hardly anyone who could resist using it when they're out of opiates otherwise.

For shits and giggles, I called my connect and inquired about purchasing more. They said they have absolutely no idea when and if they'll be able to get it again, because they don't deal in H 99% of the time. That's a done deal. I have what I have, and I won't be getting any more.

With all that said, I'm just going to proceed as cautiously as humanly possible. Picking up a MG scale considerably cut down my angst, because at least logically I can stick to doses that can't possibly be harmful given my tolerance and the amount of drug. For instance, starting with 10mg, which at most, could only be 10mg of heroin (assuming an impossible 100% purity), and going up 5mg at a time, slowly and carefully.

I think it's the best compromise. I know you guys understand where I'm at. I'm scared to shit of it, but I still want to carefully experiment with it, however doing so in the safest way possible.

This is snorted, btw.

I'm just hoping that sticking to a very regimented dosing routine where I'm not just eying out lines and half assing it, but instead measuring and dosing in small increments, will keep me from any long term physical harm.

However, if by all means, you guys think I've a reasonable chance of killing myself following a dosing structure like this, I'll flush everything down the drain right now.

Thank you all for the advice. Please don't think I'm not listening to you all; I am. I'm heeding the warning and will not take it at all without it being measured out and in small increments, applying a very high level of precaution, even more than I was in the beginning.

Mods: If it's alright, please keep this open so I may report back with how things went. This will probably take place tomorrow.
 
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Fair enough...just please be careful yeah? If you start at a low dose there's no reason there should be any problem. Just please try to make sure you don't use H again after you get more oxys :\
 
I'm definitely not saying anything new here, but I(and a million other people on here) started doing exactly what you are, buying some heroin when we ran out of oxy(scripted or otherwise)....and umm, that was kind of that. Oxy addiction is certainly a bitch, but heroin can lead you to a whole new level of hell.
 
I was addicted to oxycodone for a year before I started doing H. The effects are completely different... I only really nodded on Oxy at the end of a long day or if I took really high doses but usually I'd have to combine with Morphine.
Compared to Oxy, I really felt the effects of heroin to be very underwhelming, not going to lie. The only reason I ever got it initially was the few times I ran out of Oxy and smoking heroin barely kept me well, even though I only took Oxy orally.
However, where Oxy always gave me tons of energy and I took it solely in the morning before work and just slept thru minor WDs and started over every day, H was a very foggy, sleepy feeling.

I was never impressed or interested in H until 3 months after quitting Oxy I relapsed but had burned bridges with the only big time Oxy dealer in town so I could only get Oxy and morphine off and on. H was always available. With my tolerance at that time, smoking it all day was producing little to no high. So I switched to IV and last all control of my habit for a very long time.

In conclusion, H is not worth it really for me unless IVed. But IVing will absolutely ruin your life. Just enjoy your Oxy, trust me. I miss those days, the high was so much better. Now I'm on methadone and even when I taper off after my IV habit and methadone oxy will never work again.
 
Chiche and common usage progression:

Prescriptions (usually eventually oxy)---> large unsustainable oxy habit---->using heroin in between having no oxy---->developing more of a taste for heroin--->soley doing heroin because you're "saving money" (at first)-----> tolerance to Snorted/smoked heroin increases quickly, spending tons of money again-----> Starts IV'ing-----> Good luck coming back.

Now, I'm sure I missed some smaller steps along the way and I didn't give a timeline for when this all happens beause it varies for people... but this ^^ happens a lot, almost like clockwork. I've heard the same story 10,000 times.
 
^^ as have I. I understand the road H use leads down to for most all too well.

For the purposes of this thread, I was digging for info on the physical side of the drug. How it compares to oxy, what is a normal reaction, what may be abnormal. What may signal a harmful cut? Dosing do's and don'ts, opinions and experiences, etc.

Of course, any and all input is welcome and I respect the passion/concern you have for your fellow bluelighters :).

H has alway been the opiate I'm the least familiar with, save for the obvious, the basics, and its relative potency. I always practice (and recommend ) the utmost caution in dosing new opiates, and the way this hit me the first few times honestly surprised me (wasn't at all what was expected) which is what lead me to making this topic. To discuss it with the friendly knowledge collective that is Bluelight. :)
 
SaosinEngaged said:
^^ as have I. I understand the road H use leads down to for most all too well.

For the purposes of this thread, I was digging for info on the physical side of the drug. How it compares to oxy, what is a normal reaction, what may be abnormal. What may signal a harmful cut? Dosing do's and don'ts, opinions and experiences, etc.

Of course, any and all input is welcome and I respect the passion/concern you have for your fellow bluelighters :).

H has alway been the opiate I'm the least familiar with, save for the obvious, the basics, and its relative potency. I always practice (and recommend ) the utmost caution in dosing new opiates, and the way this hit me the first few times honestly surprised me (wasn't at all what was expected) which is what lead me to making this topic. To discuss it with the friendly knowledge collective that is Bluelight. :)
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Lovely...
 
H will rip out your fucking soul


So not worth it...

Anyone with real sense knows where the end is at

You got 2 choices

Live or die
 
guerrilla said:
the decision was already made, he was merely looking for confirmation.
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Yeah I realize that...just makes me sad. The first thread I made in this forum was asking if I could get away with just using heroin recreationally, everyone told me no, don't do it you'll regret it etc., I didn't listen and I ended up with a daily addiction that turned to IV'ing a few weeks ago.
I just wish OP could be smarter than me and actually listen to the advice he's given here.
 
Regarding cut, a while back the OP asked about dangerous cuts, and generally you don't have to be too worried. I mean, unless you're getting something that's totally bunk (once, once I was burned soooo bad, some fuckhead sold me a bundle of bags with fucking chili powder in them... thank god I snorted one first) dealers don't want to kill off their clientele, not even slowly. The heroin is enough on it's own of a danger to users not being able to continue acting as consumers for dealers to have to worry about... Normally cut is lactose, laxative, diphenhydramine, back in the day I think quinine was a big cut, but generally they're either non-psychoactive (lactose; baby laxatives) or mildly so in a way that "potentiates" certain of dope's effects (diphen increasing sedation for instance).

Just to point out, if it hasn't already been, the effects of a small dose of heroin will be very different (euphoria wise, not other side effects like resp depression necessarily) is one is used to taking whatever other opioid. E.g. If you're used to taking X dose of oxycocdone for however many years, taking a break from the oxycodone or not waiting and trying the heroin during late w/ds from oxycodone use, it won't be nearly the same as if one was more or less opioid naive (as I was when I first started using heroin, as I'd take 40mg oxycodone and get fuuuuuuck or 20mg hydrocodone and have fun at the time once in a while).

Granted, heroin is a dangerous fucking thing (but so isn't other potent pharm opioids?), but I can't help shake the idea that so much the negatives related to using heroin have much more to do with the circumstances under which we (in most of the western world and elsewhere) are forced to use heroin. Any thoughts?
 
SaosinEngaged said:
^^ as have I. I understand the road H use leads down to for most all too well.

For the purposes of this thread, I was digging for info on the physical side of the drug. How it compares to oxy, what is a normal reaction, what may be abnormal. What may signal a harmful cut? Dosing do's and don'ts, opinions and experiences, etc.

Of course, any and all input is welcome and I respect the passion/concern you have for your fellow bluelighters :).

H has alway been the opiate I'm the least familiar with, save for the obvious, the basics, and its relative potency. I always practice (and recommend ) the utmost caution in dosing new opiates, and the way this hit me the first few times honestly surprised me (wasn't at all what was expected) which is what lead me to making this topic. To discuss it with the friendly knowledge collective that is Bluelight. :)
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That's great to hear and I'm glad you understand everyone's concern and are not just shutting it out. But I do have some compassion that you might be getting frustrated that most of the replies have been about why not to use heroin as opposed to how you can reduce the likelihood of physical harm from using it and whether or not the effects you are experiencing are cause for concern. Not that you sound frustrated, your responses have been great :).

I think it's great that you got a sensitive scale and are going to increase your dose by very gradual increments. Aside from what's already been said though I don't think there is much else I can say. Please take people's warnings about heroin not being worth it and there being no real way to prevent addiction aside from not using it seriously, and I'm not sure what else you could do to reduce harm if you're going to use it anyway, aside from always having someone else with you in case you do have any serious problems. Having had someone else around to call 911 has saved my life. I suppose you could get a reagent testing kit, but those can be pretty difficult to interpret for heroin and don't give you much info about cuts, plus you're not planning on doing it for long, right? ;)

toothpastedog said:
dealers don't want to kill off their clientele, not even slowly
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Most dealers don't give a shit, unless they are the high-end ones who don't use drugs themselves and are businessmen first and foremost who really want your repeat business as they are thinking of future profits and not just immediate gains. Also dealers don't know what their dealer cut it with. There was dope where I live that was making people who smoked it permanently brain-damaged and it took a very very long time to get it mostly off the streets (and I highly doubt that was due to any dealers stopping selling it out of concern for their customers). There was also dope that was contaminated with some bacteria that caused flesh-eating disease. Dealers often may not even know if they have bad dope unless they have regular customers and everyone who uses it are dropping like flies.

Also your statement is ironic because heroin itself kills people. Most (not all of course, I'm not one of those people who thinks all dope dealers are evil or something) dealers care primarily about money, not people, and the ones that are only concerned with getting some fast money don't even care about keeping their customers alive in order to buy more drugs from them.
 
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Pagey said:
The first thread I made in this forum was asking if I could get away with just using heroin recreationally, everyone told me no, don't do it you'll regret it etc., I didn't listen and I ended up with a daily addiction that turned to IV'ing a few weeks ago.
I just wish OP could be smarter than me and actually listen to the advice he's given here.
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Wow, sorry to hear that. Great post, though, certainly feels like very earnest and sincere HR advice to me.
 
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