Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[anabolic1979]

My clinic doctors don't care... All they would do is reduce my dose and I've tried that. They don't know as much about this stuff as most patients do! I'm prob going to be on some type on maintenance for many more years and I can't tapper with a med that doesn't work anymore.. It's really frustrating!! It's like I can sense the opiates in my body but they don't fit into the receptors or cause the reaction they once did. Maybe I need a full opiate like methadone... I don't know but I can't continue like this wasting my time and money with a med that doesn't work anymore. At this point what could trying methadone hurt? If it works great! If not then I switch back and I'm back to where I am now.

 

[pbmaster23]

thanks for the info guys, i really need it. but the thing is i can not be in an inpatient program, i have to be outpatient. i cant give up school or miss anymore class jsut because they think the only way to start is as an inpatient. i have to much to do (work school,girlfriend, family) to be in an inpatient program. is there anyway they could just evaulate me, drug test me, give me the suboxone daily at the clinic until i can get take home doses. thats what i need. is it possible to start a sub program like this?? im not gonna give up, i want to stop my habits and get on a sub maintence program


@anabolic & @crazyeights - from my research i would try getting on a short term (IMO and IE a 10 month program) methadone program, taper off it slowly and start whole new sub program, like a restart almost.

 

[kingofcompton]

My clinic doctors don't care... All they would do is reduce my dose and I've tried that. They don't know as much about this stuff as most patients do! I'm prob going to be on some type on maintenance for many more years and I can't tapper with a med that doesn't work anymore.. It's really frustrating!! It's like I can sense the opiates in my body but they don't fit into the receptors or cause the reaction they once did. Maybe I need a full opiate like methadone... I don't know but I can't continue like this wasting my time and money with a med that doesn't work anymore. At this point what could trying methadone hurt? If it works great! If not then I switch back and I'm back to where I am now.

Here's the thing with methadone and "it doesn't work anymore". You'll eventually hit a point with methadone where "it doesn't work anymore". The only real advantage to methadone is that if you get a high enough dose you can't possibly get high if you dose everyday. That also means that you tolerance is beyond that of even hardcore, hardcore junkies and you will have to ween yourself off at some point from a drug that last much, much longer. When you hit the "it doesn't work anymore" stage, you'll feel normal, won't be able to get high, but be in a situation where you are literally handcuffed to it by proximity and the fear of terrible WDs if you just walked away or were incarcerated or something.

I thought exactly what you were thinking in your post a few years ago, got into methadone, and while it was "effective" in the sense that it basically prevented me from skipping doses and being "creative" with my subs, its a much, much bigger commitment and methadone clinics are not places anyone wants to be, especially on a daily basis. If you are thinking of going to done from subs, just take a much higher dose of the subs (8-16 mgs/day) for a while until you get to a point where your life changes enough to the point that you don't have the will/ability to fuck with the sub program. Trust me, if you acclimate to methadone, its really hard not to become a lifetime customer. Its that strong.

 

[thelastclubkid]

I have a question for people who have knowledge about Buprenorphine and methadone who wouldn't mind giving me their input.. I have been on subs for 8 years now ( suboxone for first 6 years and subutex for last 2 years) and for the first couple years I took 2mg - 4mg daily and that was plenty to make my cravings go away. The next few years I could go up and down dose wise without any problem as long as I took 8 mg a day I never had an issue and usually felt pretty good after my dose everyday. Then about 2 years ago I noticed no matter how much I took I still have cravings and feel like I need more but taking any amount more does absolutely nothing! I did switch to subutex a year ago and I'm on the Roxanne brand generic which is even worse but I have the same problem with suboxone only that makes me sick as a dog.. It feels like my body just doesn't respond to buprenorpine anymore and I've been just depressed and constantly obsessed with the whole issue. I never feel like I took opiates like I used to and it subs just don't know what else to do. I figure that I might need a full opiate such as methadone to continue on maintenance therapy but I don't really want to go to a clinic every day. Has anyone heard of a situation like this before? I'm just tired of my meds not working anymore and it's negatively effecting my life big time!! Are there any programs that prescribe methadone take home? Or are they all daily clinics?

there is the ceiling effect which could be producing the psychological effects you describe (e.g. you simply do not get anything like a high from subs) but you should still be feeling analgesia.... the other possibility is that something else is going on like liver dysfunction and your liver is not metabolising the buprenorphine properly anymore (which would require a larger dose)...

 

[joeburden]

ok guys, I've been insuffulating dope for the last few years. then went to detox and was on suboxone for the last year, with a few relapses here and there.

I had a friend give me dope IV'd on monday, and finally shot myself up yesterday a few times.
today, I woke up in withdrawals, and iv'd 1mg of sub tablet.

I wanna make sure im doing it right, cuz it kind of took the wd's away but i didnt get any euphoria at all, so I wanna try shooting 2mg of sub now

i've tried looking thru all of the sub megathread versions but cant find a step by step instructions on iv'ing sub tabs to make sure i did it right and will continue to do so

can anyone point me to which megathread has the best instructions for iv'ing sub?

I have 100unit needles, and cotton. thanks!

 

[OEandricearoni]

ok guys, I've been insuffulating dope for the last few years. I had a friend give me dope IV'd on monday, and finally shot myself up yesterday a few times.
today, I woke up in withdrawals, and iv'd 1mg of sub tablet.

I wanna make sure im doing it right, cuz it kind of took the wd's away but i didnt get any euphoria at all, so I wanna try shooting 2mg of sub now

i've tried looking thru all of the sub megathread versions but cant find a step by step instructions on iv'ing sub tabs to make sure i did it right and will continue to do so

can anyone point me to which megathread has the best instructions for iv'ing sub?

I have 100unit needles, and cotton. thanks!

If you're a regular heroin user, you aren't going to catch a good buzz off of bupe regardless of the dose which you IV. The normal BA of sub is 30% when taken sublingually, but when IV'd its 100% meaning you are getting over 3X what you would had you taken the sub normally.

Ideally you should use a micron filter when you IV sub, but I know most people don't have access to them usually. I don't have any micron filters, I occasionally IV my sub but when I do I usually will cotton filter it several times before i inject. Basically get the solution as clear as you can before you boot it.

Sorry to break it to you but you aren't going to get a good high off sub. It will be very helpful for keeping you out of withdrawals but that's about it. IV suboxone is a bad thing to get into as it's pretty bad for your health. I would start just snorting it instead as it's still twice as strong as sublingual and not as dangerous as IV.

 

[joeburden]

I usually will cotton filter it several times before i inject. Basically get the solution as clear as you can before you boot it.

how would i go about filtering it a few times?
does that mean, draw it up from the cotton, then wash the spoon, and squirt it back into the spoon with a new piece of cotton in it, then draw it up again, and repeat until its almost clear?


ALSO, I've had a few mg's of bupe in my oral syringe for a few days, as thats how i used to insuffulate it.

would it be ok to iv that or should i just do it normally because its been sitting in water for a few days?

 

[Fire&Water]

Make sure the paramedics are at your open door...holy shit

 

[joeburden]

huh? i just did a few more mg's and im fine lol

 

[brutus]

^ That was extremely reckless. You have no idea what kind of microscopic organisms that could be growing in that water.

 

[joeburden]

noo I wouldnt do that I meant I mixed up a new batch

 

[shishka]

Ya subs are def more potent insuffated and have more euphoric feeling. The problem is trying to do that at work is not soo easy. Has anyone tried to use subs to help detox from xanax? Any info would be appreciated. My xan connect just fell off after 7 years of service and now I in bad shape. Subs was scribed to me after coming off massive opiate bender 3 years ago. Subs def saved my life but they very addictive also. Its like legal dope without the crazy highs and lows.

 

[OEandricearoni]

how would i go about filtering it a few times?
does that mean, draw it up from the cotton, then wash the spoon, and squirt it back into the spoon with a new piece of cotton in it, then draw it up again, and repeat until its almost clear?


ALSO, I've had a few mg's of bupe in my oral syringe for a few days, as thats how i used to insuffulate it.

would it be ok to iv that or should i just do it normally because its been sitting in water for a few days?

NEVER IV something that has been sitting in water for an extended period of time. If you want to IV something you should not mix it with water until you are actually about to do the shot. Leaving something sitting in water is a terrible idea because bacteria will grow in the water over time making it dangerous to shoot.

When I say filtering it a few times with a cotton i mean using a new piece of cotton each time. Regardless of how many times you cotton filter it it's still going to have stuff in it besides the bupe. That's why I say don't get into IV sub because its going to be dangerous regardless. You can minimize the dangers with a micron filter, but even with a micron filter it isn't 100% safe.

 

[shishka]

Down in a hole.....listening to hole.....i like to slam and dance and now it is time to go sleepy iiiiiiiiiyyiii.

 

[ilikedrugs77]

Just like the title says..

I have been dealing with depression for all of my adult life, I am 22. I have been depressed since I was 9 years old. It hasn't gotten better, it has gotten worse, and lately has turned more severe. I can barely get out of bed in the afternoon. It's not about getting out of bed in the morning, it's about getting out of bed before 5 pm. This is not healthy, and I know this...

I have tried all sorts of different medications, I have been through therapy many times, I have been hospitalized twice. I have tried to commit suicide a couple times.

I figured out a couple years ago what helps with this depression.. opiates. When I am on opiates everything is better. IT's the ONLY thing that works.

I had a period of time where I was a heroin addict, and I have been on methadone, but am now off. I have been clean for a couple months and I can say 100% that I felt waaaay better when I was on heroin, oxy, vicodin, methadone, ANY opiate.. than when I am clean.

Suboxone doesn't work as well as these other opiates, but when I take it, it curbs my depression to the point where I feel almost like a normal person. I feel fine when I'm on suboxone.

I have never been on subs for a long time. The longest I have been on them was a week. Although it helped then, I don't know if it would continue to help with my depression over a long period of time...

..but I'm thinking of giving Suboxone-maintenance a try as a way to relieve my resistant depression. If I were to do this, I would stay on it for the rest of my life. I have also considered getting back on methadone for the rest of my life too, but I figure subs would be a better alternative because the addiction potential is not nearly as high.

I know that I will become dependent on the subs if I choose to do this, but I am starting to think that it just might be worth it... I'm tired of hating everything, and not being able to talk to people, and not caring about fucking anything.

What do you think? (keep in mind I don't care about being addicted to something, I consider being addicted to a medication, but being free of depression a far better alternative than not being able to get out of bed for the rest of my life.. keep that in mind posters.)

 

[pbmaster23]

still cant find a program thats right for me. is it even possible to start a sub program without having to stay over-night & detox the first few nights of evaluation? this is all im really looking for but i cant find any programs around here that i wouldnt have to detox and be inpatient for atleast a week. im in school and work, i cant afford to miss anymore class and i just cant do the inpatient thing. any help????

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

still cant find a program thats right for me. is it even possible to start a sub program without having to stay over-night & detox the first few nights of evaluation? this is all im really looking for but i cant find any programs around here that i wouldnt have to detox and be inpatient for atleast a week. im in school and work, i cant afford to miss anymore class and i just cant do the inpatient thing. any help????

What do you mean start a suboxone program after having been made to be in an impatient facility? Suboxone is given via prescription by a regular doctor... you show up in withdrawal, and get inducted onto the medication, after which you get a supply to take home and dose yourself. I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to a suboxone program requiring an impatient detox... the point of being on suboxone is that it's an alternative to an inpatient facility...

What country are you in?

 

[shishka]

Yes you can get suboxone without group theray. Have to find the right dr. Look in the suboxone directory first. Tell your dr. That you have been on subs for awhile with great success. This will put them at ease ss you already know how to take. Group therspy is b.s. Just puts you in contact with more users and give opportunity to go back to whatever drugs you were on. Usually they have to submit a blood test when starting you on subs. If you fail tell them its because your old subs dr. Left town and your scrip ran out. This lapse in treatment led you to use again so need to get back on subs immediate. Should give you a month of pills with no refills. You can tell them your doing online group theray if they harass you about that. Some dr's just suvk and want money. Thats why they want you to come 4 days a week and check in. If your on subs the other drugs dont work so really no reason to make it soo hard to get them. If your willing to try them i think any dr. Should scribe for you.

 

[pbmaster23]

i live in the US, SC to be exact. super conservative here. i went to my doc in w/d and he just gave me clonodine and told me i needed to go get "treatment" at this aweful rehab center, they treat you like prisoners there. they have cells, cell mates. only can go outside for an hour. and doc told me i had to detox and get on some sort of opiate or addiction program. i didnt even get a chance to say the word "suboxone" he woldnt shut up and kept treating me like i was crazy.

Edit^^^ @shishka, i dont care if i have to go pick up my sub once a week or once a day, or even going to like group therapy once a week, i cant do more than that but i really dont want to lie to my doctors. they seem like they would go straight through my records and look for that. im only 19 yr/o, in sc, a 19 yr/o with a opiate habit is taboo. they blow it way out of proportion.
-and btw how will i be able to find the best doctor? its quite hard to find reviews for sub docs it seems

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

i live in the US, SC to be exact. super conservative here. i went to my doc in w/d and he just gave me clonodine and told me i needed to go get "treatment" at this aweful rehab center, they treat you like prisoners there. they have cells, cell mates. only can go outside for an hour. and doc told me i had to detox and get on some sort of opiate or addiction program. i didnt even get a chance to say the word "suboxone" he woldnt shut up and kept treating me like i was crazy.

Why the fuck would anyone voluntarily go to a place like that? It sounds like the detox units in jail.