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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

Shambles said:
Avoid KO doses for sleeping would be my advice. Very bad move. Rebound stimulation is a bitch. Fasttrack to becoming a proper fiend :|
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Yeah apparently when they used to treat narcolepsy by giving them a good night of deep sleep they'd have to give them one dose at the start of the night and then another if they woke up again. Still better than not sleeping at all imo.
 
Indeed. But gets to be essential sooner than you'd expect. No fun at all I can assure you :|

Dopamine rebound is intense. You wake up suddenly and speedin yer fukkin tits off. Fine if you're in a suitable situation. Shite if you actually need to sleep cos you just end up redosing and so the 24/7 cycle begins... and you really, really, really don't wanna go there I can assure you ;)
 
I'll bare that in mind then. Ordered some melatonin supplements which are supposed to work quite well so hopefully they help me sort my shit out before I start my new job. Then I won't need GHB for sleep.
 
Aye i've only used it 24/7 for a week but on the second day+ i couldnt sleep without a knockout dose, and i'd wake up in 2 hours 15 minutes bang on everytime and have to redose again, didnt help that i'm shit at grim tasting stuff and gbl is the worst i've ever had, worse than zopiclone powder, so half the time i'd puke back up the dose i'd just had. GHB was much nicer and more begign and just more enjoyable for me, infact i wanna get some more =D
 
I always found redosing pretty intuitive.

I usually dosed about 1.2-1.5 to load and then 0.4 in drinks from there.
 
Using it for sleep is a really bad idea, if you must, definitely don't use it for sleep the following night. I'm fairly sure that most people who have got into the habit of 24 hour dosing and nasty addictions got into the habit by using it to help sleep - l seem to remember the sleep being absolutely incredible for the first few weeks but it quickly went to shit. I would save it for helping to drop off after (occasional!) stim or psych sessions personally.

GBL is the only drug that I can say with absolute certainty I will never use again! It isn't one to get addicted to...
 
Treacle said:
You need to find your sweet-spot for redosing. I tried for years, and still ended up passing out. .... I'm told it's quite frightening to watch me on G.
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All of this. :)

Girlfriends have a hard time understanding. Especially when you pass out with your dick inside them. :|

For what you know of it, being unconscious on g is great. "I was out for an hour? No way man, I've just shut my eyes for a second, show me the clock"
 
I've just shut my eyes for a second, show me the clock"

Hahaha yeah, I've heard that one a few times!
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
All of this. :)

Girlfriends have a hard time understanding. Especially when you pass out with your dick inside them. :|

For what you know of it, being unconscious on g is great. "I was out for an hour? No way man, I've just shut my eyes for a second, show me the clock"
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I like to have a wander off on my own when I'm at clubs/raves so I'd probably end up having someone call an ambulance or at least end up in some first aid bit because they wouldn't know what I'm on.

I'll use the rest of my 25g at home then by then I'll hopefully know my sweet spot and I'll buy like 50g and use it when going out on the weekends (hopefully without passing out).
 
If you're going out, just take one dose and then wait a good while, before touching any more. One dose is unlikely to knock you out, unless it's pretty high, as it tends to initially stimulate you. It's great for dancing, sex, with MDMA/speed/any other drug, really (except booze and other downers). Enjoy, I wish I still could.
 
I'm hoping to source some GBL as soon as I can. Basically want to cut down on the amount of Valium I use for occasional "anti-socialness" (I don't want to say anxiety, as I don't think it is) I get.

So a few questions:

I'm a little worried about this 'knock out dose' if you over do it. How long after dosing would one become unconscious? Is it literally like you go from being awake to passing out, or do you gradually feel extremely sleepy/dopey and then pass out? And is it almost a certainty that someone new to the drug will at one point experience this knockout dose? Or if its taken conservatively, without the goal of 'getting fucking high', could you get by and never pass out?

How long do the effects of a normal dose (i know this is subjective) last for?

How do the effects compare to that of a benzo, in terms of decreased social-awkwardness/anxiety?

Can you appear 'sober' on a 'normal' dose? Ie could it be taken amongst others who wouldn't know you are on it, and wouldn't notice?
 
For me, from functional to KO happens pretty damn fast. I think it's usually 15-30 mins after the dose. I have a bit of time between being functional to being unconscience, but it's not time you can do much with. If I was in a place where it wasn't safe/appropriate to pass out, I wouldn't expect to be able to use the 10 minutes before I passed out to get to a safe place, I'd be too out of it already.

I'd say G isn't one to get to know in a social environment. Learn your limits in a safe environment before taking it in the world.

I'd expect pretty much every G user will at some point knock themselves out. I don't fail because I try to "get fucking high" -- I fail when I misjudge time or quantity for maintaining a pleasant buzz. It's a result of carelessness for me though -- so if you're very consciencious always about your redoses then perhaps you'll never pass out.

I think you can appear as "normal" as you can after a few drinks of alcohol. If someone didn't know you'd had a few drinks, then they might notice you being a bit silly/tipsy, or they might not. At a low dose it's possible to appear normal IMO, but I don't really know because I've been sober with someone using.

I don't know how it compares to benzos as I don't do benzos.

It's short acting -- a couple of hours of effect max.

GBL is a disarming drug, but treat it respectfully or it WILL fuck you over. I love GBL, but I fear my days of innocent enjoyment of it are limited. I don't use 24/7 and don't need to redose to sleep through the night, but there are some warning signs. I use it every day, my doses are getting higher, I need a bit to get to sleep.... I'm most likely on my way to getting screwed.
 
angelsmoke said:
For me, from functional to KO happens pretty damn fast. I think it's usually 15-30 mins after the dose. I have a bit of time between being functional to being unconscience, but it's not time you can do much with. If I was in a place where it wasn't safe/appropriate to pass out, I wouldn't expect to be able to use the 10 minutes before I passed out to get to a safe place, I'd be too out of it already.

I'd say G isn't one to get to know in a social environment. Learn your limits in a safe environment before taking it in the world.

I'd expect pretty much every G user will at some point knock themselves out. I don't fail because I try to "get fucking high" -- I fail when I misjudge time or quantity for maintaining a pleasant buzz. It's a result of carelessness for me though -- so if you're very consciencious always about your redoses then perhaps you'll never pass out.

I think you can appear as "normal" as you can after a few drinks of alcohol. If someone didn't know you'd had a few drinks, then they might notice you being a bit silly/tipsy, or they might not. At a low dose it's possible to appear normal IMO, but I don't really know because I've been sober with someone using.

I don't know how it compares to benzos as I don't do benzos.

It's short acting -- a couple of hours of effect max.

GBL is a disarming drug, but treat it respectfully or it WILL fuck you over. I love GBL, but I fear my days of innocent enjoyment of it are limited. I don't use 24/7 and don't need to redose to sleep through the night, but there are some warning signs. I use it every day, my doses are getting higher, I need a bit to get to sleep.... I'm most likely on my way to getting screwed.
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Ok thanks.

I would certainly test it out at home for the first few times, until I was comfortable with it.

Is one likely to pass out off a single dose? Or is it only redosing which results in this?

And if one was to pass out due to G, is it an unconscious state that one could be awoken from by a friend simply shaking you saying "wake up you lazy bastard". Or are you literally unconscious for a while?
 
It's perfectly possible to pass out from a single dose - infact Id say it's pretty common while people find their sweet spot, unless they are cautious with their dose increments.. and in a G coma there is no waking you until you burst out of it of your own accord a few hours later. It can look pretty alarming and definitely would freak out medical-types who came across you.

Start low, like 1ml (unlikely to do much but I know people who's sweet spot is 1.2mls ish) - wait 2 hours minimum - then try 1.2ml - wait 2 hrs - try 1.4ml.. etc. Obviously that is time consuming and might take you several frustrated sessions, and I suspect most people wouldn't bother haha, but that really is the best way to find out what dose gives you all the effects but doesn't KO you. I find that 0.2ml above my ideal dose makes me feel queasy and spinny; 0.4ml knocks me out.. redosing more often than 2hrly is guaranteed to KO me too. "Sweet spots" can vary hugely as well; mine is 1.6ml, a male friend is more like 1.2ml where as my sister is 2ml. Seems pretty random.
 
I've never met anybody who's used G who hasn't KO'd themselves at least once. Mostly several times. Is very easy to do. Dose-sensitive is not the word. Ms Eff ain't kidding that 0.2ml either side is the difference between feeling nothing and being unconcious and spazzing about like a fish outta water. That's the other iffy bit about people seeing somebody KO'd on G - you don't necessarily just lay still, you often thrash about like you're having a fit. You will remember none of this if/when it happens. It's like one moment you're awake and feeling a bit spinny and woozy and the next blink you snap awake feeling pretty stimulated only an hour or so has passed in the meantime. Nothing will bring you out of it earlier - no amount of shouting or slapping or water in the face or anything else. You will be fine but you are totally KO'd and it does tend to freak folk out if they don't know what's afoot.
 
^ Yeah I forgot that, the spazzing-out stuff can be pretty alarming for spectators 8o

Treat it with respect. Over-cautious is the way forwards with G, especially for a novice.

My most memorable KO was passing out face first into my Indian take-away :( coming round with curry all over *everything* was.. interesting.. that came from not noting the time of my doses properly. Now I am uber-anal about it haha :P I've been lucky though, really. You could easily find yourself taken off to hospital if people around you don't know what's going on.

Never EVER eyeball a dose either, that landed a poster in here in hospital with a dangerous OD.

Also, be very aware of the addiction potential.. most people don't grasp that til it's too late. G addiction is insidious and brutal. Not trying to scare you or anything, I'm partial to a spot of G :) it just needs treating with respect..
 
Have never been anal enough about it to actually take notes meself... but I also KO meself unintentionally pretty frequently so... 8)

I mostly dose at home though - and usually alone - so not an issue. You kinda get to know your reactions pretty well after a bit of practice but that too-keen redosing can catch even the most regular users out. Topups too - when you think you slightly underdid it so add an extra 0.5ml or summat when 0.2ml would have done the trick. Goodnight Vienna for a while 8)

Hehe. Is making it sound so bleedin' tricky to manage all this. It really isn't but you do need to learn how it affects you well before getting adventurous with it.

Also, I owe ya a PM, Ponti. Am a bit knackered tonight but will get on it tomorrow. Hope ya enjoying the mexy. You lucky swine :!;)<3
 
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