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Why so much defense for MDMA

^ pharmaceutical MDMA would fetch top dollar, but could make clandestine chemists clean up their act really. think about it.

some skilled clandestine chemists already make top shelf product. However I think it would make a lot of people "step up their game", start filtering & distilling more and not add cuts afterward.

in the end, less people getting poisoned.
 
^ pharmaceutical MDMA would fetch top dollar, but could make clandestine chemists clean up their act really. think about it.

some skilled clandestine chemists already make top shelf product. However I think it would make a lot of people "step up their game", start filtering & distilling more and not add cuts afterward.

I don't think you're etarded. I think you're egifted.

Hahaha. Sorry that was fucking stupid but what I'm saying is - phenomenal point.

Would have never thought about that but you're exactly right. That's an argument that should be brought to more people's attention for sure.
 
^alcohol is a highly addictive, destructive substance, that destroys every aspect of a person's life - social, economic, personal disease. MDMA is not (should not) be such an addictive substance. Usually people fiend for more when there's other shit in there (like meth). I know way too many people can not stop with a drink, two, or even three. more people than I know who can just have pill, two pills, or occasionally 3. The people who don't are usually getting methamp or m1 mixes. The only difference is one legal, and the other's illegality makes it even more destructive and creates a black market regulated by only supply & demand.

sorry for the lazy last post. i believe drug laws create more problems than they solve. We need a progressive system of education vs propaganda, and legally transparent, regulated white market, for sake of harm reduction, with emphasis on drug abuse prevention and rehabilitation, and a controlled white market from legitimate pharmacies, and regulations in place, such as age, maximum individual quantities/time allowance etc. Obviously people would go to great lengths to abuse, such as get their friends to get the drugs for them. But you could curb that with some hefty fines honestly.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit and some more bullshit. Clean pills make people fiend for them as well. I've watched mdma destroy more people, including family, then most recreational drugs combined. Because everybody out there is saying it's so damn safe, it's people like you blaming the adulterants for all the damn side-effects and negative behaviors, wake the fuck up and stop glorifying MDMA. MDMA can be pretty fucking addicting psychologically, especially for the insecure and unstable. There is NO way to stop abuse if legalized. "curb that with some hefty fines". Has that ever worked for anyone? MDMA shouldn't be more accessible then it already is. Again, comparing something like alcohol to MDMA is the probably among the most retarded things I have ever heard. If MDMA was accepted as alcohol is now, there wouldn't be any room left in the psych wards. Why? Because the general public doesn't practice much "harm reduction" and there will never be a way to control that. Get over it.
 
^ uh, now I have to disagree with you... there is NO way to stop abuse if it's LEGAL? That's completely wrong.


There is no way.. THAT'S CURRENTLY IN USE, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Simple drug education is all that is needed to keep people from abusing MDMA, but unfortunately there is a war on Drug (education) right now that completely stops that. It's when drugs are ILLEGAL that there is ABSOLUTELY NO way to stop abuse my friend.

People simply get told that drugs are bad, and if they do drugs they too are bad.. but they still get those drugs, and they're still going to take those drugs... the most important thing is to help them use drugs safely.


"Just say no" has never worked... and although I agree that MDMA should not be glorified per say, I don't think it should be vilified either. It's a drug, it causes changes in the human body like all drugs do... it's up to you how far you let it change you.









You know me man, you know I've been VERY outspoken in the past on the dangers of MDMA.. but I think most people take it too far either way. It's NOT a safe drug, and it's NOT a dangerous drug... it's just a drug. A great one, but just a drug none-the-less.
 
^ uh, now I have to disagree with you... there is NO way to stop abuse if it's LEGAL? That's completely wrong.


There is no way.. THAT'S CURRENTLY IN USE, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Simple drug education is all that is needed to keep people from abusing MDMA, but unfortunately there is a war on Drug (education) right now that completely stops that. It's when drugs are ILLEGAL that there is ABSOLUTELY NO way to stop abuse my friend.

People simply get told that drugs are bad, and if they do drugs they too are bad.. but they still get those drugs, and they're still going to take those drugs... the most important thing is to help them use drugs safely.


"Just say no" has never worked... and although I agree that MDMA should not be glorified per say, I don't think it should be vilified either. It's a drug, it causes changes in the human body like all drugs do... it's up to you how far you let it change you.









You know me man, you know I've been VERY outspoken in the past on the dangers of MDMA.. but I think most people take it too far either way. It's NOT a safe drug, and it's NOT a dangerous drug... it's just a drug. A great one, but just a drug none-the-less.
You think the average dumb teen will feel the incredible euphoric effects and be like "hmm, better wait a month till i take it again". That's just NOT going to happen, not even with proper education. I don't want it to be like this, but sadly I think most people will just not listen. Same story as binge drinking. People just do it anyway. And the fact that mdma is illegal definitley sets the bar higher to use it, don't you agree? Like it or not there is alot of stigma on illegal substances. Even if for the wrong reasons it does send a message that this is serious shit. I don't approve the "just say no" approach, but I can't really think of a way to properly manage these things if it were legal. People can actually research already, yet alot of people are abusing it and just don't care. It takes a simple click on the internet to get information, yet alot aren't even interested. Making it legal at this point would just make it easier for them to abuse. How would such a system be capable of determining who is fit to get it and who isn't?
 
^ How? I've been thinking on this for a while :)


You do drug education courses. If you want to take a drug, you have to sit through some classes first. At the end you would take a test on 5-HT depletion and all that, and only those who pass would be able to buy pharmaceutical MDMA from a licensed pharmacy.

Is that going to stop all the problems? No. Of course not, that will NEVER happen. But it gives people the information so they can make the choices themselves, and I think that is more important than just telling them if they can or cannot roll.




It's obvious the current system for keeping people off drug is NOT working, so we really need to find other ways to address this problem.
 
You think the average dumb teen will feel the incredible euphoric effects and be like "hmm, better wait a month till i take it again".
i have read quite a few of your posts
And the fact that mdma is illegal definitley sets the bar higher to use it
pfft. its about money you silly boy. not peoples safety. wake up son.
Making it legal at this point would just make it easier for them to abuse.
who are you to tell other people how to live their life. its cool for you to run around scoffing mdma, ket, mxe or what ever else but other people are too stupid to play with these chemicals themselves. hows the view from up their on the horse?
How would such a system be capable of determining who is fit to get it and who isn't?
the same way it determines who is fit for war? how about only those that have a job, or that can drink alcohol 'responsibly'?

seriously outrageous post imo young fella.
 
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Making it legal doesnt mean making it fully available for kids of all ages with big shiny advertisments and endorsments. As it stands pills can be easier to get than alcohol for alot of younger kids with the big shining endorsement of its the cool thing to do and dont be a massive vagina.

The problem of people saying MDMA is totally safe is a problem caused by its illegality imo. Ive been through it first hand. You hear all your life about how bad and dangerous it is and then once you do it all you see is, nah its not dangerous, all that government stuff is bs, i do it twice a week and im fine etc etc. It is really hard to know what to think and even harder to find good information on it. For me alcohol comedowns are often worse and more depressing.

Australia21 did a population study on drug legality in europe and corrosponding rates of drug use and abuse. It found that the harsher the laws and penalties the lower the number of users, but there was a far greater incidence of problem use. If drug use alone is a problem for you, your probably boring or a hypocrite. Problem drug use is what should be getting stamped out.

I binged on mdma last year often going through 400mg+ a night once a week for a few months. It was mostly because i knew no better, and where im from MDMA can be hard to come by. After using once a month or two for a lil I found and good source and bang. Once i started losing the effects and getting a worse comedown i really tried tofind out more about useage patterns, and its really really hard to find solid information. Ive had regular month breaks since then and its only now im realising itll probably be late this year before its worth me coming back to. In the mean time i plan to experiment with some psycs and just smoke some ganj and drink on the weekends and maybe get some speed and vallies for a couple big nights out. Without that the allure of going back to pills would be pretty strong. The other problem is, that moment where I want some in 8 months time, will i be able to get any? For me personally thats a big problem in taking a break with anything

Making MDMA the only legal drug could cause a problem, I think rotating substances can be best for people who really cant not do something reguarly. I dont think it would make things worse than they already are. Its like fat people, thats certainly not good for your health, happyness, productivity but your given a choice. Its knowing the consequences (the actual, real consequences) that make people want to exercise, not banning fast food. Im very concious about my health and well being and if i knew what i knew now Id definately have made much better choices last year.

Having said that I had an amazing time, met some amazing people and learnt enough to come out of it with a clear head.
Folley - Just interested if you have a current source for your recommendations with dosing and useage freqency. I have a mate who is abit too sure of his knowledge of MDMA and his use has gotten to the point where a few of us are thinking of having some intervention type thing =\
 
Laugh, when I asked you not to attack people it meant old users as well as the new ones... you can make those points (in a better way, IMO) without any comments on his personal life... it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth man.

Folley - Just interested if you have a current source for your recommendations with dosing and useage freqency. I have a mate who is abit too sure of his knowledge of MDMA and his use has gotten to the point where a few of us are thinking of having some intervention type thing =\

Sorry friend, there is no real source for any of my info haha.. it's just all been gathered from watching hundreds of cases of MDMA users and reading their experiences. The "6 simple Rules to MDMA" is an AMAZING thread to show newer members of MDMA to open their eyes. Although, it may not stress the dosing part hard enough..

Good luck man, those situations suck.
 
Laugh, when I asked you not to attack people it meant old users as well as the new ones... you can make those points (in a better way, IMO) without any comments on his personal life... it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth man.
lol 8)
 
people with jobs obv dont abuse drugs. oh well im not allowed to give my opinion because of my lifestyle. i'll just do as im told by "the government" or whatever you mean by that, how cliche that stoner line lol, not everything is out to get you but you want to be a rebel. I get that. enjoy your dream of a world full of legal hard drugs. i'll stick to the reality.
 
Bullshit bullshit bullshit and some more bullshit. Clean pills make people fiend for them as well. I've watched mdma destroy more people, including family, then most recreational drugs combined. Because everybody out there is saying it's so damn safe, it's people like you blaming the adulterants for all the damn side-effects and negative behaviors, wake the fuck up and stop glorifying MDMA. MDMA can be pretty fucking addicting psychologically, especially for the insecure and unstable. There is NO way to stop abuse if legalized. "curb that with some hefty fines". Has that ever worked for anyone? MDMA shouldn't be more accessible then it already is. Again, comparing something like alcohol to MDMA is the probably among the most retarded things I have ever heard. If MDMA was accepted as alcohol is now, there wouldn't be any room left in the psych wards. Why? Because the general public doesn't practice much "harm reduction" and there will never be a way to control that. Get over it.

*Addictive.

.... Just sayin.
 
people with jobs obv dont abuse drugs. oh well im not allowed to give my opinion because of my lifestyle. i'll just do as im told by "the government" or whatever you mean by that, how cliche that stoner line lol, not everything is out to get you but you want to be a rebel. I get that. enjoy your dream of a world full of legal hard drugs. i'll stick to the reality.

I have made 120K or more every year since I graduated college in 2006. I take anywhere from 10 to 15 - 30 mg roxicet every day. I also use plenty of other drugs recreationally whenever the opportunity presents itself, because I am a drug addict; albeit a very highly functioning one.

Plenty of poeple who have jobs abuse drugs. They abuse drugs while they are employeed because they can afford it. The problems arise when the drug causes them to lose their job and they continue the downward spiral which they then CAN'T afford, and as a result become unhireable.

"People with jobs obv don't abuse drugs" is by for the most ignorant statement I have ever heard on here. Your opinions aren't frowned upon because of your lifestyle. It's more likely because you're a dimwit.
 
Comparing drinking twice every weekend to once a week mdma use is a joke. To severely etarded I also don't have any meth in my pills, I have them tested and have got from the same guy for 2 years. I don't fiend I just wasn't into drinking at the time and thought it was alot funner doing mdma at the club. Didn't go for that long because obviously the good effects diminish and the bad side effects get greater. People can get addicted to literally anything, but the state a drug puts you in is much more desirable than most things. All of your serotonin was never meant to be released but damn what an experience it is.

Again the point is when most people start they have no clue about harm reduction or anything. I remember I was peaking my first time and we all went out for a smoke. It was a bunch of our first times and we were just having one of those talks. I have an addictive personality, I was going off about how much I loved this shit. I said not gunna lie guys I'm probably gunna do this every weekend, little did I know... I agree with Folley though I think it can be used responsibly if you wait a good 3 months, I say 6 months would be perfect or even yearly, no redosing, a nice starting dose around 100-120. This will never happen though because some people aren't educated and won't research the stuff, as well dealers will always put shit in pills and not everyone is going to do the acetone wash.

I just started using responcibly the last 9 months and I've lost any problems I had. The thing I regret more is I might not regain the magic but maybe with a nice eight month break I've started I can get it back. My last roll for example was on new years, and the only problem I've had since the roll was memory was off. I don't know when most serotonin regenerates but I just had a test yesterday and I aced it. Got 95% on it and remembered everything I studied clear as day. I don't know if 5htp works for this but I just go insane on bananas and oranges, I've easily had over 100 bananas the last month.

Point being last time I didn't follow harm reduction I popped at about ten oclock and then popped another at 3 in the morning and then two weeks later redosed three times in a night, smh. For up to a month later I would feel depressed throughout the day for no reason at all, maybe a month and a half. Simple though you abuse the drug your gunna have major major problems, and if you use it safely or as safe as you can then you probably won't see any problems. But don't say weekly use is comparable to weekly drinking, just makes you look like an idiot and one of the reasons I started this post.
 
wtf? lol, nice reality you have there lad..

You must be slow, that was sarcasm, just repeating what you said.

"the same way it determines who is fit for war? how about only those that have a job, or that can drink alcohol 'responsibly'?

seriously outrageous post imo young fella."
 
Comparing drinking twice every weekend to once a week mdma use is a joke. To severely etarded I also don't have any meth in my pills, I have them tested and have got from the same guy for 2 years. I don't fiend I just wasn't into drinking at the time and thought it was alot funner doing mdma at the club. Didn't go for that long because obviously the good effects diminish and the bad side effects get greater. People can get addicted to literally anything, but the state a drug puts you in is much more desirable than most things. All of your serotonin was never meant to be released but damn what an experience it is.


Again the point is when most people start they have no clue about harm reduction or anything. I remember I was peaking my first time and we all went out for a smoke. It was a bunch of our first times and we were just having one of those talks. I have an addictive personality, I was going off about how much I loved this shit. I said not gunna lie guys I'm probably gunna do this every weekend, little did I know... I agree with Folley though I think it can be used responsibly if you wait a good 3 months, I say 6 months would be perfect or even yearly, no redosing, a nice starting dose around 100-120. This will never happen though because some people aren't educated and won't research the stuff, as well dealers will always put shit in pills and not everyone is going to do the acetone wash.

I just started using responcibly the last 9 months and I've lost any problems I had. The thing I regret more is I might not regain the magic but maybe with a nice eight month break I've started I can get it back. My last roll for example was on new years, and the only problem I've had since the roll was memory was off. I don't know when most serotonin regenerates but I just had a test yesterday and I aced it. Got 95% on it and remembered everything I studied clear as day. I don't know if 5htp works for this but I just go insane on bananas and oranges, I've easily had over 100 bananas the last month.

Point being last time I didn't follow harm reduction I popped at about ten oclock and then popped another at 3 in the morning and then two weeks later redosed three times in a night, smh. For up to a month later I would feel depressed throughout the day for no reason at all, maybe a month and a half. Simple though you abuse the drug your gunna have major major problems, and if you use it safely or as safe as you can then you probably won't see any problems. But don't say weekly use is comparable to weekly drinking, just makes you look like an idiot and one of the reasons I started this post.

I consider myself the luckiest person alive because I have been blessed with the opportunity to study Neurology at the University of Colorado. Not the best school in the world for the subject, but a very, very liberal university thus allowing for some extensive "under-the-table" studies in the lab. My professor, who will remain nameless, has allowed myself and others to do some in depth studies with MDMA, mostly using ourselves as test-subjects, and here's some interesting information for those of us who advocate the drug, as well as everyone else who stumbles across this thread.

First of all: harm reduction is NOT bullshit. It is not only legitimate, it is absolutely essential. MDMA can have some staggering negative side-effects especially in the short-term, and simply put - the better you take care of yourself the less damaging MDMA is. Everything from diet, exercise, sleep patterns, hydration etc... All of the stereotypical good health habits. As well as - and this doesn't get mentioned much - but healthy relationships. People who have healthy interpersonal relationships tend to have better monoamine balance in general, including of course our friend 5HT, "Auntie Sara" "The tonin' of the Sara"... lol.

I have found for me personally, with the proper amount of time between doses, it seems as though my neurotransmitters have infact sensitized to the effects of MDMA in the therapeutic range. For me the TR starts at 130 mg and discomfort begins around the 200 mg single dose; eyes wiggle too much, vision is blurred, lock jaw is extreme. Still a good feeling but not the introspective happiness/feeling of self-worth and empathy that I am looking for when dosing Molly.

Obviously our test segment is small. To be exact there are 7 of us who use the drug and document our experience and the effects, both negative and positive.

In short, it appears that our brains are capable of producing much, much more serotonin then they currently do based on the law of averages. The theory I and my colleagues have developed is that, in the past, the lifestyle of the human being was much different. Think about living in a tribe of 100 people, all of whom you love dearly and would do anything to protect. The presence of chemicaly like serotonin, **oxytocin**, dopamine, epinepherine/norepinepherine, adrenaline etc. would all be present in a much gerater quantities. Just imagine the feeling you get when you meet with 20 family members on Thanksgiving. You walk in the room and immediately feel warm, cozy, comfortable, and full of joy. These feelings are natural, but they are still controlled by neurotransmission. if your brain gets used to producing these chemicals in higher quantities, it will continue to do so on a consistent basis. In the past, togetherness and community had much more emphasis placed on them and were much more common. Thus increasing the presence of the chemicals we are talking about when we discuss MDMA.

In the same sense, as you introduce MDMA in to your brain periodically in appropriate doses/timeframes, your brain will begin to "figure out" what to do with it and therefore use it more efficiently and effectively. Clearly the opposite applies if you overuse the substance. Yes, our brains may be able to produce more monoamines than they currently do, but as someone stated earlier in this thread - messing with brain chemisty is an art, and a very fragile one at that.

I could go on for hours about all of the amazing stuff I have learned about the drug MDMA specifically, but I realize I am running in to the crucial point where "No one gives a shit anymore" haha, so I will leave you all with this. If anyone is interested in hearing more or has any specific questions that I may be able to shed some light on, please let me know and we could start another thread entirely and possibly attract more knowledgeable folks who could bring to light even more "cool shit"!

Love all of the insight I have gained from this thread alone. I study this stuff all the time and I have still been presented with ideas and theories that I would never have thought of. Pretty amazing stuff!!
 
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^^ Good post, interesting stuff. I agree that if you have a healthy lifestyle, MDMA is better tolerated. Wouldn't you agree that actually trying, I don't mean popping a pill, but I mean ACTUALLY trying to get out of your depression in a natural way (working on your social life in example) is the way to go compared to the slippery slope that is messing with your brain chemistry?
 
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