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Why so much defense for MDMA

Folley said:
Wiki, please use the edit function to add on statements.. that's like the fifth triple post you've made lol. The edit button is found at the bottom right of the post you want to edit
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Yeah figured that one out. Most of my activity on here is from my 2-year-old smart phone and it is possessed by the Devil so my apologies. Won't happen anymore.
 
dezz said:
IMO MDMA is fucking disgusting. It makes you feel like you're in heaven for a few hours, and then takes it away from you. Leaving you drained of happy chemicals, and raping your neurological balance. Even if you don't abuse MDMA this can happen, and while it makes you feel that good, it ISN'T WORTH IT. Rolling every 6-8 weeks in an attempt to cure your depression is ridiculous. Am I saying you shouldn't try it? No I'm not, I roll now and again myself as well. But you should damn well know and accept what you are putting your brain and body through by doing so. MDMA along with meth and amphetamines (the regular "speed" kind) are one of the most deceptively evil substances around, draining your soul bit by bit to make you feel good. Now go out hit a club and enjoy your roll :)
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Ok to the 20 people who have flipped out on me about suggesting the "MDMA+Psychotherapy every 6 to 8 weeks in as a different approach to treating depression." Please calm down. 6 to 8 weeks was just a random number, what I supposedly should have said was "Periodically" in order to loosen everyone's panties a little bit. The POINT of that was saying, drugs like MDMA and other fast acting serotonin antogonizing chemicals are simply a different approach to treating depression than the long-term medications that inhibit the reuptake mechanism, and as SOME (not all) studies show, in many patients these same drugs are believed to cause long-term, irreversible damage. I do not believe that MDMA is the answer to depression or anything else for that matter. I'm just saying, I believe it was a mistake to make it illegal and villify it so much before we were able to properly test it and find out what its benefits, if any, actually are.

I personally beleive the apparent "fear diminishing" effect of MDMA are fairly unique to that drug. For specific disorders like PTSD and other disorders that can arguably be pinpointed to specific tragic events that subjects experienced in the past and have trouble addressing in a normal state-of-mind, I think that MDMA could have some profound potential. Even if it's one or two serious therapy sessions in which the drug is used simply to break down the emotional barrier. If nothing else it could help the doctor understand what the patient actually needs to deal with.

You're right - MDMA every 6-8 weeks no matter what the circumstances are is excessive. That timeframe was a mistake on my part, I was simply throwing out the idea and didn't carefully review the post before i submitted it.

Psychotherapy is an extremely inexact science, and it's my belief that it is one of the few areas that MDMA MAY have some actualy medical validity in.

Again, I was just putting it up there to see how people responded and clearly the response was negative. No surprise as most people are extremely bias and have very, very one-track minds. This is exactly why drugs like MDMA and Marijuana are illegal.

Sad, really.
 
ijustlovewikidrs said:
Ok to the 20 people who have flipped out on me about suggesting the "MDMA+Psychotherapy every 6 to 8 weeks in as a different approach to treating depression." Please calm down. 6 to 8 weeks was just a random number, what I supposedly should have said was "Periodically" in order to loosen everyone's panties a little bit. The POINT of that was saying, drugs like MDMA and other fast acting serotonin antogonizing chemicals are simply a different approach to treating depression than the long-term medications that inhibit the reuptake mechanism, and as SOME (not all) studies show, in many patients these same drugs are believed to cause long-term, irreversible damage. I do not believe that MDMA is the answer to depression or anything else for that matter. I'm just saying, I believe it was a mistake to make it illegal and villify it so much before we were able to properly test it and find out what its benefits, if any, actually are.

I personally beleive the apparent "fear diminishing" effect of MDMA are fairly unique to that drug. For specific disorders like PTSD and other disorders that can arguably be pinpointed to specific tragic events that subjects experienced in the past and have trouble addressing in a normal state-of-mind, I think that MDMA could have some profound potential. Even if it's one or two serious therapy sessions in which the drug is used simply to break down the emotional barrier. If nothing else it could help the doctor understand what the patient actually needs to deal with.

You're right - MDMA every 6-8 weeks no matter what the circumstances are is excessive. That timeframe was a mistake on my part, I was simply throwing out the idea and didn't carefully review the post before i submitted it.

Psychotherapy is an extremely inexact science, and it's my belief that it is one of the few areas that MDMA MAY have some actualy medical validity in.

Again, I was just putting it up there to see how people responded and clearly the response was negative. No surprise as most people are extremely bias and have very, very one-track minds. This is exactly why drugs like MDMA and Marijuana are illegal.

Sad, really.
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I think MDMA should be legal especially for theraputic use with psychology, aside from being legal period
 
ijustlovewikidrs said:
Ok to the 20 people who have flipped out on me about suggesting the "MDMA+Psychotherapy every 6 to 8 weeks in as a different approach to treating depression." Please calm down. 6 to 8 weeks was just a random number, what I supposedly should have said was "Periodically" in order to loosen everyone's panties a little bit. The POINT of that was saying, drugs like MDMA and other fast acting serotonin antogonizing chemicals are simply a different approach to treating depression than the long-term medications that inhibit the reuptake mechanism, and as SOME (not all) studies show, in many patients these same drugs are believed to cause long-term, irreversible damage. I do not believe that MDMA is the answer to depression or anything else for that matter. I'm just saying, I believe it was a mistake to make it illegal and villify it so much before we were able to properly test it and find out what its benefits, if any, actually are.

I personally beleive the apparent "fear diminishing" effect of MDMA are fairly unique to that drug. For specific disorders like PTSD and other disorders that can arguably be pinpointed to specific tragic events that subjects experienced in the past and have trouble addressing in a normal state-of-mind, I think that MDMA could have some profound potential. Even if it's one or two serious therapy sessions in which the drug is used simply to break down the emotional barrier. If nothing else it could help the doctor understand what the patient actually needs to deal with.

You're right - MDMA every 6-8 weeks no matter what the circumstances are is excessive. That timeframe was a mistake on my part, I was simply throwing out the idea and didn't carefully review the post before i submitted it.

Psychotherapy is an extremely inexact science, and it's my belief that it is one of the few areas that MDMA MAY have some actualy medical validity in.

Again, I was just putting it up there to see how people responded and clearly the response was negative. No surprise as most people are extremely bias and have very, very one-track minds. This is exactly why drugs like MDMA and Marijuana are illegal.


Sad, really.
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And studies are being done on this matter with psychedelics as mushrooms and LSD, which don't have the potential to harm your neurological system. Don't get me wrong, I get how MDMA use can help with depression BUT I think that kind of treatment should be limited to 1, maybe 2 doses separated adequately from each other MAX. I believe it has helped people with their depression and PTSD in a heartbeat, I also believe that it has made excactly those issues that much worse. With a substance like MDMA, it's a gamble what the comedown might bring, which is why it's inadequate as a realistic treatment (a repeated one) for depression.

It's my opinion that MDMA shouldn't be legal at all. I don't think the general public could handle using something that feels so good in a responsible way. Not everyone researches their shit on bluelight and erowid and that kind of stuff. With alcohol and tobacco, there is room for error, with MDMA it's much easier to fuck up badly without you even knowing it, and you want to make this legal? Ha ha ha....ha.
It's funny how one is considered open-minded when he's all pro-drugs, yet show a little restraint and you're accused of having a one-track mind.
 
Honestly I don't think LSD or mushrooms can really give the kind of insight only MDMA can bring... and giving a PTSD patient a high dose of LSD is certainly not a good idea LOL.



I think everyone here is confusing what MDMA therapy actually is... it's NOT taking drugs and partying at a rave, it's NOT taking drugs your house fucking your wife and it's NOT even you just sitting by yourself at home with only your thoughts. MDMA based therapy is done by a licensed therapist (yes, they already have licenses for this.) in a safe place with a special setting and music designed to bring tranquility, yet still deal with the problems at hand.

It is often achieved in one session, although it may go for two or three sessions... most likely just because the patient wants to do it again haha




MDMA related psychotherapy is an art really, not something that can be done by any old fool.
 
dezz said:
And studies are being done on this matter with psychedelics as mushrooms and LSD, which don't have the potential to harm your neurological system. Don't get me wrong, I get how MDMA use can help with depression BUT I think that kind of treatment should be limited to 1, maybe 2 doses separated adequately from each other MAX. I believe it has helped people with their depression and PTSD in a heartbeat, I also believe that it has made excactly those issues that much worse. With a substance like MDMA, it's a gamble what the comedown might bring, which is why it's inadequate as a realistic treatment (a repeated one) for depression.

It's my opinion that MDMA shouldn't be legal at all. I don't think the general public could handle using something that feels so good in a responsible way. Not everyone researches their shit on bluelight and erowid and that kind of stuff. With alcohol and tobacco, there is room for error, with MDMA it's much easier to fuck up badly without you even knowing it, and you want to make this legal? Ha ha ha....ha.
It's funny how one is considered open-minded when he's all pro-drugs, yet show a little restraint and you're accused of having a one-track mind.
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Alcohol is pretty fucking bad bro... just saying "room for error" is a bit of a stretch. Yet some of today's youths can obtain MDMA even easier than alcohol, despite our drug laws.
 
Oh the alcohol argument. Try drinking heavily once a week for a few months. Now try the same with MDMA. Let's see how the "room for error" compares.
 
Folley said:
Honestly I don't think LSD or mushrooms can really give the kind of insight only MDMA can bring... and giving a PTSD patient a high dose of LSD is certainly not a good idea LOL.



I think everyone here is confusing what MDMA therapy actually is... it's NOT taking drugs and partying at a rave, it's NOT taking drugs your house fucking your wife and it's NOT even you just sitting by yourself at home with only your thoughts. MDMA based therapy is done by a licensed therapist (yes, they already have licenses for this.) in a safe place with a special setting and music designed to bring tranquility, yet still deal with the problems at hand.

It is often achieved in one session, although it may go for two or three sessions... most likely just because the patient wants to do it again haha




MDMA related psychotherapy is an art really, not something that can be done by any old fool.
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I love you. Lol. Glad someone gets it.
 
So you're honestly implying once a week MDMA use is comparable with once a week alcohol? I'm done with this discussion.
 
^alcohol is a highly addictive, destructive substance, that destroys every aspect of a person's life - social, economic, personal disease. MDMA is not (should not) be such an addictive substance. Usually people fiend for more when there's other shit in there (like meth). I know way too many people can not stop with a drink, two, or even three. more people than I know who can just have pill, two pills, or occasionally 3. The people who don't are usually getting methamp or m1 mixes. The only difference is one legal, and the other's illegality makes it even more destructive and creates a black market regulated by only supply & demand.

sorry for the lazy last post. i believe drug laws create more problems than they solve. We need a progressive system of education vs propaganda, and legally transparent, regulated white market, for sake of harm reduction, with emphasis on drug abuse prevention and rehabilitation, and a controlled white market from legitimate pharmacies, and regulations in place, such as age, maximum individual quantities/time allowance etc. Obviously people would go to great lengths to abuse, such as get their friends to get the drugs for them. But you could curb that with some hefty fines honestly.
 
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Hahaha.. Folley, you are by far my favorite person on here.

And yes, as big of an MDMA fan as I am, I agree that arguing that MDMA use can be compared with alcohol use is absurd. I will agree that one dose of molly weekly versus INSANE, blackout drinking weekly... then mayyyybe MDMA will cause less damage, but I highly doubt it.

The point I and others have been making is that we don't really know what MDMA does. We know there are definitely negative and postive effects, and perpahs the negative outweigh the positive, but until the drug is considered more acceptable to test and use in legitimate medical situations, then it's impossible to know for sure. Data data data, until we have way more of it it's all going to be conjecture.

Don't get me wrong- it makes for great bar-talk and open-ended Bluelight forums, but dammit I WANT TO KNOW!!

Lol.

And hell no this discussion is not over. It's awesome. I love hearing all of this. Even the ignorant statements are interesting. They just go to show the lack of understanding that so many people have when it comes to this kind of thing. Love it.
 
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dezz said:
And studies are being done on this matter with psychedelics as mushrooms and LSD, which don't have the potential to harm your neurological system. Don't get me wrong, I get how MDMA use can help with depression BUT I think that kind of treatment should be limited to 1, maybe 2 doses separated adequately from each other MAX. I believe it has helped people with their depression and PTSD in a heartbeat, I also believe that it has made excactly those issues that much worse. With a substance like MDMA, it's a gamble what the comedown might bring, which is why it's inadequate as a realistic treatment (a repeated one) for depression.

It's my opinion that MDMA shouldn't be legal at all. I don't think the general public could handle using something that feels so good in a responsible way. Not everyone researches their shit on bluelight and erowid and that kind of stuff. With alcohol and tobacco, there is room for error, with MDMA it's much easier to fuck up badly without you even knowing it, and you want to make this legal? Ha ha ha....ha.
It's funny how one is considered open-minded when he's all pro-drugs, yet show a little restraint and you're accused of having a one-track mind.
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I'm sorry I wasn't saying that individual specifically had a one-track mind.. I was saying in general many people are close-minded etc. which is why so many things, including MDMA, are made illegal so quickly without consideration for their true potential.

I read my response and it does sounds like I am calling that individual close/one-track minded but that wasn't the intention!
 
severely etarded said:
I think MDMA should be legal especially for theraputic use with psychology, aside from being legal period
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When it really comes down to it, it should at least be Schedule 2 instead of Schedule 1. Example: Oxycontin (heroin) is Schedule 2 and MDMA is Schedule 1. I can tell you from experience that THAT, is ridiculous.

Lol.

I don't think MDMA should be for sale at your local market, but as a Schedule 2 narcotic it would open a lot of doors for doctors/researchers to help realize its potential.
 
ijustlovewikidrs said:
When it really comes down to it, it should at least be Schedule 2 instead of Schedule 1. Example: Oxycontin (heroin) is Schedule 2 and MDMA is Schedule 1. I can tell you from experience that THAT, is ridiculous.

Lol.

I don't think MDMA should be for sale at your local market, but as a Schedule 2 narcotic it would open a lot of doors for doctors/researchers to help realize its potential.
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I think oxycodone is much cleaner than street smack, and pure pharmaceutical grade heroin is used in the synthesis. Anyway, there's plenty of poisonous street smack, the only OC deaths are from taking too much or combining it with other shit. Street heroin is gross.

Plus if it was schedule II, there'd be enough people selling their Rx, quack doctors etc. It would be hard to get, but having a product that is free of any adulterants and only of top notch chemistry, would be rewarding. Kinda like oxy. That's why oxy and dilaudid etc are so much more $ than street dope. They are much cleaner.
 
severely etarded said:
I think oxycodone is much cleaner than street smack, and pure pharmaceutical grade heroin is used in the synthesis. Anyway, there's plenty of poisonous street smack, the only OC deaths are from taking too much or combining it with other shit. Street heroin is gross.

Plus if it was schedule II, there'd be enough people selling their Rx, quack doctors etc. It would be hard to get, but having a product that is free of any adulterants and only of top notch chemistry, would be rewarding. Kinda like oxy. That's why oxy and dilaudid etc are so much more $ than street dope. They are much cleaner.
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Agreed. On top of that people feel safer taking Oxy as opposed to Blacktar... probably because it IS. Lol.

i agree with you completely. It would be awesome to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were getting actual MDMA and not some tainted, deadly street version. There's obviously a ton of arguments on both sides of the subject. I don't envision there ever being a situation where people can go get MDMA at the pharmacy. That would be cool for those people who could handle it, but those people are and still would be few and far between.

I just think it would be cool for things like MDMA assisted therapy to be more commonplace. Maybe we are headed that direction already, I don't really know. Again most of what I'm saying is just conjecture so I'm not sure where legislation etc. is with regards to MDMA.
 
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