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Why so much defense for MDMA

F1n1shed said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. And you believe someone 'medicating' them self with MDMA every 6-8 weeks with a therapist or such would cure their depression? I mean they may gain some realizations while rolling but nothing would be fixed for the long term. They would just be digging them self deeper and deeper into depression / anxiety by throwing their neurochemistry WAY off.

I agree with OP, there are plenty of morons who are pro MDMA who say it is the safest drug and anything bad you have experienced is because of cuts. You would be able to tell if your pills have cuts if you are tripping, or panicing , or heart racing much faster than it normally would with MDMA. Yea MDMA itself will give you a clean high while your on it, but it's deceiving it is doing nothing but dirty things in your brain / body.

I will never forget the first time i woke up after my first 3 doses of MDMA, I felt completely changed and damaged that morning. I looked in the mirror, and saw cracked out pupils, frizzy hair, pale skin, just a meth head looking back in the mirror. I had no idea i would feel that different when i woke up, i really under estimated what the comedown was going to bring.

I definitely think MDMA is one of the most brain damaging drugs out there. I know there are plenty of research chemicals that royally fuck you up as well but i am talking about more of the main stream drugs (meth, coke , heroin etc.) You would be better off doing large amounts of meth 4-5 times a year than doing large amounts of MDMA 4-5 times a year and i am positive on that. And Meth is supposed to be an extremely toxic drug.
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Dude what? There's tons of evidence showing that MDMA is potentially our best chemical for treating depression... Have you ever heard of Shulgin? Jeez...

You'll never forget your first 3 doses? You're not supposed to redose dude, that causes side effects to amplify greatly.

I've taken MDMA plenty and never had a single complaint, didn't feel toxic to me at all, nor do i think it is damaging anymore than drinking a few beers.
 
i hate mdma its just like meth and i dont want to be no meth freak. i only like molly and ecstasy now!
 
According to your expertise, ecstasy is an amphetamine, but MDMA itself does not encompass the entirety of "amphetamines".

And for the record *** ecstasy.

Although i do love MDMA.

To add anything, including but not limited to: ketamine, heroin, "speed" <-- whatever the hell that means, or anything else for that matter.. is a total waste. Unless the sensations and thought processes I have during the therapeutic stages of the experience are drastically different from that of most people, I see no reason why anyone would want to change it all. At ALL. It's majestic, I say!! Goddammit!! Haha.

I have read a bunch of these threads and people seem to use "Ecstasy" and "MDMA" interchangeably. This gets my panties in a wad... even though i wear boxer briefs.

While Ecstasy and MDMA should be the same thing, unfortunately these days, the overwhelming majority of the time this is not the case.

Sad, really.

Dammit now I want to roll. I bet if we were peaking we'd get along a lot better.
 
ijustlovewikidrs said:
According to your expertise, ecstasy is an amphetamine, but MDMA itself does not encompass the entirety of "amphetamines".
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MDMA is in the class of amphetamines, but is separate from classic amphetamine as it is mostly empathogenic in action. It is classified as a "psychedelic amphetamine" on Erowid

ijustlovewikidrs said:
To add anything, including but not limited to: ketamine, heroin, "speed" <-- whatever the hell that means, or anything else for that matter.. is a total waste
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You must have never tried MDMA and ketamine together. Or 2C-B and MDMA... now THAT is magic.
 
Folley said:
MDMA is in the class of amphetamines, but is separate from classic amphetamine as it is mostly empathogenic in action. It is classified as a "psychedelic amphetamine" on Erowid

Thank you for giving me a real response. First one I have heard yet. You DO exist!!




You must have never tried MDMA and ketamine together. Or 2C-B and MDMA... now THAT is magic.
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I actually took a little rollie-pollie at Disney Land of all places, that was allegedly 120mg mdma and like, 4 mg (maybe? does that ratio make sense?) Ketamine. Awesome, AWESOME I TELL YOU for that situation. Riding vibrating roller coasters with techno music blasting out of the seats. Come on, like the Imagineers didn't have us in mind when they made up those machines? Lol.

As the roll wound down my buddy gave me 2-CI... apparently Mr. Alexander Shulgin's favorite drug/creation. I had NO idea what it was. 90 Minutes later My Goofy hat was morphing in to different shapes while hanging on the stall hook in front of me whilest I was shatting. Then I saw a Mexican dude with 4 children on each side of him all holding hands. i was walking toward the amusement park train and realized it wasn't a ride and turned around. The Mexican man left his children and ran up to me saying, "You don't want to ride the TRAAAAAAIn?!?!!?!? It takes you to different PLAAACES!!!"

Needless to say my first 2C experience was... a little tainted. Lol. Maybe 2C-B is better. That will be my next escapade.
 
I kinda agree with you, OP. Ive been using mdma for about 14 years moderately, the hangovers get worse and worse. Had my first run in with Methylone last summer and it was actually a positive experience and I did not have the same worn out hangover I get with mdma.

Ive been keeping it chill, once a month and I don't redose. When I do I feel terrible. I feel like it has done some damage, though. If I never started doing MDMA I feel like I would have more motivation and I wouldnt of developed slight anxiety. Just my guess.
 
Rebubula said:
I kinda agree with you, OP. Ive been using mdma for about 14 years moderately, the hangovers get worse and worse. Had my first run in with Methylone last summer and it was actually a positive experience and I did not have the same worn out hangover I get with mdma.

Ive been keeping it chill, once a month and I don't redose. When I do I feel terrible. I feel like it has done some damage, though. If I never started doing MDMA I feel like I would have more motivation and I wouldnt of developed slight anxiety. Just my guess.
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I heard from a friend who is studying neuro science at USC that there are studies showing that taking 1000mg of acetiminophen (Tylenol) about an hour before dosing MDMA, it coats specific receptors in your brain and actaully serves as a "protective" layer. It's supposed to nix the whole body soreness part of the hangover to some extent. I always thought it was a result of dehydration because the majority of the time when people roll they are super active and sweat a lot. Even if it's not the typical Rave atmosphere, cleary Molly has a tendency to make us, how should I say.. more active? hahaha

Anyway could be total bullshit but give it a shot next time you roll nutsack, and let your fellow Bluelight companions know how it goes!
 
laugh said:
no your'e gold.

whats a wikidrs?
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I realize it looks like "Wicked R's" which would make since because I do have a chemical romance with Roxicet. It's supposed to mean "I just LOOOOVE Wikipedia Doctors". I.E. people who think they know everything because they have read bullshit on Wikipedia.

<-- The irony is, in many instances, I am totally THAT guy.

Admitting it is the first step.
 
ijustlovewikidrs said:
I heard from a friend who is studying neuro science at USC that there are studies showing that taking 1000mg of acetiminophen (Tylenol) about an hour before dosing MDMA, it coats specific receptors in your brain and actaully serves as a "protective" layer. It's supposed to nix the whole body soreness part of the hangover to some extent. I always thought it was a result of dehydration because the majority of the time when people roll they are super active and sweat a lot. Even if it's not the typical Rave atmosphere, cleary Molly has a tendency to make us, how should I say.. more active? hahaha

Anyway could be total bullshit but give it a shot next time you roll nutsack, and let your fellow Bluelight companions know how it goes!
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That's interesting. I know people who roll so much, they could end up killing their livers if they ever tried this approach, though. It would be kind of funny, hearing them explain it—"I didn't know you weren't supposed to take 4g of Tylenol over a weekend when you're downing shots and taking Molly, I swear."

The "science" of negating hangovers is pretty simple. Electrolytes. Preferably, one not heavy on sodium. For the comedown, Valium. If you can afford Molly, you can afford Valium. Or Ativan.

But, really, I wouldn't recommend someone who's actually depressed taking MDMA for it. There is something much cheaper and safer. It's called weed.
 
IMO MDMA is fucking disgusting. It makes you feel like you're in heaven for a few hours, and then takes it away from you. Leaving you drained of happy chemicals, and raping your neurological balance. Even if you don't abuse MDMA this can happen, and while it makes you feel that good, it ISN'T WORTH IT. Rolling every 6-8 weeks in an attempt to cure your depression is ridiculous. Am I saying you shouldn't try it? No I'm not, I roll now and again myself as well. But you should damn well know and accept what you are putting your brain and body through by doing so. MDMA along with meth and amphetamines (the regular "speed" kind) are one of the most deceptively evil substances around, draining your soul bit by bit to make you feel good. Now go out hit a club and enjoy your roll :)
 
^ Therapeutic MDMA dosing is NOT every 6-8 weeks.. it is usually only done once or twice until the patient has come to terms with his or her major problems. After a few sessions, if it still doesn't work, they don't keep giving you doses.


However, I can agree that MDMA is WAY too hard on the body.. it makes you feel AMAZING for sure.. but the comedown is just about the opposite of that. I find as long as you keep dosing safe and reasonable though, the comedown is not hard to deal with at all.
 
I'm not talking about a comedown per se, I'm talking about the ability of this drug to slowly but surely ruin your quality of life, sure you may not feel it instantly, but even responsible use will take it's toll and you'll see the difference if you take a step back and observe. I believe that the true downside of MDMA goes much deeper then impaired cognitive ability or rough comedowns.
 
^ I'll do it for him ;) because this is my point of view:


MDMA releases neurochemicals.. A LOT of neurochemicals. It's not just serotonin, though that gets the majority of the focus. Dopamine(reward chemical), norepinephrine(controls heart rate/body functions), oxytocin(the love hormone), GABA(released when you drink), prolactin (the ORGASM hormone) and many other neurotransmitters are also released by your brain when you roll. So, in extension, it is not just the 5-HT (serotonin) stores that get depleted, but a vast majority of the transmitters our body and brain rely on everyday to make us function. This obviously causes some major changes over time if you keep depleting yourself by taking more, and in some cases it can get so serious that the lasting changes may never go away.. but on the flip side to that, with SAFE and responsible use (following the 3 month and no redosing rule to a T) shows none of this kind of neurodepletion and almost NO problems arise from it.


But this is use, and not abuse, and sadly most MDMA abusers can't make this distinction.




So I DO agree that MDMA can be an extremely damaging drug.. in fact I myself have said it is the MOST damaging drug when abuse, more so than methamphetamine and I stand by that... but I also believe it can be used safely because thousands of people have done it in the past with next to no problems. It is really the minority of MDMA users than come onto BL and ask for help, when you think about it.

It's all about moderation, friends :)
 
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