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MDMA lost it's magic. MDA?

No, MDA won't "bring back the magic" of MDMA. MDA isn't nearly as "magical" as MDMA. The best thing to do is to take a break. I know it's hard. But when you realize that the MDMA just isn't worth it, taking a break won't be that bad. I never thought that I'd be able to take a break from MDMA. Now it's been three months and I don't even want to do it again, at least not for a few months. (Keep in mind I used to do it every week, then every two weeks, then every month, so three months is a pretty good break for me.) The last couple times, I just didn't enjoy it as much.

Also, MDA and MDMA have cross tolerance soooo you'd still have to take a good break in between the two.
 
Actually I read that MDA and MDMA do not have a cross tolerance. So a person tolerant to MDMA would get effects from MDA and vice versa. My source is Alex Shulgin in testimony to the DEA MDMA banning hearing in 1985, when the DEA used a study which indicated MDA was neurotoxic in rats to ban MDMA. He w trying to point out that they are different chemicals!
 
I find these days when I have MDMA if I have a small amount I get some euphoria and loved up feelings but no real peak and it just doesn't satisfy and if I try and push it any further and dose higher I just go straight to munted or "fried" were I just can't think straight or hold a conversation.

MDA on the other hand last time I had it gave me the exact effects I used to get from MDMA, massive rushes, intense euphoria, clear thinking and never stop talking. Only difference was the longer lasting effects and come down

Iv now started taking breaks between rolls (going for atleast 2-3months) so hopefully that works. I once went roughly 2 years without any mdxx because of the drought in aus a couple years ago and after that it hit me good and strong like it used to. Although I never had the munted problem until after I started smashing it again after the drought. So is hoping these breaks will fix this or else atleast there's still MDA
 
You're either not dosing correctly or the quality of your gear is low. Testing does not show the strength (a quicker more direct colour change can be a SMALL indicator but is NOT fail safe). How much are you taking? How much do you weigh?
 
Folley said:
^ That has been thoroughly debunked around here. The two drugs both release Serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin, prolactin and many other neurochemicals, so they are cross tolerant at almost every receptor.
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Yes they agonise the same receptors but that's far from "proof" that they're cross tolerant.

I believed the exact same thing until I read what Shulgin wrote. And it's Shulgin, he knows what he's talking about. I'll try find the link for you. Also see what Hektissy wrote. I'm fact I experienced something similar.

Look, I certainly don't advocate going for MDA because your MDMA doesn't work anymore. You should rather take breaks. You're actually doing more damage. But They're still different chemicals. I think your body develops tolerance for specific molecules. I know they're similar but small changes make for big differences. Look at the differences between the stereoisomers.
 
swedger77 said:
maybe im being a little cynical but i think someone has posted on here before about losing the magic.

great thread.
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And if I had found my answer searching multiple forums and threads as I did, I wouldn't have posted this.

lostsoul.On.E said:
Mda is very similar to MDMA. So yes I'm pretty sure there is a cross tolerance. Also I've read mda lacks the empathy MDMA gives so if your looking for that in MDa the empathy is going to be quite less.

It sounds like your problem is your bored with the drug. Try a different atmosphere with your MDMA/mda. Set and setting play a big part in your roll. Also mindset does too.
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My setting was perfect, I was at a rave, I was even with my girlfriend of whom was taking MDMA for the first time ever, for those who say doing it with someone new to it can bring the magic back.

StrutterGear said:
You're either not dosing correctly or the quality of your gear is low. Testing does not show the strength (a quicker more direct colour change can be a SMALL indicator but is NOT fail safe). How much are you taking? How much do you weigh?
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I take initially 100-120 mg and sometimes a bump of about 50-70 mg into the roll. I weigh 140. I do not believe it is a problem of dosing. And quality is out of the question, I've tested and watched many friends roll hard off the same batch.

For those that say to take a break, do you guys have any proof that taking a break works? A lot of people swear by this but I have read up and down on multiple forums and have not ever seen a person post about how they got the magic back after a break.

Edit: And for those who say it's just because it's not the new shiny toy it was when you first did it, it's not that I'm bored of it or that I expect too much. When I take it the effects that I do get(which is mainly like a body buzz) last for thirty minutes and (I quote from another user's post)It feels almost as if the the receptors feel the MDMA and immediately down-regulate.
 
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wesleyar said:
For those that say to take a break, do you guys have any proof that taking a break works? A lot of people swear by this but I have read up and down on multiple forums and have not ever seen a person post about how they got the magic back after a break.
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Yes. It worked extremely well and has continued to work for me over a years time after my extremely heavy abuse of the drug.


I got to the point where even the best MDMA pills around had a mostly speedy effect and eventually I started just seeking out methamphetamine instead because it was giving me better effects. Using MDMA and meth at the same time practically fried my brain, and eventually I had a comedown so bad I could barely function for a month. It was then I took a break that lasted 8 months, and my roll after that was AMAZING... then I tried to roll two weeks later and had a fun time, but it was no where near orgasmic and had an awful comedown. There has been a few rolls since then, but they have all been spaced by at least a month and have all been amazing. My last one I waited 6 months and it was ORGASMIC. I felt like I was coming for hours, rolling around on the floor and playing with glow sticks lol..... so YES, waiting works.
 
For those that say to take a break, do you guys have any proof that taking a break works? A lot of people swear by this but I have read up and down on multiple forums and have not ever seen a person post about how they got the magic back after a break.
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there is NO magic, you have been watching too much T.V.

i answered your question with #7

are you trolling or what is the answer you want to hear?
 
laugh said:
there is NO magic, you have been watching too much T.V.

i answered your question with #7

are you trolling or what is the answer you want to hear?
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If everyone is answering me about the "magic" then I think they know what I mean. Obviously I'm talking about the positive effects of the drug when I say "magic", sorry I'm using a slang term for the effects. And so far Foreigner and Folley have given great answers. Why are you so angry over a simple term that many people use?

Folley said:
Yes. It worked extremely well and has continued to work for me over a years time after my extremely heavy abuse of the drug.


I got to the point where even the best MDMA pills around had a mostly speedy effect and eventually I started just seeking out methamphetamine instead because it was giving me better effects. Using MDMA and meth at the same time practically fried my brain, and eventually I had a comedown so bad I could barely function for a month. It was then I took a break that lasted 8 months, and my roll after that was AMAZING... then I tried to roll two weeks later and had a fun time, but it was no where near orgasmic and had an awful comedown. There has been a few rolls since then, but they have all been spaced by at least a month and have all been amazing. My last one I waited 6 months and it was ORGASMIC. I felt like I was coming for hours, rolling around on the floor and playing with glow sticks lol..... so YES, waiting works.
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Would you say your effects were relative to mine with it lasting a very short time?
 
^ Maybe that's because you've lost it. All of my (recent) rolls have been EXTREMELY magical.

wesleyar said:
Why are you so angry over a simple term that many people use?
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He's just a dick. Pay him no mind ;)


wesleyar said:
Would you say your effects were relative to mine with it lasting a very short time?
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I'm not sure what you're asking... but my last roll lasted almost a good 5 hours before I was really fully coming down and I enjoyed the afterglow long after that... so no, they last quite a bit longer than normal now.
 
Folley said:
I'm not sure what you're asking... but my last roll lasted almost a good 5 hours before I was really fully coming down and I enjoyed the afterglow long after that... so no, they last quite a bit longer than normal now.
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I mean when you lost the magic, was it similar in terms of it lasting a short period? I noticed in the three times I rolled that the magic was gone it lasted shorter and shorter with the first lasting two hours to the third and last time lasting 30 minutes.
 
wesleyar said:
I mean when you lost the magic, was it similar in terms of it lasting a short period? I noticed in the three times I rolled that the magic was gone it lasted shorter and shorter with the first lasting two hours to the third and last time lasting 30 minutes.
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During my abuse yeah the experiences were very short and not that fun honestly. Even when I was taking MDMA + meth (both tested) it would be pretty nice for 2-3 hours then I would be fiending for more. After my break that wasn't a problem anymore, a single Dutch pill would last me a good 4-5+ hours before I would really be down again
 
Folley said:
^ That has been thoroughly debunked around here. The two drugs both release Serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin, prolactin and many other neurochemicals, so they are cross tolerant at almost every receptor.
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methamphetamine releases those chemicals too, now is methamphetamine also "cross-tolerant"?

Perhaps there share affinity for some of the same receptors. calling them cross tolerant is a bit of a stretch.

I'm gonna go with real life experience, that I took MDA one day and took 1 MDMA pill the very next and still had a full MDMA experience. Well actually about 3/4 pill, but you get the picture ;)

@ OP - taking a break works. What also works is just having a good time; worrying about "magic" itself can kill a roll
 
@all those people recommending a break

this is no use to us people, who lost the magic doing mdma every year to every 6 months without having to ever increase the dosage (so tolerance is not an issue). i have since taken breaks over 2 years and it's still not magical like it used to be. fucked-up-ness is the same as when i started (at the same dosage) but the euphoria just isn't there (or at best disappears 5 minutes into the comeup).

methylone at least is still magical, but i couldn't bear the horrible comedown a second time.

i can also vouch for mda having the same magic as mdma (i took it once back then, when mdma was still working), and i have high hopes for mda still being magical, but i'd have to be extremely lucky to find some...
 
Over thinkers over thinking magical fantastical imaginary magic from happy pills.

People grow up it happens
 
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