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I didn't know that about Buddhists Shambles, I'd always thought of them as the Good Guys when it comes to religious folk. Every day's a school day.

listen pal i had fuckall sleep got drenched in snowstorms i snapped at some people i should have been nicer too.i not acting very patient or christian atm and cant be fucking doin with it now.
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Eh, what? All I just said was that I was wrong, your post wasn't random. Get a fucking grip of yourself & stop acting like a total roaster.
 
Was actually Ismene that I learned that lil Buddhist nugget from, PTCH. PD has a tendency to be a bit (sort of but not really) Buddhist-idealist at times and he was fond of bringing up some of the less well-publicised parts of Tibetan history. Broadly speaking, they probably are one of the least offensive of the big five but is only fair to point out the flaws in all (and yes, other forms of Buddhism are available - as with all religions some versions are less shite than others). Is one of the most insidious aspects of religion - gives people license to treat others in ways they'd never get away with without it and feel justified in doing so :\
 
hahha whoops i think i may have hit the nuclear strike button over nothing lol.
dont take it personal crackheed
i got a hold of myself now.was on the fone making plans the last while.

AMT ftw

mdma=last season

plur
 
“Do not speak much without mentioning Allah, for too much speech without remembering Allah will harden the heart; verily, the furthest of the people from Allah is one with a hard heart.” [Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Book of Asceticism, Number 2411, Hasan]

^ looks like blasphemy / using the lords name in vain are permissable in islam.

the crazy thing about the q'ran i keep getting told/ compare to the bible is: "but is the bible the actual word of god? see the quran is the word of god because god told mohammed what to put in it." :sus::|8(

to which i reply "yes, it is. the nt is about the life of jesus who is the son of god therefore it is the word of god. when we hear the readings at mass it ends "this is the word of the lord". Then i said that the 10 commandments came from god.

I'm no mad bible basher, as i may have said before it is only in the last coupla years that i have seen the light and gone against organised religion- i'm still a spiritual person.

As well as this i told them that we believe that god lives in all of us. loads of other stuff.
it's all quite funny really. my little mussies remind me of me as a child, cept for me it was catholisism is king. protestants burn in hell"
 
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i have just read back the previous pages of postings stuff i missed.
big shout out to jess i caught ur posts only properly now cheers for your pov.
i feel like im the Archangel Saint Michael with my curvey sword and wings battling negativity and doubt...the creeping uglyness and corruption of hearts and minds..they will never win i will never surrender till these dark spirits be scratched from this realm back to whence they came with their devious snares...begone

one of my mates has a large back tattoo of st michael with his sword standing on a demons head in triumph. going too far even by my standards


*the AMT is working
 
How would that be blasphemy, Pink? It would only be blasphemy if the Bible were more "accurate". Given the Quran claims to be the direct word of Yahweh/Allah rather than merely the inspired word of Yahweh/Allah surely that trumps it?


ah no, it should be 2 posts, the top bit says, you should say allah as much as you can. but when christians say omg or i swear to god god help you and all that it an be taken as taking the lords name in vain blasphemy. only use the lords name in prayer i think is what cxtians are meant to do. obviously god told mohammed what to write in the book it had to be something differnet to what the jews or christians were doing just to prove that their book is not the word of god like ours...."errr, no deary, we don't mind saying "i swear to god" all the time out of habit without meaning it." i'm a bit tired and achey from my smack quest in the snow so prob don't make sense.
 
Makes much more sense with the additional text in the updated version, Pink. And I tend to agree with it all being horribly confusing for folks who don't necessarily subscribe to any particular genre of theology. You'd think a deity could at least manage to not confuse the living shit outta his creations by apparently saying utterly contradictory things at every opportunity. Even if it has a speech impediment or summat it could surely make its feelings a bit more clear. Wouldn't half save a lotta grief :\
 
His spirit passes through people in the way He wants it to. I know a lovely verse for anxiety acieed-ed

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Sorry, I've not even finished reading the thread, but HOW THE FUCKING HELL does that help with anxiety?! Oh, I forgot, I need have faith, don't I? I think most religious people have a below average IQ, if I'm honest, except a small percentage. They're just misguided. Which one are you? I'm becoming more anti-theist by the day, and it's because of the total shit that I read. Do you use drugs, Jess? Or, did you, but then you picked up a book? I've never seen you mention a recent drug venture, which, again, makes me wonder why exactly you come on here.

acid...whatever the fuck....liam:

my faith is strong and 100% reality based
Are you for real? 100% reality based? I think you need to look at some scientific literature and understand that there's no proof for God. The bible is not proof of God, before anyone cracks that one out. It's a book, written by men. Do you worship '50 Shades of Grey' and believe it's some sort of scripture? Sorry, but people talk and believe total shit.

I like how the rest of EADD have left us to it. Haha. It does produce strong emotions, I must say.
 
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Are you for real? 100% reality based? I think you need to look at some scientific literature and understand that there's no evidence whatsoever for any god or gods.

Far too generous so fix'd ;)

Not sure that all of EADD has left us to it as such. A fair few views considering there's not yet many willing to chip in. Popcorn thread so far. I suspect plenty have opinions on both sides but can be an iffy topic so perhaps not one all wish to dirty themselves with. There's no need for it to become personal or nasty though. Is going far better than the last attempt at the topic did imo. I'd like to see better from the religee's side though. Been pretty damn weaksauce so far tbh :\;)<3
 
I missed the best bit. Jess: Why is Liam allowed to take drugs, but you find it to be a sin? Liam: Why are you allowed to take drugs, when Jess isn't? Why don't you both share the same opinion on something so simple? 'Am I allowed to do drugs? Yes or no...'. Surely, there's a proper answer to this. It does say that God made hemp, etc. and I believe it mentions people using hemp (so, getting stoned then). This is a question I've asked my mate, but he said there's not really any rules regarding getting mashed (obviously not on newer drugs, Liam, you fucking smart-arse). It's obviously a case of 'I believe in God, but I love drugs'. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. I'd rather speak to a drug-using Christian, any day, as they make far more sense. This thread has made me mad. God is a fucking dick sucking cunt hole. He's not really, because he doesn't exist!
 
Don't let it get ya down too much, Treac. Is a great time to be a non-believer. Internet age has made us heathens into much more of a community instead of just being expected to shut up and put up. Am not a huge fan of much of the online "cyber atheists" as I do believe I was called a coupla pages back, but it's a start. At least the topic is up for discussion now and all the (complete absence of) evidence is on our side ;)
 
Google Atheist TV and watch some of those. It's a call-in show, in America, on cable (or whatever). The host is an ex-Christian, and he does a fantastic job at making the callers go 'hmm...err....', then they trip themselves up and it all goes wrong, usually. The guy has a very rational mind, and even argues that drugs aren't necessarily a bad thing, when someone brings them up. Nothing like an ex-believer to really stir it up. Definitely worth watching.
 
How would that be blasphemy, Pink? It would only be blasphemy if the Bible were more "accurate". Given the Quran claims to be the direct word of Yahweh/Allah rather than merely the inspired word of Yahweh/Allah surely that trumps it?

Allah isnt Yahweh. The word for God in Hebrew is Elohim. The Quran isn't inspired by Yahweh at all or for that matter Elohim.


Yes I have read the Shack Pink.. its a beautiful book. :)<3 But yeah v sad.
 
Sorry, I've not even finished reading the thread, but HOW THE FUCKING HELL does that help with anxiety?! Oh, I forgot, I need have faith, don't I? I think most religious people have a below IQ, if I'm honest, except a small percentage. They're just misguided. Which one are you? I'm becoming more anti-theist by the day, and it's because of the total shit that I read. Do you use drugs, Jess? Or, did you, but then you picked up a book? I've never seen you mention a recent drug venture, which, again, makes me wonder why exactly you come on here.

acid...whatever the fuck....liam:
Chill out Treacle. Yes I do use drugs lots of them. Mostly prescription. I also like a puff. I also come here to chat to people I genuinely like and lol some of the ones i'm not keen on.. Can I stay?

Would you be so rude if I'd been talking about hypnosis. Words have an effect on emotion. You don't even need to use faith words to calm your fear or anxiety with words. I find reading or reciting promises n my head, from the bible a zillion times more effective in calming my mood and settling my fears.

Listen, so far there are no bible thumping stereotypical Christian types in here. Pink is chilled out with her faith. So am I. If people talk to me about God which they do on a regular basis I will give my point of view. I love nothing more than talking about Theology and Philosophy and I am grateful for this thread. Shambles is too and also knows a great deal about the subject.

I don't know if you were out of the game, pissed or just pissed off when you wrote that post but I don't feel I deserved the abuse. Please don't talk to me so aggressively again.


I missed the best bit. Jess: Why is Liam allowed to take drugs, but you find it to be a sin? Liam: Why are you allowed to take drugs, when Jess isn't? Why don't you both share the same opinion on something so simple? 'Am I allowed to do drugs? Yes or no...'. Surely, there's a proper answer to this. It does say that God made hemp, etc. and I believe it mentions people using hemp (so, getting stoned then). This is a question I've asked my mate, but he said there's not really any rules regarding getting mashed (obviously not on newer drugs, Liam, you fucking smart-arse). It's obviously a case of 'I believe in God, but I love drugs'. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. I'd rather speak to a drug-using Christian, any day, as they make far more sense. This thread has made me mad.God is the awesome creator of the universe
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I'm not sure which post you were referring to here. If you mean when I said I felt convicted that means I feel a kind of pressure from God that that isn't what He wants for me right now. It feels like sadness but not my own.

Its a really difficult question to answer. Can we take drugs or not. God gave us herbs and plants for our enjoyment perhaps it could be argued. However, theres not many people that can handle daily opium. They took it for their enjoyment but ended up in the hell of slavery. Some people need to work on their self control.. in fact we all do but some are gannets and end up hurting themselves and their families.
Theres no yes or no answer to your question ultimately. This is the reason why. At some stage ( it differs for everyone) we receive the Holy Spirit, we are washed in it its an amazing experience.. we become a new creation. The God that we have hungered for and longed for comes to live within us as we are within Him. There is reconciliation. His command to me is to follow Him. It can be hard to keep up.. I love this verse so much:

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."


I know what He wants of me. I know He doesn't want me taking crates full of pills every day. In my body ( my flesh) I'm weak.. I carrrrrrrrrrrnt.. But I can ask for Gods grace and Spirit to help me.. actually sometimes its not even help he just untangles me from whatever I'm tangled up in.
Sometimes I feel like God has led me to places that completely make me question who I am and what I'm about.. hes doing some kind of iconoclastic work on my ego with a sledge hammer. After Jesus died Peter had a vision of a sheet of some sort full of un kosher foods. Prawns, pork, bread with yeast and God said 'eat'.
Heres Peters version: :)

4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

I think this means all things are clean. Paul said ' All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.' corinthians 10.23

Paul made it very clear that with Jesus death the Law had died. It had been nailed to the cross with Jesus. But we still need to do Gods will. The Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentacost- total ecstasy. Union with God through His spirit. We still have to keep topping up though if we're running on empty we lose sight of Him and what He wants. So anyway, its perfectly likely that if someone offers me some opium that Gods cool with that 'dont call anything that God has created impure' :) Thing is I dont think its going to do me any favours with my opiate issues. So I might pass.
 
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Sorry, I've not even finished reading the thread, but HOW THE FUCKING HELL does that help with anxiety?! Oh, I forgot, I need have faith, don't I? I think most religious people have a below IQ, if I'm honest, except a small percentage. They're just misguided.

The verse is a reminder that feelings of anxiety and worry should not be listened too. Very poetic and romantic verse, but clearly more meaningful for someone who believes in God.

It could be that religious people have a low IQ. It could also be that religious people see and understand something that you do not. As you cannot comprehend what they see, you will naturally percieve them as lower IQ than you, because their beliefs do not make sense to you.

I say this because when I was atheist I thought all Christians were stupid and delusional. Admired the desire for goodwill, but always thought they were fools.


Are you for real? 100% reality based? I think you need to look at some scientific literature and understand that there's no proof for God. The bible is not proof of God, before anyone cracks that one out. It's a book, written by men.

Of course there's no proof of God. Are you forgetting why we are meant to be here? A choice of good and evil, a choice to ignore God. These are only made a reality by making God unprovable on a physical basis. If we could prove God, and the bible said the world was created 4.5 billion years ago, then the whole world would HAVE to be Christian and behave.

If Hell is to exist, our evil must be exposed... and if evil is to be exposed on this planet, God must appear unprovable.
 
to which i reply "yes, it is. the nt is about the life of jesus who is the son of god therefore it is the word of god. when we hear the readings at mass it ends "this is the word of the lord". Then i said that the 10 commandments came from god.

From this book I'm reading just now. God's just came back from his holiday to find out the state the world has got into in his absence. He's just had a go at Jesus for fucking about getting stoned & playing guitar with Hendrix instead of having a wee look at what's been going on on Earth

'Shit,' Jesus says quietly. 'What happened to "be nice"?'
'Be nice'. Whenever He reflected on the wonderful simplicity of this, His original and only commandment, He automatically flashed onto the following thought - fucking Moses. What kind of arrogant fuckstick bins the one commandment they're given and rocks up with ten of their own? Moses, that's who. Whole bunch of shit about coveting thy neighbour's goddamn ox (Moses, it was well known around the place, had always been a little nuts. A little nuts? The dude was off his freaking teats).

=D

This book is fucking genius. I've only just started it & been proper howling with laughter a good few times already.

St. Andrew telling God about creationists

'Right,' Andrew says, already laughing, 'there's these bams doon there, mostly in America, right, they're aff their fucken heeds, so they are, Boss, but check this oot, ye'll no believe it, these cunts believe that the earth is aboot ten thousand years old.'

It then goes on for ages with God, Jesus & the 4 top saints absolutely pishing themselves until God goes fucking apeshit when he finds out that they teach it in schools, wrecks the room then...

'I mean -' God takes an unlit joint from the ashtray and holds it up 'aren't they smoking enough grass?'

I can imagine this book would piss a lot of people off haha. God phones up Mohammed to go mad at him about the Taliban!

He also compares Jesus feeding the 5000 to that famous early Sex Pistols gig. Saying there was actually only about 50 folk there but fuckloads claimed they were there & they used a power of couscous to bulk out the food to feed them all.
 
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I didn't know that about Buddhists Shambles, I'd always thought of them as the Good Guys when it comes to religious folk. Every day's a school day.



Eh, what? All I just said was that I was wrong, your post wasn't random.


Buddhism is still religious. Theravada Buddhism ( the Buddhism of Thailand, Vietnam Laos etc) is probably more ritualistic than Mahayana Buddhism. I studied a little bit of Mahayana Buddhism. It tends to be more about evoking spiritual states and deities. Mahayana Buddhism is headed up by the Dalai Llama up in the foothills of the Himalayas Dharamsala. Boths sects believe in the 3 jewels The Buddha, The Sanga and the Dharma.. The Sanga is the church.. they have a church which you are expected to be a part of. You must follow the Noble path which involves living life in the Dharma... in right actions. Calling God a Dick head is not good Dharma and you will be reincarnated as a deformed beetle. Its true.. I just looked it up in the High Web.
 
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Google Atheist TV and watch some of those. It's a call-in show, in America, on cable (or whatever). The host is an ex-Christian, and he does a fantastic job at making the callers go 'hmm...err....', then they trip themselves up and it all goes wrong, usually. The guy has a very rational mind, and even argues that drugs aren't necessarily a bad thing, when someone brings them up. Nothing like an ex-believer to really stir it up. Definitely worth watching.

The Atheist Experience is a brilliant show. Well, has gone a bit off recently but is usually good value. The "golden era" episodes (all on PooToob) are just genius. Matt Dillahunty (sp?) does have a way of crucifying Christians few others manage. Being a fundamentalist Christian for most of his life and knowing scripture inside out and backwards (plus a shitload on the historical side too) no doubt helps. He's done a few of those debates with apologists too - also on PooToob - and has eaten 'em alive (but in a very civilised fashion) every time so far. Is almost bordering on embarrassing really :D

Plus, some of the proper nutjob Xtians that phone in are just priceless =D

Allah isnt Yahweh. The word for God in Hebrew is Elohim. The Quran isn't inspired by Yahweh at all or for that matter Elohim.

Sorry, Jess, but that's just plain wrong. "Allah" is the Arabic name for "Yahweh" - or whichever name/title you wish to give the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god. "Elohim" is plural and means "lords" from memory. There's a particular passage in the Bible where "El" speaks to "Elohim" (ie one of the original gods that make up the composite we have now speaks to his fellow gods) but am too knackered to look it up. I'm sure you can find it and confirm this for yourself though :)
 
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