Opioids Sooooo i just relapsed

[thuglife111]

Was clean for over a month and was on suboxone and weening myself off. I was down to a half of a half of an 8mg strip every OTHER day.

So i was almost home free.

And i got the insatiable urge to score some dope.

So i started asking random people, and failed.

And outta nowhere, my weed man hits me up and says hes got Oxycodone 30mg now for a great price.

He delivered them that night.

I did some. Sniffed it.

I kinda feel it. But i dont think as much as i normally did. Is it cuz of the subs? I waited at least 15 hours or so.


I still have suboxone left so i'll just use it when i'm withdrawing i guess.

Too bad i started the cycle all over. I'm starting to feel like i will never win this battle...

ALSO!!... i have a question..


Is it true that all i gotta do is do some opiates to "knock" the suboxone outta my receptor in my brain, and then wait a little bit and do some more to ACTUALLY feel the high?

 

[trip407]

You should wait 24 hours, preferably longer after you have taken a full agonist before switching bach to suboxone. The buprenorphine was still blocking some of the oxycodone you had been taking. It has a long half life and will stay in your system way longer then 15 hours.

I think the title is misleading as you have never been clean to begin with. You just switched a partial agonist for a full agonist. No alcoholic would say he is sober if he only drinks beer instead of booze. But this specific topic is covered right now over in DC.

 

[duckbin]

24 hours? I wait AT LEAST 48 hours and it still blocks some of it. Also the point of suboxone is to be stabilized on it enough where you don't want to use opiates, and won't, it defeats the purpose. But hey, relapse is a part of recovery.

 

[RedRum OG]

It varies person to person and depending on the opiate. Anywhere from 12-72 hours. But id say 36 is definitely safe, 24 maybe. Bupe/suboxone has a very high binding affinity and no other opiate will knock it out. But obviously slowly leaves receptors, since you did dope instead of sub there will be less than if you had taken some

 

[Deadhead420]

I think the title is misleading as you have never been clean to begin with. You just switched a partial agonist for a full agonist. No alcoholic would say he is sober if he only drinks beer instead of booze. But this specific topic is covered right now over in DC.

I don't buy into this. Obviously being on nothing is better than being on suboxone but for me going on suboxone was a huge step to getting off opiates entirely. I've got two main reasons to support this:

1. Suboxone never got me high. All it did was keep me from withdrawals. If it's actually getting you high, you're either taking way too much or you don't need to be on it in the first place.

2. As OP found out, Suboxone will block other opiates therefore helping prevent relapse. Really if you're using opiates while on Suboxone you're just throwing your money away.

To OP: Don't buy into the NA way of counting sober time and thinking that just because you use a little bit of oxy all your clean time was for nothing. Just wait until you start to get sick again (to prevent precipitated withdrawal) and then start back on your Suboxone. Keep doing what you were doing and you can make it out of this. I was in the same position you were in and it took a couple relapses before I finally got off the junk. It's just part of the process IMO.

 

[hefe1313]

I think the title is misleading as you have never been clean to begin with. You just switched a partial agonist for a full agonist. No alcoholic would say he is sober if he only drinks beer instead of booze. But this specific topic is covered right now over in DC.

You can't say that. thats just like, your opinion man.
and yes OP, it's because of the subs

 

[majicBLUE]

ALSO!!... i have a question..


Is it true that all i gotta do is do some opiates to "knock" the suboxone outta my receptor in my brain, and then wait a little bit and do some more to ACTUALLY feel the high?

"They" say to wait 24+ hours, but I don't know, i'd take 8mg's of suboxone, maybe 4mg's back when they just had the pills and all I had to do to get high was do more than usual. ie: 2 80mg OC's instead of the usual one and i'd get high.

 

[thuglife111]

ok it's been like 24 hours know. just sniffed a whole 30. I feel itchy and warm so i think it's working. thanks everyone

and thanks for the words of encouragement. i know i will win... i just wanted to dance with the devil one more time

And like i said, i was taking HAlf of a HALF of an 8mg strip... every OTHER day... so i mean i think i'm alright.

But maybe cuz i was used to doing dope at the end before i got on the subs... maybe thats why these 30s aren't hitting me as greatly

 

[hefe1313]

ok it's been like 24 hours know. just sniffed a whole 30. I feel itchy and warm so i think it's working. thanks everyone

and thanks for the words of encouragement. i know i will win... i just wanted to dance with the devil one more time

aaannndddd oonnee more time and one more.......aaaaaaaaaaand onemore lolz

 

[thuglife111]

hahaha trueeee

 

[tomatalli]

Oxy is veey week opposed to buprenorphine or heroin. Im not surprised 30mg of oxy isnt doing anything. How much dope were u doing hefore subs? 2mg of subs under the tongue is equal to about
40-50mg of oral oxy. So to get high i would recomenned startimg with 50-60mg and slowly work your way up, also oral oxy has a higher BA then sniffing it so youd be better suited to take them orally.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

i know i will win... i just wanted to dance with the devil one more time

Yeah right. Do you know how many times I've heard that? Classic junkie mindset.

I do genuinely hope you do stop this shit mate. It's no life to live!

 

[thuglife111]

Oxy is veey week opposed to buprenorphine or heroin. Im not surprised 30mg of oxy isnt doing anything. How much dope were u doing hefore subs? 2mg of subs under the tongue is equal to about
40-50mg of oral oxy. So to get high i would recomenned startimg with 50-60mg and slowly work your way up, also oral oxy has a higher BA then sniffing it so youd be better suited to take them orally.

i was up to like 3-4 bags of heron everyday. But i was only doing that for a short time in comparison to my roxi habit, which was my first love. It was good quality dope, nothing crazy though, but decent dope. And i only sniffed it, never shot it, and will NEVER. I feel as though that would be the point of no return and i'm not about to puncture my skin and veins under any circumstances. I don't want my veins collapsing or track marks... that shit is gross and unsightly.

I never took Oxy orally. Even in the beginning i always sniffed it. When i had perc 10s i popped them though. But the 30s i always sniffed.

And today i sniffed 3 of them. And i feel pretty good. So i'd say it's working but not as good as the dope. Although the rush of the oxy is better imo. The dope is more of a lethargic high. I like the "up" feeling of the oxy. And i like how it's pure. I don't like the thought of sniffing JUNK... literally, it's junk. Dope is garbage cut with heroin. I live in NY so i get the white powder in the stamps but sometimes it's brown powder. What's better? White or brown? I felt as though i got a pretty good high from the brown rocky kind. Whereas the white powdery kind was also good, but the best ones i've had were rocky and brown.

The stamps i was getting were called "Total Control" , "Secret Scent" , "HEAT" , and "Jet Blue" (which was the best one!)

Then after that i got some shit called "Final Destination." lol, what an eerie name. Then this other shit called "10-80" was crazy. But the rest of them after those were just plain bags with no brand. Those were the last ones i was doing before i got on the subs. They did the job but i found myself having to do more and more VERY rapidly. The tolerance issue is such a bitch with dope... even more so than the 30s.

So that's why i decided to do the 30s instead. They're clean and made by a company.

But since i'm not getting as good a feeling from them, i think i have to resort to the dope again.

I feel so relieved though. All this accumulated pain i've had since i stopped using... it seemed like it just never went away. Once i snorted these pills though, i feel back to normal. I feel happy again. I feel content. God, i feel so empty otherwise.

 

[thuglife111]

JUST copped some dope with the stamp "007" on it. Let's give THIS a go now 4 days later!

 

[rhun]

This post is just sad.
You were almost tapered off buprenorphine and almost close from being free of opiate dependence and you go out and get oxycodone.
And now you're getting heroin? Wow..
If you're not getting a "good feeling" from the 30s you should have taken it as a sign that you got lucky and to get back on your bupe while you still can.

Sorry, not about to cheer you on. This thread should be closed honestly because it's not remotely about harm reduction anymore.