Diamorphine Bifters anyone?

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Recently, I posted in another thread the fact that in the mid to late 80's, speedfreaks round my way (Crewe, Cheshire) were prescribed Methamphetamine amps. Possibly a pilot study as Shambles suggested, as this practice didn't last for long, but it could also be that there was a massive influx of smack at that time which rapidly took over.

Then I remembered about the diamorphine cigarettes that all the junkies were being prescribed in the early 90's. What happened was, you took a pack of cigs to the chemists where diamorphine was injected into the tobacco for you. Then you could go about your daily business while casually sorting yourself out and no-one would be any the wiser. There were 3 strengths IIRC, 30mg, 60mg & 100mg. Needless to say, most of these got sold off to buy gear. It was around this time I was getting my first habit, but just one of the 60mg ones knocked me fuckin sick. They definitely were not meant for novices, only people with serious long term habits were prescribed them, which is probably why they weren't that popular with the up & coming junkies, plus you couldn't dig 'em, which is why a lot were 'diverted' to the black market. This lasted for quite a few years, but as the National demonisation of tobacco took over, they started to use herbal fags instead. Then the practice just disappeared . This was around the time that buprenorphine was being touted as the latest wonder 'cure', so that probably had a lot to do with it.

I mention this because I've not seen anybody at all on Bluelight refer to these being prescribed, so I was wondering if this was just another pilot study in my area, or a national practice. Anyone else have experience of the old diamorph bifters?

 

[blondin]

Yep I remember them well, they were for people who didnt shoot as those that did would get amps (round my way anyway) the amps in the ciggies would crystallise and the buzz was ok but as its not base it didnt really give you the best out of it.

I use to knoiw a nurse who would 'collect all theh unused parts of amps used on patients as they raely needed a full amp but even with a big hit the buz is not the same as street heroin - I think because street heroin has other opiates in it, codeine, morphine thebene etc rather than just pure diamorhpine - dont get me wrong still jolly nice

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Yeah, I never really enjoyed them that much myself - most of the time I just felt bloody ill! Perhaps if I had had a bigger tolerance at the time they would have done the job nicely. It's funny how street gear is often more popular that the pharma alternatives - probably for the reasons you mentioned. As you say, with it not being base it wasn't designed for smoking and would have been much better shot up. Funnily enough, my mate was shagging one of the girls that used to load the bifters, but she was so straight I wouldn't have dreamt of asking her for the dregs shame really

Also, I remember the diamorph was never evenly distributed throughout the ciggie, so everyone used to rip 'em apart and make a spliff out of them - much more effective that way!

 

[Shambles]

I do recall one EADDer mentioning 'em a while back. Never saw 'em meself. Would be nice for the novelty factor but - as mentioned - not likely to show up again cos smoking's just bad, m'kay?

In vaguely related news, apparently there are still a handful of folks who get a free supply of pure weed spliffs off the American government and have done for decades. Was a scheme started many years before "medical marijuana" became acceptable over there. Must've been great getting your package once a month (think they got 100-150 pre-rolled spliffs a month? Maybe more. Was a pretty big baggie of 'em anyway). Even better being able to smoke 'em in public and having a letter authorising you to do so should any copper smell the waft.

 

[brimz]

I had some of these way back in the 90s they weren't prescribed to me or owt . Got them through a pal in North Wales who got them through some one else on Merseyside .
They were Herbal fags i remember that much . It was a pilot scheme i thought ?
I didn't have a proper habit back then & remember getting a decent dunt of them . No idea what strength they were either.

It was only a couple of years later i had my own Injectable Physeptone script
1- 50mg/1ml concerntrate & 3 10mg/1ml amps a day on a weekly pick up .

 

[farmaz]

I am showing my age here but I have read 100's of time in William S Burroughs books of morphine amps.

what did they look like & how did they work?

 

[brimz]

Morphine amps just look like water amps . But contain Morphine .

The Diamorphine ones don't contain any liquid at all just the salt you add the water yourself here is a good picture

You can see the freeze dried Diamorphine in them


edit: this second pic seems to be on a compromised site and people's browsers are flagging it as malware, stopping access to the page. knock.

 

[farmaz]

Morphine amps just look like water amps . But contain Morphine .

The Diamorphine ones don't contain any liquid at all just the salt you add the water yourself here is a good picture

You can see the freeze dried Diamorhine in them

Thanks Brimz, I know those water amp's you get from Boots.
you just crack the top of them then draw the water up into your works, I wish I was older that must have been so good to have those to hand, no need to score crap street gear.

Medical grade morphine habit must have been a bitch to kick though

 

[RedRum OG]

You Europeans don't even know how good you have it. The general opinion here is basically "eh... Oh yea those things?"

Lucky bastards. Bloody hell chap, fish and chips

 

[brimz]

Farma
As folk have mentioned already their is a pretty big difference in the effects of the Pharm grade stuff & Street Gear . Hence why would folk sell their scripts to buy street gear ( this did happen shocking as it may seem )

I remember the first time i had DM amps i was so excited & was left a bit disapointed tbh . I think i was expecting the same effect as street gear but stronger . It's not like that at all .
Standard Morphine Amps i have had recently & you have to be careful with the histamine release , i did 3 of the 30mg/2ml ones in one shot n it was not a pleasant rush at all pins n needles i thought would never end .
Mind you after that i did another 2 so all together 300mg & was noding really nicely .

Medical grade morphine habit must have been a bitch to kick though

Yes n no .
Obviously it's going to be hard but nothing near Methadone that's for sure . Morphine is a short acting opiate & the cluck only lasts 7/10 days where as Methadone wds can go on for months .

 

[i against i]

I remember the first time i had DM amps i was so excited & was left a bit disapointed tbh . I think i was expecting the same effect as street gear but stronger . It's not like that at all .

that's what i was expecting the one time i had supposed pharma diamorphine, came as a white powder like in your pics (but not in an amp). getting ready "yea man, yea, this is gonna be killer! i'm gon' be so stoned man! fuck that rag head h this is the real deal bitches!" and then it wasn't all that. oh well.

there might be some more history in this thread i posted about a silly idea for smoking dark in a roll up.

 

[farmaz]

what makes bashed up Afghan/Pakistan Heroin better than Medical grade diamorphine?

Is it the way the body breaks it down?

I guess all that Violin polish (the red bash) & Paracetamol bash in UK gear must have some unknown effect in the human body

i have had recently & you have to be careful with the histamine release

I read about that in Junky by W.S.B. he has a bit where he does a shot & goes totally fucking nuts & feels like he is going to die.

 

[brimz]

I could have avoided it had i just done one amp to start of with but no i wanted the big rush At the end of the day it would have got me to the same place but without the intense histamine release . Yeah i suppose you could say it feels like you are going to die , except i knew i wasn't , it did leave me with a head ache for a few minutes .

 

[brimz]

A Methadone Ampoule just for comparison

That is like the ones i used to get.

 

[farmaz]

30mg of meth for I.V.?

wtf!!??!?!?!?!?!!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

what makes bashed up Afghan/Pakistan Heroin better than Medical grade diamorphine?

Is it the way the body breaks it down?

I guess all that Violin polish (the red bash) & Paracetamol bash in UK gear must have some unknown effect in the human body .

Well, obviously the less bashed up it is the better. But street gear has a lot of other opiate alkaloids in it as well, codeine, morphine, thebaine etc. (as Shambles pointed out earlier). This all seems to add up to a better buzz. I mentioned in another thread getting hold of methamphetamine amps - and it was really disappointing as it felt too 'natural'. I suppose an analogy would be the current crop of RC cannabinoids - they usually affect just one receptor whereas proper cannabis contains lots of different chemicals which tickle many different receptors, making it a damn sight better than the synthetic stuff. Similarly with poppy pods - I've not tried them myself, but it seems that they can give a much better buzz that just pure codeine, or morphine for example. Street gear is a complex mixture of many different chemicals which synergise to give a better buzz (as long as it ain't cut with rosin or paracetamol of course). Also, most UK speed is a mixture of D & L amphetamine - many people prefer this to pure dexedrine because it gives a 'druggier' feel. Sometimes, pure isn't always best.

Edit: Also, yer bog standard Afghani No.3 smoking 'Heroin' (which ain't Heroin at all, it's actually diamorphine base plus other stuff), is usually cut at source with caffeine, quinine or both. These substances are said to improve the buzz.

 

[farmaz]

Thanks F.U.B.A.R.

I take it rosin is the violin polish that runs red on foil?.........

I love EADD I was on gear full time 10 years & still have a dose a few times a week but with no habit, I learned more about gear in 1 thread from wise old timers in 1 day than I learned in 10 years on the street.

Thanks everyone

 

[brimz]

30mg of meth for I.V.?

wtf!!??!?!?!?!?!!

When i was prescribed them they were supposed to be for IM use , but obviously once they were in my hands i did what i wanted with them .
Like i said i had 7 of the 50mg/1ml a week well 14 after a while .
They are really hard on your veins .
Not to be sniffed at on a NHS script though , especially when mixed with cyclazine to recreate the Dicanol rush .

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Thanks F.U.B.A.R.

I take it rosin is the violin polish that runs red on foil?.........

I love EADD I was on gear full time 10 years & still have a dose a few times a week but with no habit, I learned more about gear in 1 thread from wise old timers in 1 day than I learned in 10 years on the street.

Thanks everyone

Yep, rosin is the violin polish - it comes from the sap of pine trees ya know, and is used in solder flux to make the solder run easily. This is what fucks yer lungs up when soldering and is why expensive extraction machines are used in the electronics industry - not something you wanna be inhaling regularly (it also causes the gear to coagulate in the pin).

But yes, I have learnt more from reading Bluelight this last couple of years than I ever did by word of mouth. In fact, if I'd discovered Bluelight a damn sight earlier I might still have some decent veins left (aside from my groin, neck & cock, which even I won't touch)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

When i was prescribed them they were supposed to be for IM use , but obviously once they were in my hands i did what i wanted with them .
Like i said i had 7 of the 50mg/1ml a week well 14 after a while .
They are really hard on your veins .
Not to be sniffed at on a NHS script though , especially when mixed with cyclazine to recreate the Dicanol rush .

Oh yes, the methadone & cyclazine mix - this was very popular in the early 90's. Again, I never experienced it myself as I wasn't IV'ing at the time, but I heard some horror stories akin to the phenazepam trainwrecks of more recent times