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How High do you Aim?

Okay for me anything like shrooms, acid, or 25x/Mdxx, I like a strong +++ maybe a weak +++ especially on Shrooms or acid I don't ever not welcome the strongest ++++s on MDA or MDMA <3 but I love love absolutely LOVE the strongest ++++'s on Ketamine for some reason... the K hole is just amazingly interesting... I meet like the leaders of the rulers of the world secret K world each time! Idk but for me it's a lot easier to get to ++++ on K because it takes away most of your fear and feeling before you get to that level but on something like shrooms the point where it gets the craziest is the point where you have the most 'feelings' persay. Example.

When I black out/achieve++++ on Ketamine, I'm usually already so out of it that I kinda accept taking it all in. But on a substance like shrooms ill just be at my most mentally vulnerable place when I'm pushed over the limit and then I begin to try and fight the trip :/ NO GOOD
 
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Aporia said:
I also believe that there is a difference between taking so much acid, or getting so high, that you lose consciousness and having a ++++ experience. Generally ++++ experiences can be very lucid and not horrible at all.
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I agree. After blacking out on long-lasting psychedelics, I am reticent to get to that level again via those drugs. Will be aiming for a more lucid and in-control experience next time. There were parts of that trip that were unbearably dysphoric. I am glad it happened, but it is the first trip I have had that could be considered "bad". Not that there is such a thing as a bad trip as afterwards you always learn something/take something away from it, but during the trip things can get pretty damn hectic and out of control.
 
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Very well said Capt.
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Thank you, and I appreciate you sharing your experience in this thread.

Te0X2t said:
But on a substance like shrooms ill just be at my most mentally vulnerable place when I'm pushed over the limit and then I begin to try and fight the trip :/ NO GOOD
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^ yeah when this happened to me on LSD, I knew I couldn't fight it and I accepted it and I still cry thinking about it because of what went through my mind and how I felt.

CapnCannabis said:
I agree. After blacking out on long-lasting psychedelics, I am reticent to get to that level again via those drugs. Will be aiming for a more lucid and in-control experience next time. There were parts of that trip that were unbearably dysphoric. I am glad it happened, but it is the first trip I have had that could be considered "bad". Not that there is such a thing as a bad trip as afterwards you always learn something/take something away from it, but during the trip things can get pretty damn hectic and out of control.
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Yes, exactly, well said. Unbearably dysphoric for parts of it. I never understood why such a beautiful psychedelic experience could get to the point of being unbearably dysphoric. I think this is why I am still so upset by parts of what happened.
 
I aim a bit low, basically still seeing most of the effects but never being overwhelmed and still being able to interact with people/my environment semi normali. Really high doses don't appeal to me that much. But then I'm not a psy heard head (no offence meant to the people that are, whatever floats your boat).
 
crazycatman said:
I aim a bit low, basically still seeing most of the effects but never being overwhelmed and still being able to interact with people/my environment semi normali. Really high doses don't appeal to me that much. But then I'm not a psy heard head (no offence meant to the people that are, whatever floats your boat).
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Thanks for the reply! :)

I'm thinking that there's probably only a sub-section of the PD community that would volunteer themselves to be labeled as "hard heads", some might take it as a compliment even... but I don't know if I would call myself that. I've definitely gotten to the top level with four different drugs (salvia, mushrooms, DMT, LSD) as I said before but I don't think that in itself would make me a "hard head", because I don't really aim for that top level anymore.

I wanted to also say that it's infinitely easier to sustain a top level experience with DMT or salvia, and that mushrooms and LSD is much more difficult because the peaks on these top levels will seem like an eternity. I have previously thought in such experiences I would never escape it, etc.

Oh, I just realized, I also had a top level experience with MDA as well, so that's five different substances I've gotten to that level with (that are psychedelics).
 
I wrote a post on another thread about this. Being unable to talk can be a serious bitch and truly worrying in whatever situation. I start talking... "David can you... rizla" or in a more needed conversation "Excuse me where... station" it's as if there are two megaphones relaying the start and end of a sentence and blanking the middle. Not to mention anxiety about needing to find waterloo quickly can seem to reflect as anger from pedestrians. As the trip gets stronger or further into it, it has on one occasion completely removed my ability to talk. Trying to think back to it; I cannot remember if it was due to inability to understand the point of the conversation immediately before I have talked .or. if I was trying to see what I was saying from every angle a human could see it at which made it in impossible to hold on to these angles as there are too many to think about in normal conversation starting time. e.g. I don't want to sound demanding nor do I want to sound too fragile... How would those sound? How do I get around sounding like that? If that makes any sense..?
Do I enjoy this? Hell no.
What I do find enjoyable though is those frequent black outs that sometimes come about. When you get a sort of brain zap and all of a sudden you are on the second floor landing with a banana in your hand and then suddenly on the toilet, all the time working out who you are. This I see as fun as it is kind of like a rollercoaster. As long as I am somewhere safe and there are people somewhat keeping an eye on me. So this I enjoy thoroughly, especially the hilarity of the two hour long video of me I watch in the morning -.-
Breaking through on Salvia I enjoyed after I had came down. During of which I lost all ego and was reborn to my mates in fits of hysterics which through me straight into hell as I was born and being laughed at like a crippled animal about to be put down. So to this I believe that bad times on stupid doses aren't that great at the time but if you have some memory of what happened can be pretty cool and unbelievable when you look back on it.
 
PandaGun said:
I wrote a post on another thread about this. Being unable to talk can be a serious bitch and truly worrying in whatever situation. I start talking... "David can you... rizla" or in a more needed conversation "Excuse me where... station" it's as if there are two megaphones relaying the start and end of a sentence and blanking the middle. Not to mention anxiety about needing to find waterloo quickly can seem to reflect as anger from pedestrians. As the trip gets stronger or further into it, it has on one occasion completely removed my ability to talk. Trying to think back to it; I cannot remember if it was due to inability to understand the point of the conversation immediately before I have talked .or. if I was trying to see what I was saying from every angle a human could see it at which made it in impossible to hold on to these angles as there are too many to think about in normal conversation starting time. e.g. I don't want to sound demanding nor do I want to sound too fragile... How would those sound? How do I get around sounding like that? If that makes any sense..?
Do I enjoy this? Hell no.
What I do find enjoyable though is those frequent black outs that sometimes come about. When you get a sort of brain zap and all of a sudden you are on the second floor landing with a banana in your hand and then suddenly on the toilet, all the time working out who you are. This I see as fun as it is kind of like a rollercoaster. As long as I am somewhere safe and there are people somewhat keeping an eye on me. So this I enjoy thoroughly, especially the hilarity of the two hour long video of me I watch in the morning -.-
Breaking through on Salvia I enjoyed after I had came down. During of which I lost all ego and was reborn to my mates in fits of hysterics which through me straight into hell as I was born and being laughed at like a crippled animal about to be put down. So to this I believe that bad times on stupid doses aren't that great at the time but if you have some memory of what happened can be pretty cool and unbelievable when you look back on it.
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Thanks so much for relating all of this to me. The roller coaster aspect of it is fun and all, but I don't know if I could even stomach to watch what I looked like during my last experience. :|
 
I aim for the heights but have never gotten blackouts (except for when on deliriants).

Brain zaps however, when on high doses, leave me giddy. I love the few minutes it takes to remember who/what/where you are and what you are doing.
 
To Be 100% honest The only time I can say I "black out" is like with Ego death, and I aim for that all the time. With Mushrooms I will forget who I am what people even are or what time is, but I dont "black out" I am not even sure how I would black out as my mind is going a million miles a hour but I guess that is where every body is different with Psys I dont think I would like it though from what you describe.

For me though ego death is the goal of a heroic dose.
 
^ thank you for sharing!

So you enjoy the ego death experience? Fascinating. I used to aim for ego death with mushrooms and LSD when I was younger, but now I'm only aiming for an ego death type experience on DMT.

I appreciate that you posted in my thread though, I'm finding that there aren't too many people like us who have ever aimed or currently aim for an ego death type experience.
 
^ I am a psychonaut ( explorer of the Psyche ) I like to go really really deep with Psychedelics and Disos a lot of people think it a pissing competition with dosing but that couldn't be further from the truth.
Sure I take High dose trips but that is no different or more worthy than lose or mild doses. Its not Like I get a sticker in the end of it anyways :P

Ego on Dmt I find to be more "real" like it could almost be a possible where LSD seems little out there and synthetic for my tastes. Still love it though :D
 
Well said. :)

I'm thinking probably less than 1 in 4 psychedelic users aim for ego loss when they trip... I'd really like a poll to determine if people aim for ego loss when they trip, or if they ever have. I might have to PM one of the moderators to get it, but I'm patient. :)
 
I think its also great about ego death not being too dose related. There are People who have taken 4 grams of Cubes in a very good setting and Poof ego death. Yeah tell me when that poll get approved haha * waits* :P
 
My first ever psychedelic experience was a level 5 with ayahuasca. It traumatized me pretty much, but it's been so many years I think I would be prepared for it nowadays. It was no doubt the scariest experience of my life. These days I very rarely take psychedelics, perhaps a few times a year, but when I do, I usually aim for somewhere around level 3-4, depending on the substance and occasion. Salvia however is an exception, it would be weird NOT to tear this reality to utter pieces and replace it with the salvia one, so I guess I could say I actually enjoy a level 5 salvia experience, as much as anyone can possibly enjoy a non-recreational tool.

Often I prefer to mix and match to create interesting mindsets and headspaces instead of taking ridiculous doses. It's like, "hmm I want synesthesia, a cheerful child like mentality, plenty of energy, bright visuals and lots of colors... 2c-e and mushrooms it is". Instead of "I wonder what's going to happen if I eat this whole sheet of acid".
 
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^Thanks for responding! :)

Sounds like your first trip was an amazing one. How long did it last?
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I believe it was around 6 hours, atleast that's the number I stuck in my head, it happened 7-8 years ago too. During it I felt like I was operating outside time though, it felt like an eternity. I lost all visual and audio contact with surrounding reality during the peak, eventually all I could see was one color at a time and hear one tone at a time. It took some time before I regained the ability to speak when I started coming down, at the tail end of it all I used simple hand gestures as desperate attempts to communicate with my friend who took the brew with me.

No regrets though. I have become what I am partly because of this experience.
 
I aim for +++ or ++++ when tripping alone, ++ when tripping with others (because I usually play sitter).

I seem to have an uncanny ability to hold it together during intense experiences. My first ever psychedelic experience was a moderate 60x Salvia hit, which basically sent me into the next galaxy. That rude introduction to psychs seems to have ingrained in me an ability to "automatically" let go of the ego without thinking about it, and has let me use them as a tool for self improvement rather than a means to get off my face. The +++/++++ trips give me the most profound sense of enlightenment and introspectiveness, whereas I will barely notice a ++.

Also, others in this thread have highlighted that they enjoy a sense of control over the trip; I guess I'm kind of strange in that regard then, because I prefer to have as little control as possible. Prefer to learn its lessons, and I'm perfectly fine with that being emotionally & mentally challenging; it's the whole reason I do it at the end of the day. In the interests of HR I do have flatmates/neighbours that do the same and will bring me round if things get out of hand.

Kinda helps having a (very) open mind and the right people around you.
 
interesting. i've had numerous ego-death trips, which i aimed for.about 90% of the time i returned with a positive mind and overall enjoyed this surreal chaos. there are states that are really hard to describe. they feel like "inbetween" worlds. i also had phases where time stood still, and i saw my future and everyones future and past movement in the room as "outlines" like in an animation program (onion skinning) and i could "snap" into other outlines.. this maybe 10-20 seconds feel like i'd be in a windtunnel, its loud, windy and my hand "melt" into future or past outlines where ever i come to close. i once thought thats a outter body experience but as people told me i was awake and actually moving around, just had absolutely no idea where i was.

on a mix of dissociatives and tryptamines i happen to have these complete ego deaths where i see and feel "my soul" (not being religious here, or lets say the experience point of view) definitely leaving my body or where i am lying around. its mostly getting me into outter space or inside molecules or any other surreal world that can hardly be described. i have absolutely no "me" there and feel everything as everyone and nothing at the same time. its fascinating and yeah i enjoy this complete surreal replacement with reality, however i also had some downsides to my journey with emotions of "feeling people you love die" and getting back crying and confused and pretty vulnerable.

nowadays its depending on my mindset and of course the setting. i dont deliberately overshoot out of 100% comfy zones anymore, but then i gotta admit, from time to time i like this complete "ego reset" with a heavy dose or a very hard mix (like DMT and MXE for instance)
 
Thanks for sharing everyone.

I'm amazed that people can aim for this state willingly after having done it enough times myself, I'd be happy not to get there with any long lasting psychedelics ever again. I'm sure DMT is the only drug I will get to that level of again.
 
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