Stimulants Interactions between Adderall and 4-FA?

[hatrix]

I last dosed 4-FA around 16 hours ago. I have 40mg of Adderall XR that I was going to crush up and plug later on around 8. Would this be any cause for concern since I took 4-FA last night ? I've drank a lot of water, took magnesium and my multivitamins. I ate a meal a couple hours ago. I still have some slight chest tightness and cold fingers along with constantly being aware of my heartbeat. I usually experience slight anxiety so it's not surprising I still have these symptoms. Also some slight jaw clenching still. I'll usually experience these symptoms the entire next day after taking 4-FA. I would think it would be completely out of my system by now though and taking the adderall should be safe.

 

[pasha]

You always risk both neurotoxicity and serotonin syndrome with these kind of stimulant combinations.

 

[LOGan1314]

I would definately not dose these two in the same day. 4-fa supposedly lasts a loonngg time and think about how bad your crash is going to be. Save the adderall for the next day.

 

[hatrix]

It's not the same day, It's been almost 24 hours since dosing the 4-FA and I have gotten a few hours of sleep.

Thing is though I don't really feel like my 4-FA is actually 4-FA. I know its supposed to last forever but this time it literally lasted less than 2 hours and then I was just left with residual stimulation that made it so I couldn't sleep which is normal of 4-FA, but its main duration is usually 4-6 every other time I've had it.

 

[LOGan1314]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said it's been 16 hours so I thought you hadn't slept yet. How did you take the 4-fa? Orally?

Also, alot of people think that because they order RC's (or however you got it) that it is going to be quite pure and the RC they asked for. This is far from true. Even reputable compaines will rip people off when they feel like it. And, if it were me, I would wait till I got 7-8 hours of sleep and get some good food in me before I took the adderalls. IME amphetamines work ALOT better when you are well rested/ nourished. Stay safe man!

 

[hatrix]

I hear you man, the scene isn't the safest place.

I've had two full meals now today and have gotten at least 3 hours of sleep. I actually plugged the 4-FA so honestly it should be out of my system faster than if taken orally. Certainly didn't last long. I'm not to worried, after taking a nap earlier my anxiety issues I stated before were gone as I expected. I'm going to preload with some magnesium and most likely take a multivitamin again a couple hours after dosing.

I mean I see people go on 5 day meth binges and not die of cardiovascular problems, which is crazy to me, so I think I should be fine. Thanks for the advice and help though !

 

[6apbhmm]

Scaring OP by possibility of serotonin syndrom is exaggerating a lot in this case, unless you took quite huge dose of 4-FA, which you obviously didn't, you're past comedown already and it should be fully excreted from your body as it happens fast with FAs, and brain returning to normal. Since you say you also had a meal, I wouldn't be afraid much, if anything it will feel weaker in effects (well, it's likely). Now it mainly depends on how you feel, chest tightness can be very uncomfortable but if that's gone I think you're fine.

Not denying that full 8 hour sleep would be better though.

As you say people do 5days meth binges (and more, even heard about 7-10 days), generally immediate heart failures from too much stims are quite rare BUT nobody will tell you how much those binges damage the heart permanently. People who binge on meth in their teens, then quit using in their 20s can feel fine for the next 10 years and one day just suffer heart attack when they're 30 instead of when they're 65... And it's hard to tell to what extent it was caused by bad food, lack of sport and to what extent by those stims...

 

[hatrix]

I wasn't worried about serotonin syndrome since Adderall mainly acts on dopamine. But with the meth thing, that's just scary to me. I could never binge on any stim honestly. It's pretty rare for me to even dose again in the same week, so this is a rare occasion. I had taken less than 200mg of 4-FA last night. First dose was around 100mg plugged, then about 65mg plugged 2 hours later. I'm usually a single dose kind of person. If I don't get it right with the first dose I don't think there's much point in redosing with stimulants.

I took the 40mg of Adderall XR around 8 almost 2 hours ago. It's pretty mild as I didn't crush the beads up all to well, kind of on purpose honestly. Not really even experiencing any anxiety which I'm sure I would be if I had taken 4-FA again. I'm taking a preference to Adderall over 4-FA lately. Used to be the other way around.

 

[6apbhmm]

Taking just one bigger dose is definitely the way all stims should be taken, 90% of all problems come from multiple redosing which some people (at least on certain stims) just can't resist. 4-FA is a "fair" stim as it's so euphoric yet not too fiendish.

With stims, for many people including me it's actually safer to take 1 bigger dose at once, there is always slight urge to do more but it goes away very quickly when people occupy their minds with something, plus you're more likely to listen to your voice that tells you already took enough. When I start with small dose I'll just say to myself that taking one more small dose can't be bad and once I redose once, I will redose twice, thrice.. but I never did more than 48 hours on any stim, since 2nd day every next dose just makes you feel worse so I don't multi days long binges either.

 

[hatrix]

I would never have the time to binge anyways, with work and going to class. Staying up last night from the 4-FA was a poor decision and that was just one night.

I find with redosing it adds to the negative effects about doubly while maybe only increasing the initial high 1.5x. You need to take around equal to the original dose however. Of course this depends on what drug exactly but it seems that way for the most part. When I had tried mephedrone for the first few times, I redosed with the same exact amount 2 hours later and holy shit I was flying higher than ever.

Redosing also means resetting the amount of time you had until you would be able to sleep....

 

[6apbhmm]

Starting with offtopic here but whatever, a bit OT posts like this are in every thread anyway

Well most people who started binging on stims didn't initially have the time either as they all went to work or school, they all thought that it was just this one time and from now on they will use responsibly. In the beginning they just take one or two days off, call in sick or find other excuse and maintain normal lives for some time... it can go like that for months without anyone noticing but at some point they will just stop caring about job/school and are fired/drop out because the only thing that makes them happy (or at least normal) is the next dose. Even in deepest addiction you can totally realize and KNOW that you should to sleep, eat, and realize that the 7th redose (just 7th..? with short lasting stims some people can redose 40+ times..) will make you feel marginally better, but the promise of even weak short lasting euphoria will persuade you it's not that bad.

As I said I never binged more than 48 hours, nowadays I even always sleep the same day I take a stim so I don't really talk from my own experience much. I just want to say that I fully understand that very long binges can easily happen to anyone who underestimates things like meth, before I tried stims myself I thought it's either all bullshit or those people who binge are batshit crazy but this is not the case. You can be smart and educated about the drug lots but if the euphoric recall is strong, you listen..

 

[tentram]

FWIW - 4-fa isn't very long lasting at all, a few hours tops as mentioned earlier. however, 4-FMA is a lot longer acting.

 

[6apbhmm]

^ Yes I don't know where anybody read that it should last 5 hours and if it doesn't it's poor batch. For me the main euphoria only lasts 2, maybe 3 hours.

 

[hatrix]

I know what to expect for myself from 4-FA, and it was not the usual. That's what I'm saying. Duration was cut in half.

Residual stimulation can last up to 10 hours....

 

[tentram]

^ Yes I don't know where anybody read that it should last 5 hours and if it doesn't it's poor batch. For me the main euphoria only lasts 2, maybe 3 hours.

yep, same here, mate. after those 2-3hrs it's mainly just a wired feeling with no euphoria - as if you're hopped up on coffee or something i guess. mainly peripheral effects.

I know what to expect for myself from 4-FA, and it was not the usual. That's what I'm saying. Duration was cut in half.

Residual stimulation can last up to 10 hours....

are you 100% sure you're not confusing 4-FA with 4-FMA? 10 hours seems extremely long in my opinion and from my experience. i binged on 2 or 3 grams over 2 days and it never lasted more than a couple hours before i was back to base and able to redose, and residual effects aside i would go straight back to the high experienced before. though, i'm sure tolerance would develop rapidly with this substance if using regularly and constant re-dosing.

 

[onetwo]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said it's been 16 hours so I thought you hadn't slept yet. How did you take the 4-fa? Orally?
IME amphetamines work ALOT better when you are well rested/ nourished. Stay safe man!

I agree! I've noticed that personally amphetamines feel much much more effective when I am well rested and feel good. That is the only reason that I wouldn't do it in your situation without having a good night's rest.

 

[hatrix]

are you 100% sure you're not confusing 4-FA with 4-FMA? 10 hours seems extremely long in my opinion and from my experience. i binged on 2 or 3 grams over 2 days and it never lasted more than a couple hours before i was back to base and able to redose, and residual effects aside i would go straight back to the high experienced before. though, i'm sure tolerance would develop rapidly with this substance if using regularly and constant re-dosing.

I'm positive. I haven't been able to source 4-FMA for over a year and have no intentions of trying to. I've had both and 4-FMA is horribly dirty and gave me some pretty bad and worrying heart palpitations. I've probably had around 2-3gs of 4-FMA. This was over a long period of time but after my last knew it wasn't a good chem. I've had 4-FA so many countless times from a lot of different vendors. I'm positive what I usually get is actual 4-FA. By residual stimulation I mean mainly peripheral side effects and not being able to sleep. There is zero euphoria and it's honestly more of a shitty feeling. This was agreed among many people on numerous forums I've perused.

I agree! I've noticed that personally amphetamines feel much much more effective when I am well rested and feel good. That is the only reason that I wouldn't do it in your situation without having a good night's rest.

I'd agree too. I was bored and said fuck it though. I didn't even take that much and while the comedown left me with some annoying shallow breaths, I feel perfectly fine today after being able to sleep like 10 hours last night. Just a little tired.

 

[Lady Codone]

IMHO, neurotoxicity (vague term that it is) and serotonin syndrome are not the main risk with something like this. Overstimulation of the heart and increased blood pressure are. If OP is worried about overdosing on stimulants and stroking out, have a benzo on hand in case things get out of hand. I wouldn't worry though because of all the time that's passed since the 4-FA.

It's not something I'd do regularly, nor would I combine 4-FA with other stimulants.

 

[hatrix]

Agreed. I had some uncomfortable peripheral stimulation for a good 24 hours after taking the adderall. Glad to feel normal now.

 

[tentram]

I'm positive what I usually get is actual 4-FA. By residual stimulation I mean mainly peripheral side effects and not being able to sleep. There is zero euphoria and it's honestly more of a shitty feeling. This was agreed among many people on numerous forums I've perused.

yeah, well, that definitely sounds as though it was likely 4-FA and not 4-FMA. after using i didn't find sleeping or even trying to get to sleep, and without the aid of anything such as a benzo.