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Benzos I currently have some acute stress/fight flight is it a good idea to use benzoes?

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Harambulus

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I pretty much live constantly in fight or flight mode currently and it feels im at the brink of mental collapse if the smallest things don;t go to plan- which happens very often.

I seem to get full blown panic attacks form one cup of coffee and oftentimes and paralyzed by indecision like every choice i would make would be wrong so I just lock up until I eventually do something due to the time having elapsed. A good example of this is how you know if you;re in the street and walking towards someone and one of you moves and sometimes the other one moves in the same direciton and theres sometimes like this 'shuffle' till you both get out of each others way. Well for a long time now ive had this thing where i seem to not know which way to go which throws the otehr person off so that we may be doing a 'dance' for several seconds until apologizing to one another and finally getting out of each other's way.

Like someone pilling more and more on my back and since im almost at ful cpaacity just the smallest things could overload me- or a cpu at 100% processing will cause errors above that.

Anyhow ive been looking at the official uses for benzoes and they are used for this.

I know why i am stressed but its due to outside factors which wont be solved any time soon- work and social not going well.

So is it a good idea to take benzoes to give me some breathing space and allow me to be more productive or should i just wallow in misery indefinitely and pray it will abate one day?

I know this if form stress/overwork and i havent really made a concerted effort to cut down my workload cos i have my own business and theres always work to be done. Quesiton is when are drugs an acceptable answer vs trying non drug methods.

Naturally exploring non drug ways to solve the issue is best which im doing as admittedly id neglected this area of my life as i just wanted to work work work til its reached breaking point.

So it begs the question of when is it appropriate to use drugs to aid in these situations? Im not tlaking about daily btw as id never want some strong drug daily if i could hlep it but i mean like once every week or two like someone would have a beer or joint to release pressure in the evening.

Im thinking the general philosophy is explore all other avenues 1st since like i said i havent done yet.
 
How much exercise do you get in a day?

The difference between anxiety and panic is pretty intense; I would only use benzos if you are having a panic attack. Taking it for every day anxiety can be disastrous.
 
good call. i guess liek the difference between using amps recreaitonally vs to function day to day

also that would more be along the lines id be wanting to use them for- srorta recreatioanlly altho they have a function in terms of giving me a breather from my otehrwise unceasingly stressful lifestyle but isnt that the whole point of recreation in general?
 
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Harambulus said:
I pretty much live constantly in fight or flight mode currently and it feels im at the brink of mental collapse if the smallest things don;t go to plan- which happens very often.

I seem to get full blown panic attacks form one cup of coffee and oftentimes and paralyzed by indecision like every choice i would make would be wrong so I just lock up until I eventually do something due to the time having elapsed. A good example of this is how you know if you;re in the street and walking towards someone and one of you moves and sometimes the other one moves in the same direciton and theres sometimes like this 'shuffle' till you both get out of each others way. Well for a long time now ive had this thing where i seem to not know which way to go which throws the otehr person off so that we may be doing a 'dance' for several seconds until apologizing to one another and finally getting out of each other's way.

Like someone pilling more and more on my back and since im almost at ful cpaacity just the smallest things could overload me- or a cpu at 100% processing will cause errors above that.

Anyhow ive been looking at the official uses for benzoes and they are used for this.

I know why i am stressed but its due to outside factors which wont be solved any time soon- work and social not going well.

So is it a good idea to take benzoes to give me some breathing space and allow me to be more productive or should i just wallow in misery indefinitely and pray it will abate one day?

I know this if form stress/overwork and i havent really made a concerted effort to cut down my workload cos i have my own business and theres always work to be done. Quesiton is when are drugs an acceptable answer vs trying non drug methods.

Naturally exploring non drug ways to solve the issue is best which im doing as admittedly id neglected this area of my life as i just wanted to work work work til its reached breaking point.

So it begs the question of when is it appropriate to use drugs to aid in these situations? Im not tlaking about daily btw as id never want some strong drug daily if i could hlep it but i mean like once every week or two like someone would have a beer or joint to release pressure in the evening.

Im thinking the general philosophy is explore all other avenues 1st since like i said i havent done yet.
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Just wondering, do you take amphetamine?

I used to go through the exact same things you do.. I just assumed it was my amphetamine use causing it, but the social anxiety didn't go away during a year long break.

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Perhaps the best thing to do is just not care so much about what other people think. There are probably thousands of people you have to walk past every day -- you can't be catering to the needs of each and every one.

I also used to get panic attacks from coffee -- but I attributed this to a permanent side effect of benzodiazepine withdrawal... I was on benzos for something like 5-6 months, and the withdrawals lasted a good month, and the anxiety levels from withdrawals never went back down to the baseline they were at before taking benzos. That's right, benzos worsen anxiety eventually. The only time I can advocate for their safe use is for derailing a panic attack; and I don't mean an "ehh i feel a bit nervous" 'panic attack', I mean a full blown panic attack, like 'debating the pros and cons of going to the ER' kind of panic attack.. That's the only time I view benzodiazepine use as healthy decision making (excluding stimulant overdose or a seizure or any other kind of medical emergency where a benzo could actually save a life).
 
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lots of people use them for comedowns form stims tho dont they without issue. not saying they SHOULD just saying.

lol great harm reduction...dont do benzoes do opiates instead.

anywho ye ill be fine without, i went for a train ride today which was alright as a change of scenary so i think ill just do stuff like this to release stress.

and no i dont take amphetmaine, as i said in op ive been t total for 6 months.
 
Panic attacks are a tick in the flight/fight response which triggers adrenaline. Beta-blockers have some proven efficacy in treating this since they stop adrenaline. Look into that or CBT before making a decision which you'll regret for the rest of your life.

Your right in that one of the above users mentioned using opioids which is against harm reduction. Irregardless, opioid addiction multiplied by 100 is a piece of cake compared to severe benzodiazepine addiction and withdrawal.
 
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lots of people use them for comedowns form stims tho dont they without issue. not saying they SHOULD just saying.

lol great harm reduction...dont do benzoes do opiates instead.

anywho ye ill be fine without, i went for a train ride today which was alright as a change of scenary so i think ill just do stuff like this to release stress.

and no i dont take amphetmaine, as i said in op ive been t total for 6 months.
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i gave you an educated warning =P if you use opiates recreationally, you're going to get addicted so long as you can get them and afford to keep buying more, is that clear enough? and if you ever mix them with benzos or alcohol, the probability of death becomes all to realistic.

And benzos? Do you fancy getting seizures after you quit taking a drug that wasn't even that fun to begin with? As far as harm reduction goes, stay the fuck away from benzos unless you think you may actually need them for something serious. They will take away your memory and you will black out and wake up 3 months later wondering why you made such an ass of yourself. You will wake up in ways you thought were rumor or superstition (vomit on your shirt, empty pill bottle next to you, pants off lying in the front yard). You will say things to other people you didn't think you'd ever actually say to them. You will SLEEP for 48 hours at a time, and when your loved ones try to wake you up because they're scared, you will yell at them and tell them to go fuck themselves.

Is this grim? It fucking should be. You are flirting with death.
 
buspar is absolute shit and comes with the side effects of irritability and agitation. Weigh out your options, there are many medicines that can help with acute stress, benzos aren't really going to help. If you figure out why you're stressed or what you can do to change your life so that you aren't stressed then that's an easy fix. If you hate your life and your job or whatever then change them to something you do like. Benzos are warranted for serious panic disorders or in situations where your quality of life is severely limited due to anxiety, but good luck getting a Dr. on board with that.
 
I think its not a good idea to use benzodiazepines, and that if amphetamines are involved they are almost certainly exacerbating your anxiety / acute stress.

I don't think you need benzodiazepines, but I'm not a healthcare professional, this is a harm reduction internet forum so that's the type of responses you should expect to receive. I don't condone the abuse of opioids in place of benzodiazepines, that's silly.

You'd be better off treating the underlying conditions, like how you deal with the stress of everyday life, work, school, etc, instead of trying to come up with some perfect panacea combination of drugs that will make you happy and successful in life.... having that much faith in medicine is delusional, and if anything time has shown over and over, if you rely on drugs as the sole line of treatment for psychiatric conditions, things are going to get worse before they get better.

I think your chances of finding peace and happiness are much higher without amphetamines or benzodiazepines.
 
^^ I agree.

Thinking only about when to take the next dose, how much to take, what to take etc. Then sobering up (usually while sleeping) then waking up and going through that cycle of thinking and doing again isn't much of a life.
And you are not alone.
Do your best to try and find out what is triggering this thought pattern (using benzos to "get through it" will help you get through it, but it won't tell you how to deal with the situation.
So you land up in a situation that is traumatizing you, a situation you hate, and you actually, subconsciously, stay in that situation forever or until you find a way to avoid it.
The benzos will keep you in that dormant state unless you see a therapist, or similar, to actually talk about it live, and not isolating yourself by looking for answers through medication and/or the internet.
 
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Yeah. As someone who spent half their life dependent on benzos, it's no way to live, and studies have shown that like me, many long term benzodiazepine users start out as daily dosers then find their anxiety is better controlled taken as needed instead of daily. Yes, it involves some confrontation with your fears but its good for you. I personally ended a decade of dependency and having since quit and not being dependent anymore, I've grown so much as an individual. Now I only take benzos when I REALLY need them for insomnia and panic, i dont allow myself to dose for anxiety anymore.
 
benzos are just a band-aid for you problems. they do more harm than good for most people. i just ended a very long dependency on them (i really don't even think i needed them in the first place) and i ended up having a seizure, passing out and splitting my head open needing 17 stitches. shit was wack

i mean, unless you have absolutely crippling anxiety that is ruining your life, i think they are horrible for people.
 
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I think its not a good idea to use benzodiazepines, and that if amphetamines are involved they are almost certainly exacerbating your anxiety / acute stress.

I don't think you need benzodiazepines, but I'm not a healthcare professional, this is a harm reduction internet forum so that's the type of responses you should expect to receive. I don't condone the abuse of opioids in place of benzodiazepines, that's silly.

You'd be better off treating the underlying conditions, like how you deal with the stress of everyday life, work, school, etc, instead of trying to come up with some perfect panacea combination of drugs that will make you happy and successful in life.... having that much faith in medicine is delusional, and if anything time has shown over and over, if you rely on drugs as the sole line of treatment for psychiatric conditions, things are going to get worse before they get better.

I think your chances of finding peace and happiness are much higher without amphetamines or benzodiazepines.
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I just want to make it abundantly clear I am NOT telling him to start taking opiates.
I'm trying to convince him to not take anything at all

Sorry, this is a touchy subject for me. I had my own problems with benzos, beat them, and rarely look back. There are people in my life who are very close to me who are wasting away on benzos, and the few days out of the month they are actually coherent and I try telling them they need to stop it, they act like how they were acting never happened because they don't even remember it..

How good can a person be at being prescribed an abusable medication but not abusing it and only taking it as prescribed? What happens when 1mg of clonazepam doesn't get rid of that feeling of anxiety anymore and turns into 2mg, and before they know it they're swallowing 10mg at a time, going off to La La land, and not coming back for days?
 
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i took one of the above posters advice today and went for a run in the morning which seemed to have done the trick :P. ive felt nice and calm all day.
 
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I just want to make it abundantly clear I am NOT telling him to start taking opiates.
I'm trying to convince him to not take anything at all

Sorry, this is a touchy subject for me. I had my own problems with benzos, beat them, and rarely look back. There are people in my life who are very close to me who are wasting away on benzos, and the few days out of the month they are actually coherent and I try telling them they need to stop it, they act like how they were acting never happened because they don't even remember it..

How good can a person be at being prescribed an abusable medication but not abusing it and only taking it as prescribed? What happens when 1mg of clonazepam doesn't get rid of that feeling of anxiety anymore and turns into 2mg, and before they know it they're swallowing 10mg at a time, going off to La La land, and not coming back for days?
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Yeah I know what you mean, I too have seen and lived that walk of life, and it's no way to live, it's a way to die. However, in response to your last paragraph, I must say I do think that they can be successfully used long-term, but yes, in the wrong hands, these tools can cause destruction. Benzodiazepines are tools, not toys.
 
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