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Questions about aMT

Jackeh

Jackeh

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Tomorrow during my lunch break at work I'm (hopefully if it's still in stock) going to buy some alpha-methyltryptamine.

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I tried finding trip reports on Bluelight but I was either using the wrong search term or there are none. So I have a few questions:

  1. Erowid claims that a common oral dose is 20-40mg. It added a note that some users complained saying this dose was too low. Can anyone with experience recommend a safe dose for a first timer?
  2. It will come in pellet form, so I assume it is a salt. If I wanted could I smoke aMT salt with tobacco in a rolled cigarette, or would I have to smoke it freebase?
  3. If I had to make it freebase, would something like baking soda suffice to get freebase aMT, or would I need a strong base?
  4. *ID question removed*

I'm hoping to take this some time after Monday because my exams will be over and I hope to experience something new. I would take it this weekend, but as it's my first time I'm not willing to risk performing bad in my exams because of any after effects I overlooked.
 
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I'm always wary of "pellets". I don't like the way they are marketed by many of the vendors as "space dust" or other such nonsense. They typically come from shady vendors who have been known to adulterate or misrepresent their product with other things, and you can never really know what the dose is in each "pellet". It is much better to source the powder and weigh it out yourself, knowing what it is and how much you have.

Nevertheless, if you are going to go the pellet route you still need to get the dose right. What are the advertised dose of the pellets? A starting dose of aMT should indeed be somewhere between 20-40mg, more like 30mg I would say. You may very well want to go higher than this once you are used to the compound, but it's better to start on the low side.

If the pellets are higher dosed than this, you will need to break the pellet apart and dose a portion of the resulting powder equivalent to the percentage reduction between your target dose and the pellet dose. So, if the pellets are 50mg, and you wanted to dose 30mg, you would need to take 3/5 of the powder of the crushed pellet.

For this you will either need a milligram scale, or do it via liquid measurement. You could eyeball the fractions, and you would get away with it in this case because aMT has a relatively wide safety margin and the extra bulk of the pellets would reduce eyeballing errors further. However, I would urge you to reconsider, only due to the fact that if you are getting into the RC scene, you need to get yourself into the habit of doing things properly, even when you can get away with slacking.

Get a small bottle of vodka, a little glass vial like those sold to contain tea tree oil drops or such, and an oral syringe from the local chemist (you can buy them over the counter - just say you are measuring out oral medication for an infant or a pet).

Crush the pellet(s). Put the powder in the vial. Use the syringe to measure out a known quantity of vodka, say 10ml, and squirt it into the vial. You may need to make repeated sucks and squirts to get to the required volume of liquid. Then, work out the difference between the dose contained in the pellet(s) you used, and the desired dose: divide the desired dose by the pellet dose, eg:

30mg (desired)/ 50mg (pellet) = 0.6.

Multiply the result (0.6 in the above example) by the volume of liquid you used to dissolve your pellet(s). eg:

0.6 x 10ml = 6ml

Use the result from that calculation to determine the amount of liquid you you are going to take.



Or, you could just neck the pellet =D

(but seriously get used to these kinds of procedures and you will find dosing compounds to be much more consistent in your future trials)
 
Get powder freebase if you want to smoke it, don't go extracting pellets man. :/

Good help, SA ^

I removed the image and the ID question in the OP since it is against the rules to debate what some vendor might be selling. For one reason the false sense of security is unwanted. Plus the URL in images or people running google image queries on it...

Personally I did not find the 20-40 mg range of dosage to be that weak. But I think I started off with 5 mg, if only to test its anti-depressant activity.
 
Swimmingdancer said:
I think the problem with searching for it is that "AMT" is just 3 letters and out search engine doesn't like that, there is a 4 letter limit.

Here are a few threads on it I've found so far, not sure if they'll help you much though:
AMT - 5th Time - AMTrip To The Hospital
Weird Amt (alpha-methyltryptamine) experience?
AMT - Alpha-MethylTryptamine

I'm going to move this to Psychedelic Drugs as they should know more about it.

BDD -> PD
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I'll keep that in mind when searching for abbreviations. :P Thanks for the links.

Survived Abortion said:
What are the advertised dose of the pellets? A starting dose of aMT should indeed be somewhere between 20-40mg, more like 30mg I would say.
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Found a source online selling 30mg pellets containing stuff like microcrystalline cellulose as fillers and binders, but the shop I was going to go to doesn't have a label for ingredients or the dose of aMT per pellet, deciding not to buy it now until I get a bit more information.

Survived Abortion said:
However, I would urge you to reconsider, only due to the fact that if you are getting into the RC scene, you need to get yourself into the habit of doing things properly, even when you can get away with slacking.
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Luckily I'm careful with measurements whenever I know it's important. Would something like a pipette or burette be useful here, or is that a bit over the top for measuring doses?

Solipsis said:
Get powder freebase if you want to smoke it, don't go extracting pellets man. :/

Good help, SA ^

I removed the image and the ID question in the OP since it is against the rules to debate what some vendor might be selling. For one reason the false sense of security is unwanted. Plus the URL in images or people running google image queries on it...

Personally I did not find the 20-40 mg range of dosage to be that weak. But I think I started off with 5 mg, if only to test its anti-depressant activity.
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Sorry, I downloaded the image and reuploaded so it wouldn't have a vendors link in the URL, but I didn't think about the "false sense of security side".

I've a question about this then: When learning a from a few books, it told me freebase chemicals are in the form of an oil. I know this shouldn't be true because I've heard of crack cocaine, and it's freebase from what I know. Then I've heard people talking about freebase powders.

Is there any difference between crystalline/powdered and oil freebase chemicals?
 
Only that they are in different physical states. The freebase will always be the same form for each chemical. Freebase amphetamine is always an oil whereas freebase LSD is always a solid (at room temperature)
 
About dosing, you can always drop 3-7mg on a regular work day to get a first feel. For me real empathogenesis starts at 25mg.
 
I'll assume you've used aMT then, have you ever experienced the nausea? I don't mind if it makes me sick, but I don't want to be throwing up constantly when I was expected a mild sick feeling in my stomach.
 
It varies between people. No way to tell how you'll respond until you have tried it.
 
Jackeh said:
I'll keep that in mind when searching for abbreviations. :P Thanks for the links.



Found a source online selling 30mg pellets containing stuff like microcrystalline cellulose as fillers and binders, but the shop I was going to go to doesn't have a label for ingredients or the dose of aMT per pellet, deciding not to buy it now until I get a bit more information.
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Good choice. I would go with trying to source the powder - it doesn't matter if it's freebase or HCL, but freebase is a lot more common, and it is more potent because of the decreased molar mass.

Jackeh said:
Luckily I'm careful with measurements whenever I know it's important. Would something like a pipette or burette be useful here, or is that a bit over the top for measuring doses?
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Yes a pipette or burette would work great too, although a burette may be a bit cumbersome for this task unless you already have one set up. If you are not used to using these though, a plain syringe would be far preferable.


Jackeh said:
I've a question about this then: When learning a from a few books, it told me freebase chemicals are in the form of an oil. I know this shouldn't be true because I've heard of crack cocaine, and it's freebase from what I know. Then I've heard people talking about freebase powders.

Is there any difference between crystalline/powdered and oil freebase chemicals?
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DPT freebase is a viscous oil, whereas aMT freebase is a powder. It totally depends on the compound. The pharmacological results are still the same regardless.

Jackeh said:
I'll assume you've used aMT then, have you ever experienced the nausea? I don't mind if it makes me sick, but I don't want to be throwing up constantly when I was expected a mild sick feeling in my stomach.
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The reported nausea from aMT is overblown in my opinion. I have never experienced anything problematic with aMT in this regard; there may be a wave of nausea on the come-up, but it is highly unusual that you would be puking your guts up for the entire trip. That would be extraordinary. In my opinion it's no more nauseous than many other psychedelic phens and tryps.
 
I have never gotten nauseaus using aMT (max dose 40mg). Neither have the people I tried it with.
We always drop on empty stomach (not eaten 5-6hours prior). I have never even felt an uneasy stomach. Not with any psychedelic though, only once with raw truffles.
I also smoke weed, maybe that has to do with it.. ?
 
Cannabis does help with nausea but you're right, some people are much less prone to it than others.
 
A little update. I got some AMT. I plan on taking it orally this Friday at a nightclub. I'd rather take it in a different setting but this is the only way I can do it without my parents finding out as I'll be staying at a friend's house after.

I will be adding small updates to what happens in a note on my phone, then when I go home I'll do my best to expand the points into a detailed trip report.

Thanks for answering my questions everyone.
 
Will you be adjusting your dose to that setting? Especially considering it can be tricky to try a new substance in a relatively uncontrolled environment.

Seems like it is a nice opportunity to see what kind of general feeling you get from AMT by taking a limited dose. That would be extra smart since starting low is always a golden rule, even if it is an unwritten rule.

I would personally find it much more pleasurable to go out on a limited dose, a la low to moderate dose of 2C-B, instead of tripping your nuts off in the midst of a crowd while disorienting flashing lights are baraging you.

} Basically this is my way of asking out of curiosity how much you will be taking.
 
Hm, I thought I had added how much I was taking, apparently not. I also decided to change the plan slightly. Found out a friend is having a load of people over to their house for a night, so I'll be going there where the environment will hopefully be a lot calmer for experimenting than a nightclub. Will be taking 35mg in total.

Would you recommend I just take the 35mg, or would it be better taking 20mg then another 15mg later when I get a feel for the effects?
 
35mg is on the high side, (regarding it's your first aMT trip) but certainly doable for someone who is familiar with "tripping".
Do it at once, on an empty stomach, with lots of water and fruit and magnesium supplement for after it has kicked in (+/- 3hours).

Also keep in mind this is a long one. 35mg last time lasted me 24hours, last 8hours not tripping balls to the walls but certainly not back yet.
Prepare your body and mind so it's up for the task.
 
I'd say I'm as prepared as I could be considering it's my first real psychedelic. I will be using cannabis too as I've heard it gives a boost to the psychedelic side as well as helping slightly with nausea. Only problem is magnesium supplements. I've seen magnesium sulfate sold in a pharmacy, would these suffice?
 
Me I wouldn't go over 20-25 mg but bear in mind I react pretty strongly to it, I get put into a mellow trance and float away in dreams and then fall asleep. But you should always consider the possibility that you react strongly to it as well.

Maybe you can start early and lower your dose, then after waiting for the comeup which is indeed 2.5-3 hours you could add the rest to get the full 35 mg if necessary.

If the 20-25 turns out to be enough you basically took everything (everything being the 20-25 that turns out to be your total) at once.
If you supplement the rest, it is basically spacing your doses. So it depends on how you look at it. : P
 
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