• 🇬🇧󠁿 🇸🇪 🇿🇦 🇮🇪 🇬🇭 🇩🇪 🇪🇺
    European & African
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • EADD Moderators: Pissed_and_messed | Shinji Ikari

Jimmy Savile (aka: paedo speculation megathread)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Aye, that makes sense to be fair.

Although, if that was the case, that it's basically a "learned-behaviour", you'd think they could unlearn it - Which doesn't seem to be possible. Maybe it is, I've not seen anything about peado rehabilitation rates. I don't think you could ever fully "fix" a peado other than just to suppress them acting on the urge to fuck a kid. Like, you could get them to realise that the consequences outweigh the reward so that they don't do it, but I think they'd always want to.

I could be wrong though. You'd know more than me, I've never been a peado ;)
 
parttime crackhead said:
Aye, that makes sense to be fair.

Although, if that was the case, that it's basically a "learned-behaviour", you'd think they could unlearn it - Which doesn't seem to be possible. Maybe it is, I've not seen anything about peado rehabilitation rates. I don't think you could ever fully "fix" a peado other than just to suppress them acting on the urge to fuck a kid.
Click to expand...

To me, even someone caused by their genetics or environment to be a paedophile, should be able to see the wrong in what they're doing, and suppress the urge, there will always be some people who are unable to suppress an urge, but even they must know what they are doing is morally wrong.

And then there are people who genuinely have no sense of what is right or wrong, but they are very few and far between.
 
Mailmonkey said:
To me, even someone caused by their genetics or environment to be a paedophile, should be able to see the wrong in what they're doing, and suppress the urge, there will always be some people who are unable to suppress an urge, but even they must know what they are doing is morally wrong.

And then there are people who genuinely have no sense of what is right or wrong, but they are very few and far between.
Click to expand...

But what's right and wrong is surely defined by culture. That's why it changes over time, and geographically. And culture is transmitted through experience. It seems pretty reasonable to me that child molesters (paedophiles who act on their urges) have a "funny" idea of what's right and wrong. Even if they say they know it's wrong, there is a difference between saying something and actually believing it.

And this is not the same as saying "it's OK"!
 
parttime crackhead said:
Oh aye, of course. I wasn't trying to say it was OK
Click to expand...

I know, I was trying to agree with you, obviously didn't come across like that

knockando said:
It seems pretty reasonable to me that child molesters (paedophiles who act on their urges) have a "funny" idea of what's right and wrong.
Click to expand...

I don't think there are many child molesters who don't know that what they are doing is wrong. But i don't know.
 
Mailmonkey said:
I don't think there are many child molesters who don't know that what they are doing is wrong. But i don't know.
Click to expand...

I think for most people you can tell what they think is right and wrong by their behaviour. If they keep doing it, they obviously think it's OK. If they don't, then they don't.

Maybe they're conflicted, but if they do it then the "it's OK, do it" bit of them won.
 
Mailmonkey said:
I know, I was trying to agree with you, obviously didn't come across like that
Click to expand...

It didn't seem like you were disagreeing, I just wanted to clarify for anyone else reading that I wasn't saying "It's OK to fuck kids coz it's in your genes".

knockando said:
I think for most people you can tell what they think is right and wrong by their behaviour. If they keep doing it, they obviously think it's OK. If they don't, then they don't.
Click to expand...

I don't agree with that. How would you not know that it's wrong to fuck a kid? Only if they were completely isolated from society could you possibly say that someone didn't know it was wrong. For example, someone who continually robs people still knows that it's wrong but decides to do it anyway, surely?

If they didn't know that it was wrong why would they even attempt to hide it? I'm pretty sure most child molesters don't just blatantly do it then tell strangers about it down the pub.
 
parttime crackhead said:
I don't agree with that. How would you not know that it's wrong to fuck a kid? Only if they were completely isolated from society could you possibly say that someone didn't know it was wrong. For example, someone who continually robs people still knows that it's wrong but decides to do it anyway, surely?
Click to expand...

Perhaps if, as a child, you'd been fucked repeatedly by an adult, then you'd internalise that "this is OK behaviour for an adult". At the risk of pulling a cliché out of my bag.

And I don't agree that it's wrong to rob. If you're starving, it's OK to rob someone/some company with plenty money/food.
 
parttime crackhead said:
If that was the case wouldn't it just take someone saying "Here mate, that's actually not alright" to make them stop?
Click to expand...

No, not at all. I'm sure you've been told something's not right many times and not accepted it just like that. Drugs for instance? Not the best example but it is an example.

A child's experience of being fucked by an adult is surely more powerful than someone saying "it's not OK for adults to fuck kids".
 
parttime crackhead said:
Read the rest of my post. I expand a little on that point. They definitely do know that it's wrong (how could they not???), but because of whatever else (genetics, life experiences, whatever) they don't care that it's wrong.
Click to expand...

If you read my post properly, I don't agree that they know it's wrong, and I give a reason, so the second half of your post doesn't come into it!
 
We'll need to just disagree on that then. I don't think there's any way at all that someone can not know that it's wrong to fuck a kid (unless completely isolated from society, as I mentioned earlier or extremely retarded).

You don't seem to really be accepting that people do things that they know are wrong.
 
parttime crackhead said:
We'll need to just disagree on that then. I don't think there's any way at all that someone can not know that it's wrong to fuck a kid (unless completely isolated from society, as I mentioned earlier).

You don't seem to really be accepting that people do things that they know are wrong.
Click to expand...

I think the vast majority of adults only do things that they think are OK. They might be aware that people/newspapers/the tv say it's not OK, but compared to the lesson of childhood experience it's not a particularly strong message.

Anyway, you win, I'm out of here!
 
The vast majority of adults don't fuck children. The ones who do know it's wrong but decide to do it anyway. Just like the vast majority of adults don't go on killing sprees but the ones who do know that it's wrong (in 99.99% of cases) but just decide to do it anyway.

Not everyone cares if something is wrong or not.

I've done things in the past that I knew were wrong but I chose to do them anyway (I'm only talking about petty-theft/vandalism etc btw, before anyone draws the wrong conclusions from that statement).
 
parttime crackhead said:
The vast majority of adults don't fuck children. The ones who do know it's wrong but decide to do it anyway. Just like the vast majority of adults don't go on killing sprees but the ones who do know that it's wrong (in 99.99% of cases) but just decide to do it anyway.

Not everyone cares if something is wrong or not.

I've done things in the past that I knew were wrong but I chose to do them anyway (I'm only talking about petty-theft/vandalism etc btw, before anyone draws the wrong conclusions from that statement).
Click to expand...

The fact that you say the things you did were "only" petty theft and vandalism suggests you don't think they were all that wrong, don't you think?

How do you know if someone cares if something is wrong or not? I'm just using Occam's razor. People doing things they think are OK is a simpler explanation than people doing things they think are wrong but somehow deciding they will do them anyway.
 
So you genuinely think that people only do things that they think are right? That people who do things that are wrong all believe that they are right? People don't do things knowing they are wrong but not caring that they are wrong? C'mon now. You don't think that at all.

I still think/thought/knew that the things I was doing were wrong, it doesn't matter how wrong I thought they were. I knew they were wrong, I decided to do them anyway. Smashing something up for the sake of smashing it up is 100% wrong, didn't stop me from doing it, because I didn't care that I was wrong. If I had been caught I wouldn't have even attempted to defend myself by saying "But I thought it was OK".
 
I do. I think people only do things (repeatedly, anyway) that they think are more OK than not OK. That doesn't mean they think that other people think they are OK.

Although I admit I don't know, and it might be more complicated, but it seems the simplest explanation.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top