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In my last year of highschool I am taking Health class as I just put it off until now, silly me, so I'm in a class with almost just me as the only senior and the rest, except a few, are all impressionable 14/15 y/olds.

We just reached the "Tobacco, Drugs, & Alcohol Unit", I knew I'd be put off, but not this sick to my stomach.

As soon as I arrived to class, the projector was already on the DVD screen of some drugfreeworld.org anti-drug campaign, I was shocked.

I quickly attempted to tell the teacher that this is entirely unethical and that he should know this site is owned by a scientology group. But he sort of shrugged and didn't care. As the last few days have gone by, I've watched the brainwashing of these kids begin. Absolutely ridiculous stuff. I couldn't even begin to name it all, but the root of the problem is that they group all drugs together as just a generalization of "drugs" are terrible, kill, and will kill you.

The teacher, to my shock, brought up "pharm-parties", I tried to explain that this is entirely made up by the media and that there has never been a single police report or actual citation of one taken place, nobody has ever claimed to have seen or been to one, just an urban legend, a scare-tactic, etc.

He still didn't listen and went on about it as these kids are just sucking it up.

Almost ready to just give up, he announces last class we will all choose a drug and do a project on it. Something like a powerpoint informing the class about the substance, you know that whole deal. But this is my chance to maybe reverse some of the lies and scare mongering that has gone on for two weeks. But I can only choose one drug...

Which should I choose?

I thought maybe classic psychs like Mushrooms/LSD, in which I immediately get defensive of when they are grouped with all other drugs as things that will addict and kill you (or more specifically make you jump off buildings/flashbacks make you go crazy bullshit).

But then I thought maybe alcohol, as there are a good many students who refuse to believe alcohol is a drug and is totally okay but marijuana is terrible. Maybe emphasize, what other drug causes so much violence in people?

Maybe RC's? As that is a bigger threat than ever in adulterating drugs these days, explain the concept, how to test, what the dangers really are of not knowing what you got. I hear kids all the time in school talk about "rolling" when it was obviously some fucked up RC by their description. Or the horror stories that are usually caused by an adulterant research chemical.

In one of the videos it showed a kid taking lots of whats "prescription pain killers" (probably hydrocodone) and then ending up in the hospital and dying soon after. When in reality its the ibuprofen that is doing that sort of killing, maybe even explain cold water extraction if I'm feeling ballsy haha? I mean, that HR if you ask me, you die of too much APAP much earlier than you would from whats actually getting you high.

Any ideas? I just want to spread harm reduction here, not this idiotic drug abstinence that will never work, but I don't need to tell you guys that haha.

So, suggestions! I can only choose one, and I want to reach deees keeeeds.
 
Heroin.

You could quickly go over the Opium wars against China by Britain. You could quickly cover how it was legal in the Western world until prohibition. That will lead to a quick seagway to alcohol prohibition and how it did not work and why crime is alive today, because of drug prohibition.

Then cover how opium/morphine has been used for centuries and people do not die out of no where if they know what they are doing. Then lead to the APAP being combined with Codeine etc so people die if they abuse them and that analgesic effects can be reached with just the opiate alone, it does not need the APAP. Show them who is truly evil. Explain that heroin is really a more stronger form of Codeine, Morphine etc.

All this under the pretext of heroin, it should capture their attention more than something boring like The Opium Poppy Plant etc. Obviously state that it is addictive and it can also kill you, but so can APAP and Ibuprofen which can be obtained easily, even sold with the opiates, very dangerous to an uneducated person who wants to abuse drugs.
 
Cannabis would be a good, easy choice.. It's proven health benefits, lack of health risks, the time and time debunked lies surrounding it.. It's also less likely to cause the "omg he's just a druggy" type automatic response.

Or MDMA? There have been a lot of studies and research recently which says that it can be good for PTSD and such.. and more unbiased studies showing the harm THOUGHT to have been caused by responsible usage have been blown so far out of proportion they are basically just lies. It, again, has less of a stigma attached to it than say heroin, cocaine or meth.

Or psychedelics for pretty much the same reasons as MDMA.

I would also stress the importance of people doing their own, non-biased research on drugs and maybe give them a few websites? MAPS, Erowid and of course, bluelight ;)

Good luck :D

If people want to take drugs, they will.. regardless of legality.
 
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Yeah good ideas rick, but I reckon half the class would do cannabis. It would just drain on. IMO ecstacy has the same stigma as coke and meth among uneducated people who are only exposed to drugfreeworld and its partners when garnering information. I mean under the Australian scheduling, Heroin is in the same class as Cannabis! (Schedule 8 wtf).

Hit them with the opium/heroin lol. It will give them a bit of historical facts too.
 
Just don't expect a good grade. "Know your audience"

Also don't put drugs on a golden pedestal for the presentation. They can be both good and bad. This dudes trying to prevent a room full of 15 year old kids from becoming heroin addicts. Despite his poor methods (which I am by no means justifying), its still a noble end. Drugs are not all they're cracked up to be. I was in your same exact shoes 6 years ago: arguing with a health teacher, commenting on his terrible stances. A month ago I went back to him and, hat in hand, told him I understood what he was trying to do, despite his poor methods. I wish I could in fact turn back time.

Again I am by no means defending poor methods. But if his goal is to save even one kid from addiction, stop giving the teacher such a hard time. If his goal is to just get PAID and hes a health teacher only because its easy (not because he cares) keep giving him shit.

Don't be totally one sided in favor of drugs. Thats just as bad as someone being totally one sided against drugs. Also as everyone else said, point people in the right direction as well so they can make their own informed decisions. You cannot make someone try LSD any more than he can make someone not try heroin. Its up to everyone to make their own choices. The best you can do is give them as much information as possible so they can (hopefully) make the correct decisions on their own. Neither you, nor he, can force their hands.

But one more time: do NOT expect a good grade if you actually follow through with your idea. Doubt you'll get an A trying to show up a health teacher. You may be exponentially more informed and educated than he is on the topic, and don't be surprised if that means very little. Just sayin'.
 
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@Thatdreamer123 I'm sure that whichever drug you choose to cover you will do a very good job of it.
You sound like you are a lot more knowledgeable than your peers and teacher already so at least one of you in the class will know what they are talking about.
As someone else said it would be a good idea to tell the class to do their own research on drugs rather than believe what is fed to them, pointing them to Erowid & Bluelight is certainly a good idea.
I hope it goes well for you, let us all know how it went if you can.
 
Do benzos!

I feel that valium and other recognizable benzos are treated as simple aids to daily life. In high school I knew A LOT of people who took benzos in large amounts without really knowing what they can do. For example, black out, eat a few morphine and die... I have been close and I am not an idiot when sober. Benzos are prescribed to little kids all the way up to people on their death bed. The addiction is (arguably) worse than opiate addiction and the withdrawals can easily kill a healthy person.

The teachers eyes will bug out because these drugs are NEVER covered in these types of propaganda so the teacher will likely not have the info (but will think of all the teachers he sees in the break room chewing down 4-5 valiums each before class.
 
I like your idea about psychedelics. Or cannabis would be good as well, but it's likely going to be done by someone else and people do tend to know more about it already. If it were me I think I would take the opportunity to talk about a drug that is portrayed to be far worse than it is, as opposed to a drug that is portrayed to be safer than it is. Given the context. You could make some comparisons to the safety and addictiveness of other drugs in your project if you want to address some issues with other drugs (like how people widely assume that legal drugs are safe).

LSD would be an interesting one, that's what I'd pick if you just have to do one specific drug and not a class of drugs. Multiple Nobel Prize winners have said LSD helped them with their research.
 
DooMMooD said:
Just don't expect a good grade. "Know your audience"

Also don't put drugs on a golden pedestal for the presentation. They can be both good and bad. This dudes trying to prevent a room full of 15 year old kids from becoming heroin addicts. Despite his poor methods (which I am by no means justifying), its still a noble end. Drugs are not all they're cracked up to be. I was in your same exact shoes 6 years ago: arguing with a health teacher, commenting on his terrible stances. A month ago I went back to him and, hat in hand, told him I understood what he was trying to do, despite his poor methods. I wish I could in fact turn back time.

Again I am by no means defending poor methods. But if his goal is to save even one kid from addiction, stop giving the teacher such a hard time. If his goal is to just get PAID and hes a health teacher only because its easy (not because he cares) keep giving him shit.

Don't be totally one sided in favor of drugs. Thats just as bad as someone being totally one sided against drugs. Also as everyone else said, point people in the right direction as well so they can make their own informed decisions. You cannot make someone try LSD any more than he can make someone not try heroin. Its up to everyone to make their own choices. The best you can do is give them as much information as possible so they can (hopefully) make the correct decisions on their own. Neither you, nor he, can force their hands.

But one more time: do NOT expect a good grade if you actually follow through with your idea. Doubt you'll get an A trying to show up a health teacher. You may be exponentially more informed and educated than he is on the topic, and don't be surprised if that means very little. Just sayin'.
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This. I kind of get annoyed when people on this site say that drugs are good and everyone should experiment and the government makes them out to be "soooo bad." That's because if you get addicted they are fucking bad.
 
You can talk objectively about drugs, avoid glorifying them, and still contradict the type of bullshit you see in anti-drug propaganda.

I think opiates would be a good choice. If you want to spin it, say that illicitly purchased opiates are for more dangerous because they are adulterated, the price is artificially inflated which causes violence (mostly between dealers, but yea some street crime too) and that the recent changes in legit oxycodone and oxymorphone pills has driven people to heroin. The history of opium is very interesting, you will find plenty to talk about there if you do any research.

I also like your idea to talk about alcohol. It is a "hard" drug when you face facts: it's dependence forming, you can overdose and die on it relatively easily, its the drug most commonly associated with violent crimes..etc...etc. Alcohol also no doubt has a rich and interesting history.

Or, you could do nicotine. Did you know the Partnership for a Drug Free America was sponsored by tobacco companies (maybe alcohol too, can't remember)? That's a great way to indirectly discredit sites like drugfreeworld.org

I don't think a classroom is the proper place to discuss RCs.
 
I wouldn't go for Research Chemicals, as they are research chemicals and facts still aren't entirely known. Go for some of the older drugs, heroin/opium as suggested above, cocaine, ones that are well known that have a fair history of human usage and many facts along with medical benefits. Also, as they are well known they will be familiar to those in your class. This doesn't mean you need to encourage their use, just simply write off that bullshit that presentation told you. I would tread carefully with psychedelics as a lot of people get into their own fantasys about how they were used in the past, without actually backing it up and I'm sure after that shitty presentation you only want to be providing the truth.

If the presentation discussed alcohol, you could do a comparison to alcohol and other drugs. Highlighting how it is one of the most dangerous, yet legal.

Just in case, there are also websites such as Erowid.org which provide excellent drug information that is accurate, along with many, many user experience reports.

Really liked the nicotine comment above and didn't know that, even throw that point in at the end just to seal it. ;)
 
rickolasnice said:
Cannabis would be a good, easy choice.. It's proven health benefits, lack of health risks, the time and time debunked lies surrounding it.. It's also less likely to cause the "omg he's just a druggy" type automatic response.

Or MDMA? There have been a lot of studies and research recently which says that it can be good for PTSD and such.. and more unbiased studies showing the harm THOUGHT to have been caused by responsible usage have been blown so far out of proportion they are basically just lies. It, again, has less of a stigma attached to it than say heroin, cocaine or meth.

Or psychedelics for pretty much the same reasons as MDMA.

I would also stress the importance of people doing their own, non-biased research on drugs and maybe give them a few websites? MAPS, Erowid and of course, bluelight ;)

Good luck :D

If people want to take drugs, they will.. regardless of legality.
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I thought about MDMA, but I would say if I covered "RCs" I would explain how most any pressed pill you might find isn;t what you think it is.

Other problem I find with MDMA, or "defending" it by any means is, no matter how you put it, it's one of the only drugs that you can't do more than once every month AT LEAST without really causing damage (?), rather than risking addiction.

I know there are a million ideas going every which way about what it does, but it seems the consensus on here is that once every 3 months is the only safe route. I can't think of any other drug, that requires such spacing to avoid damage (other than factors of addiction).

DooMMooD said:
Just don't expect a good grade. "Know your audience"

Also don't put drugs on a golden pedestal for the presentation. They can be both good and bad. This dudes trying to prevent a room full of 15 year old kids from becoming heroin addicts. Despite his poor methods (which I am by no means justifying), its still a noble end. Drugs are not all they're cracked up to be. I was in your same exact shoes 6 years ago: arguing with a health teacher, commenting on his terrible stances. A month ago I went back to him and, hat in hand, told him I understood what he was trying to do, despite his poor methods. I wish I could in fact turn back time.

Again I am by no means defending poor methods. But if his goal is to save even one kid from addiction, stop giving the teacher such a hard time. If his goal is to just get PAID and hes a health teacher only because its easy (not because he cares) keep giving him shit.

Don't be totally one sided in favor of drugs. Thats just as bad as someone being totally one sided against drugs. Also as everyone else said, point people in the right direction as well so they can make their own informed decisions. You cannot make someone try LSD any more than he can make someone not try heroin. Its up to everyone to make their own choices. The best you can do is give them as much information as possible so they can (hopefully) make the correct decisions on their own. Neither you, nor he, can force their hands.

But one more time: do NOT expect a good grade if you actually follow through with your idea. Doubt you'll get an A trying to show up a health teacher. You may be exponentially more informed and educated than he is on the topic, and don't be surprised if that means very little. Just sayin'.
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You misunderstand me, I never really, argued with him, so far I've only commented how the schools' "drug education" is based around a site owned by a scientology group and when he brought up pharm parties I corrected him that it was simply a media hoax and proved it to him with sources.

Yes, those who argue and go all out defense of drugs are obnoxious, especially in a setting as I am in.

I do not want to put drugs on a "golden" pedestal, but more of their own pedestals. I cannot stand to see LSD grouped together with Crack or Heroin. Or when the entire marijuana unit revolves around the sole idea of a slippery slope.


DroneLore said:
You can talk objectively about drugs, avoid glorifying them, and still contradict the type of bullshit you see in anti-drug propaganda.

I think opiates would be a good choice. If you want to spin it, say that illicitly purchased opiates are for more dangerous because they are adulterated, the price is artificially inflated which causes violence (mostly between dealers, but yea some street crime too) and that the recent changes in legit oxycodone and oxymorphone pills has driven people to heroin. The history of opium is very interesting, you will find plenty to talk about there if you do any research.

I also like your idea to talk about alcohol. It is a "hard" drug when you face facts: it's dependence forming, you can overdose and die on it relatively easily, its the drug most commonly associated with violent crimes..etc...etc. Alcohol also no doubt has a rich and interesting history.

Or, you could do nicotine. Did you know the Partnership for a Drug Free America was sponsored by tobacco companies (maybe alcohol too, can't remember)? That's a great way to indirectly discredit sites like drugfreeworld.org

I don't think a classroom is the proper place to discuss RCs.
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SpecialK_ said:
I wouldn't go for Research Chemicals, as they are research chemicals and facts still aren't entirely known. Go for some of the older drugs, heroin/opium as suggested above, cocaine, ones that are well known that have a fair history of human usage and many facts along with medical benefits. Also, as they are well known they will be familiar to those in your class. This doesn't mean you need to encourage their use, just simply write off that bullshit that presentation told you. I would tread carefully with psychedelics as a lot of people get into their own fantasys about how they were used in the past, without actually backing it up and I'm sure after that shitty presentation you only want to be providing the truth.

If the presentation discussed alcohol, you could do a comparison to alcohol and other drugs. Highlighting how it is one of the most dangerous, yet legal.

Just in case, there are also websites such as Erowid.org which provide excellent drug information that is accurate, along with many, many user experience reports.

Really liked the nicotine comment above and didn't know that, even throw that point in at the end just to seal it. ;)
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I knew, RC's sound odd at first, but a lot of the curriculum we are going over is about houw you don't know what is in your drugs on the street. Which is just about the only truth I'm finding in this class so far, and very important truth also. We have also gone through stuff like "spice" (JWH), which is a research chemical. I think, doing the presentation on RC's would be actually very beneficial as the current drug culture among young adults is so many people not knowing what are in there drugs and hundreds of new drugs being discovered every year and offered up legally. I wouldn't go in depth on any specific RC, but basically make the point that many other harmful drugs, we became aware of the harmful effects due to human years for X amount of years, whereas these drugs have little to no human history.


As for getting a good grade, I'll simply follow the rubric. He's a good guy, I know he won't grade me down for doing a presentation objectively, positive of it. As long as my info is factual and explain both sides.


LOGan1314 said:
This. I kind of get annoyed when people on this site say that drugs are good and everyone should experiment and the government makes them out to be "soooo bad." That's because if you get addicted they are fucking bad.
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Yes, I agree. But I don't think anyone in the history of mankind has been addicted to psychedelic mushrooms and needs their "1/8 bag fix" every morning or they can't function like they want to. I'm pretty sure if you used mushrooms every day they'd stop doing anything at all pretty quickly.

It's just when I see this sort of presentation, I don't give a shit what they have to say about cocaine/heroin/crack/meth, etc. because they can addict, do ruin lives and there really is no reason for them to be used, etc. Sure, prevent these kids from using em, that's a great motive. "Just Say No" or "Not even once" probably isn't going to work very well, but i'm not here to tell him or anyone why that's not going to work.

But when you put everything else that has terrible stigma surrounding it due to myths and lies blown out of proportion in order to make them seem as sinister as the drugs I listed above, it only spreads more ignorance and stigma, and essentially condemns them to same bin of "this will ruin your life" sort of stuff. I hope to live to see the day that LSD is sold legally in this country, and these kids are the people who will vote for or against it along with me some day far down the road.
 
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You've obviously never met someone addicted to tripping.

They exist, trust me. Slang for them is "eraserheads". This means that hallucinogens can be just as bad an addiction as other drugs. It is however more more rare to come across. BUT if someone likes the "escape from reality" they'll get it from heroin, LSD, whatever floats their boat.

I've met someone addicted to tripping. They were really far out there to say the least....not exactly grounded in reality. Definitely fucked their life up in my most humble of opinions.
 
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