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Went crazy in A&E after taking cannabis chocolate and I feel terrible!!

This is the problem. If I admit to smoking weed at all, people automatically assume it must be the cause of my issues at the moment. I can't blame anyone for making that assumption but I know myself that the problems weren't caused by my weed smoking since I hadn't smoked for ages before I started developing the issues. What I would agree with is that smoking weed won't help at all, so I have no qualms about quitting for a while (not for good though).

I do have a medical issue that is helped by cannabis so I think I'll stick to salve for the time being and after a while I'll go back to high CBD varieties.

Lotsofdogs I agree about the problem with smoking after a long period of abstinence. I know that too well! I'm not a fan of smoking daily though so it's a bit of a catch-22 for me. I might just stick to evenings.

If I'm honest, as melodramatic as this sounds in the last few days I've started to get very anxious about dying. I'm an athiest but still I'm tempted to start going to church because of an irrational fear of going to hell for being a bad person. I wish there was something I could do with coming to terms with the idea of dying. Do you guys have any advice? The only quick fix I can think of is taking mushrooms with a trip sitter after hearing about those end-of-life pscilocybin studies they did with cancer patients but somehow I don't thinking taking yet another drug would help.
 
what is it going to take for you to realise that weed isn't for you right now.

there is no quick fix! you've got serious issues, you've been hospitalised twice for weed, and i would guess have a whole other mental health history too (nothing to be ashamed of, i do too, i can empathise with your experience rather than slamming it as an "emotive sob story")
 
i against i said:
there is no quick fix! you've got serious issues, you've been hospitalised twice for weed, and i would guess have a whole other mental health history too (nothing to be ashamed of, i do too, i can empathise with your experience rather than slamming it as an "emotive sob story")
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After the thead you linked to I'm not interested in having a discussion with you or yteek thank you very much since we both know exactly which way it will go. I've had a problem with chest pain caused by costochondritis and anxiety and asked for someone to talk to because I'm in a bad place and so I'm not in the mood to have a petty argument with either of you. This thread isn't the place. I'm not having a go, so don't take it the wrong way. I just don't want to go there. Thanks.
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about what the staff at hospital thinks. It's not like you went in there complaining that you were having a bad weed trip. You had chest pains and along with costrochondritis and that's a medical emergency. If the doctors thought you were out of hand, they would have sectioned you. I've been held against my will a couple times for being honest about drug use as I was genuinely scared. I can't smoke more than a couple hits of marijuana because it makes me paranoid. Just take it easy and don't stress about this.
 
From personal experience, maintaining control over your thought processes while high is really important. There needs to be a part of you that can rationalise unpleasant trains of thought and be able to remind yourself that you're just high at the moment if you're feeling anxious, and that it will pass. If you lose that ability, that's where the trouble starts IMHO. Often weed can amplify the stuff that's going around in your head, so if you're worried about something there's the potential to make it worse.

If you're having unpleasant thoughts about death, hell and not being a good person, why not get involved in some volunteering work to help out people less fortunate? It will make you feel good about yourself in a way that drugs probably can't do, and perhaps ease some of your anxiety. Also exercise is a great thing for lifting a dark cloud thats hanging over you. Even if it's just taking a walk.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
If I'm honest, as melodramatic as this sounds in the last few days I've started to get very anxious about dying. I'm an athiest but still I'm tempted to start going to church because of an irrational fear of going to hell for being a bad person. I wish there was something I could do with coming to terms with the idea of dying. Do you guys have any advice? The only quick fix I can think of is taking mushrooms with a trip sitter after hearing about those end-of-life pscilocybin studies they did with cancer patients but somehow I don't thinking taking yet another drug would help.
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Mushrooms aren't a "quick fix" man, nothing with any spiritual depth really is... maybe this is something you kinda "have to" live through. I wouldn't dose the shrooms anytime soon, I'd wait for the right time... and you'll know when that is.

+ the anxiety of dying you're living through and the anxiety cancer patients face is very, very different.

I don't know who you are, but there isn't any reason to think that you'll go to hell... regardless of its non-existence lol. You seem to be under a lot of stress, I don't know why... maybe it's an existential crisis? are you getting older? I've been through the dying trip, as someone close to me was quite sick for a while, and I was thinking about how long I'd be here and how long my family and loved ones would be etc etc. Death and existence have been two topics that have been fucking with me for a very long time... but I've still got some time here, I hope so at least... and I've come to realize that I've learned a lot from life and I will probably learn a whole lot more... so there's no point in coming to stark conclusions about the nature of our existence and death.

I came across and Alan Watts video the other day... he's not really my thing but someone close sent it to me and I felt obliged to watch it with an open mind. He talked about how a life that doesn't end is "not a complete life". Life is life through birth and death. I know it's only romanticizing things... but it helps put my mind at ease when I go fetal position in bed and go "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck" in my head.

The most solid advice given here was to lay off the cannabis for a while, except for the balm of course.

I hope I didn't sound patronizing. It wasn't my intention.
 
Thanks. I wasn't seriously considering taking mushrooms, I just worded my post badly because I've been distracted. I feel like the last couple of days I feel like I have the mind of a 15 year old. I even got confused about how to make a coffee with my percolator. What I meant is it seems like a quick fix for those terminally ill cancer patients in comparison to the weeks and weeks of psychotherapy these people don't have. They can get the same progress crammed into one or two sessions. But you're right, it would hardly be appropriate and it is no panacea.

As for how old I am, I'm just 28 (on thr 8th December I had my birthday). In theory I should have plenty of years yet to live.

The thing about death is there is no pain, no suffering, nothing. So if there is nothing unpleasant to worry about apart from the dying process I find it so annoying I fear death to such an extent.

I don't feel patronised and yes, I am defintely going to lay off the weed regardless of whether it's caused my anxiety or not.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
This is the problem. If I admit to smoking weed at all, people automatically assume it must be the cause of my issues at the moment. I can't blame anyone for making that assumption but I know myself that the problems weren't caused by my weed smoking since I hadn't smoked for ages before I started developing the issues. What I would agree with is that smoking weed won't help at all, so I have no qualms about quitting for a while (not for good though).

I do have a medical issue that is helped by cannabis so I think I'll stick to salve for the time being and after a while I'll go back to high CBD varieties.

Lotsofdogs I agree about the problem with smoking after a long period of abstinence. I know that too well! I'm not a fan of smoking daily though so it's a bit of a catch-22 for me. I might just stick to evenings.

If I'm honest, as melodramatic as this sounds in the last few days I've started to get very anxious about dying. I'm an athiest but still I'm tempted to start going to church because of an irrational fear of going to hell for being a bad person. I wish there was something I could do with coming to terms with the idea of dying. Do you guys have any advice? The only quick fix I can think of is taking mushrooms with a trip sitter after hearing about those end-of-life pscilocybin studies they did with cancer patients but somehow I don't thinking taking yet another drug would help.
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Not to say that there aren't other probable assumptions, but maybe their assumptions are right.

Maybe if you problems weren't' caused by weed, it is possible that marijuana has contributed to them.

Also going on the point of you having anxiety ,using drugs like marijuana have been known to be capable of worsening these kind of issues.
 
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Artificial Emotion said:
Well I think I'm going to have to quit completely for a while because I seem to be developing an anxiety problem anyway. The doctors at the hospital think it's a virus but other doctors have said it's anxiety secondary to costotchondritis, which is an inflammation of the cartilage in the chest which causes pain and a tight feeling in the chest. I don't know who to believe but I at least know it's not a heart problem.

One option is to stick to a 50/50 high THC/CBD strain when I decide to smoke again. Hopefully that will a bit better than a high THC strain.
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Did you even tell them you used marijuana or no? That would be a valid piece of the pie as far as going on to diagnose the potential issues. Judging by the evidence provided, there wasn't a concrete diagnosis but rather a couple possible reasons as to why this was experienced.
T. Calderone said:
I wouldn't worry too much about what the staff at hospital thinks. It's not like you went in there complaining that you were having a bad weed trip. You had chest pains and along with costrochondritis and that's a medical emergency.
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No doctor can make any accurate diagnosis without the patient being upfront and honest about their situation.I'm pretty sure he said he experienced increased heart rate and not chest pains, but maybe I missed that part but either way, can both be potentially brought on from the use of marijuana.
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I took some edibles the other night, not to get high but just to kill the pain in my knee. I thought I didn't eat anywhere near enough to get high but my heart started racing so hard I thought I was having a heart attack. I called the ambulance and they were really concerned when they did my ECG. They gave me nitrous oxide, GTN spray and aspirin because they were sure I was in some real trouble (they offered me morphine if you can believe it, but I refused). When I started sucking on the nitrous (Entonox which they give to women giving birth) it hit me and I instantaneous realized I was high as fuck. Then it started getting really weird and I started to lose control of my actions. I started yelling at the paramedics about conspiracy theories and other random BS. I just lost it. Anyway when I got to the hospital I had a battery of tests because my heart was not acting normally according to the ECG trace but they couldn't find anything seriously wrong, so when I took some diazepam and I calmed down, I went home.
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Marijuana is known to cause increased heart rate, it does that, believe it or not. Ironically, it was after consuming marijuana, so taking that into consideration its only logical to assume it was the marijuana. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems rather obvious as to what the cause of this incident was. Screaming at hospital staff about conspiracy theories, is nothing related to a heart issue, and maybe the nitrous was partly to blame but then again marijuana is also known to cause paranoia and can possibly be related to delusional/psychotic behavior but it could also just be anxiety which has also been related to the use of marijuana for some individuals. Maybe I'm wrong to assume, shouting about conspiracy theories does just seem a little more along the lines of a mental health issue going on.

Artificial Emotion said:
I thought I made it clear that I have:

What I would agree with is that smoking weed won't help at all, so I have no qualms about quitting for a while
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There is a difference between knowing it won't help and taking into consideration that marijuana can be a contributing factor to the issues you are experiencing.
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yteek said:
Not to say that there aren't other probable assumptions, but maybe their assumptions are right.

Maybe if you problems weren't' caused by weed, it is possible that marijuana has contributed to them.

Also going on the point of you having anxiety ,using drugs like marijuana have been known to be capable of worsening these kind of issues.
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I can understand why you might think that and I know you're only trying to help, but the problems manifested themselves after a long period of abstinence and the consultant did actually rule out any drug use as a cause. Cannabis can cause anxiety and cannabis can exacerbate anxiety, so yes, I definitely do not wish to continue smoking for a long while until I know it's relatively safe to do so again. But my problems with anxiety are just as bad now as they were before the cannabis incident. I'm not trying to fool myself, it really just hasn't had an effect on my anxiety apart from the few hours when I was high. That doesn't mean I won't avoid it for the near future though but there's more going on than the effects of me just getting high. I might not believe cannabis can cause schizophrenia but I never said I don't believe it can't be a factor in making anxiety worse.

yteek said:
Did you even tell them you used marijuana or no? That would be a valid piece of the pie as far as going on to diagnose the potential issues
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Not at first but yes I did in the end and the doctor actually told me not to dwell on the subject of what little cannabis I've been using as he did not think it was clinically relevant in my case when he took into consideration my history. It's not just cannabis - I've had to give up coffee, nicotine replacement lozenges and even tea for the time being.

yteek said:
No doctor can make any accurate diagnosis without the patient being upfront and honest about their situation.I'm pretty sure he said he experienced increased heart rate and not chest pains, but maybe I missed that part but either way, can both be potentially brought on from the use of marijuana.
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I had both. I have had the exact same symptoms when not high. The costochondritis causes pain in the chest, a tight feeling like someone has tightened a really tight band around my chest and problems breathing (so much so I almost passed out before I could call 999 a few weeks ago which was terrifying). This tight feeling and the problems with breathing cause panic and an associated tachycardia (high heart rate).

yteek said:
Marijuana is known to cause increased heart rate, it does that, believe it or not. Ironically, it was after consuming marijuana, so taking that into consideration its only logical to assume it was the marijuana. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems rather obvious as to what the cause of this incident was. Screaming at hospital staff about conspiracy theories, is nothing related to a heart issue, and maybe the nitrous was partly to blame but then again marijuana is also known to cause paranoia and can possibly be related to delusional/psychotic behavior but it could also just be anxiety which has also been related to the use of marijuana for some individuals. Maybe I'm wrong to assume, shouting about conspiracy theories does just seem a little more along the lines of a mental health issue going on.
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This is the problem, unless you're a doctor that has my whole medical history it's not good to try and second guess what the issue is even if it seems obvious because the issue is more complex than it seems on the surface. I have concrete medical problems that you can point to that predate my cannabis use and it's not simply a case of me freaking out on cannabis. I was not paranoid and I didn't even believe the conspiracy theories. I was just blurting out a whole load of crap I'd heard on the Alex Jones podcast. The loss of control happens every time I take too much weed and it is just that - a loss of control. I don't feel persecuted or paranoid, I just have this one peculiar idiosycratic reaction to the drug. I just have to be careful to not get too high.
 
On a more positive note today I've started to feel a bit better. It comes and goes so at least for the time being I'm having a bit of respite! Thanks guys I know I must sound like a whining bitch sometimes!
 
Eating weed can be quite an experience, as a fifteen year old at the end of a holiday old I ate an eighth rather than bin it and then got on a plane home, the plane had some problems during landing and had to abort and have another go. My head was like a box of frogs by the time it was over.
 
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