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8xMDMA User with Long-Term Symptoms

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Hello, first and foremost I want to start off with an introduction. I have been "lurking" these forums for the last 3 months, researching and informing my self of the various neurochemical and psychological effects that MDMa, and other substances of interests that are discussed on these forums. I am relatively well-read in general psychology and find that and noo-tropic, nutritional substances to be somewhat of a research hobby of mine.

I have mostly spent time researching MDMA and its effects and reading various replies in an attempt to come to terms with what might be going on with me in my head.

My story with MDMA goes as follows: I am 21 and an avid pot smoker but other than that have only used cocaine and speed less than a handful of times in my life. MDMA I have never touched until this summer when I decided to go a little bit overboard and do it a total of 8 times in the span of 3 months.

The first 3 times were consecutive, at a music festival (quarter pill, half, thn a whole one) Then a 3 week break and another half a pill, then a 10 day break and about 100-150mg of M and after that a week break with another round of 150mg of MDMA and another week later again about 100-150mg of MDMA.

All of the times I was drinking rather heavily and smoking weed at the end of my rolls and most definitely the day after. I felt very minimal comedown effects everytime I did it, which is why I decided to "abuse" it. I actually never felt better in my life, I was on top of all of my stuff and felt nearly invincible. A feeling that everything was accomplishable. I was more motivated towards things than usual and my memory was better than usual. I could recall things like no tomorrow, memories from way back in the past including short-term memories. I felt like my brain had opened up. However , it all felt like a "dopamine" kind of high. It was as if I was really motivated, talkative and just in a general rewarded type of feeling. At the same time, in the back end of my thoughts I knew this feeling was unsustainable and even kad an inkling of thought that this extremely good feeling is going to be felt now and then it will dissapear for a very long time.

At the time I had just come back from an 8 month exchange in europe, and I had told my self that I needed to be super ready for the upcoming year due to it being my last year in University. I attributed this month long sensation mostly to the psychological effects of my environment adn situation at the time.

Could it instead have been just the remnants of all the intoxication taht I had put into my body over the summer?

Because it was a long-lasting sensation I decided a month later to drop again. This time it was only a dab on the tip of my pinky finger. The night was good, the high wasn't as strong as usual, but I felt buzzed and most of the lower-end of the spectrum of an MDMA buzz. Talkativeness, connectedness and an overall feeling of elatedness.

But this last time I felt like I was more depressed and aggravated as usual as well as VERY disoriented in a mnemonic sense of the word. To clarify that I felt as though I had to recollect my memories and thoughts that comprised "Who I was " I found myself recollecting certain memories, ideas, realizations and thoughts that I had amassed in the past year. The depression that was usually very minimal and seem to very noticeabley alleviate in the summer, was prolonged and never really really left me.

Furthermore ever since this last time I have been having drastic problems with attention, confusion, talking, memory (mostly recall, but recognition in some cases as well) and in general foggy, slowed thinking. I feel like I had suddenly developed ADD. Anything requriing mental effort makes me get really edgy, jumpy and I'm unable to just sit and read something.

Memory capacity and formation seems very off.

Certain memories seem "unreachable" within my head, or will take a while for me to actually remember the general aspect. The specifics for a memory are ever harder and harder to reach. For example when a friend that I haven't seen in a while, but I KNOW that I've had some very fun times with will start a story about these times, I will likely for the first 2 seconds look blankly at them while my brain slowly puts together the memory from before, and when it does it is no where near as detailed as I know it used to be.

In the initial come-down the first month I had severe stress/panic attacks that at times made me dizzy, out of breath, even colour blind (I would be staring at my computer screen doing an assignment that I just couldn't figure out and my vision would start turning black and white)

In addition putting words and sentences together seems like much harder. I would struggle to find the right word in my head, even for simplistic descriptions of things. It is something that has gotten progressively better over the last 3 months but I still feel I am no where near as fast in thought and word/sentence formation as I used to be.

The mental sensation of all these feelings are as if someone took an axe and chopped off a part of my brain.

The last thing I should mention is that I do smoke weed rather regularly, an experience taht I loved, but recently weed has been making me more and more "out of it". I'll smoke and I'll feel calm ,but completely dissassociated with whats going on. It feels as if I'm not really there. It becomes literally physically impossible to state an idea or thought, my brain just feels numb.

I waited to post anything, but now it has been 3 months and I am still experiencing a slew of symptoms that do not resemble who I am used to being at all..

Is this normal given my "abuse" of mdma and alcohol and weed?
 
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I actually never felt better in my life, I was on top of all of my stuff and felt nearly invincible. A feeling that everything was accomplishable. I was more motivated towards things than usual and my memory was better than usual. I could recall things like no tomorrow, memories from way back in the past including short-term memories. I felt like my brain had opened up. However , it all felt like a "dopamine" kind of high. It was as if I was really motivated, talkative and just in a general rewarded type of feeling. At the same time, in the back end of my thoughts I knew this feeling was unsustainable and even kad an inkling of thought that this extremely good feeling is going to be felt now and then it will dissapear for a very long time.

This is very normal while consuming MDMA, specially in the first times, and more specially if you have good life-changing experiences. You can continue keeping this ego-state with autocontrol and with meditation disciplines.

Could it instead have been just the remnants of all the intoxication taht I had put into my body over the summer?

You should be clear of any remnants after some days from the MDMA session, at least speaking from a physiological point of view. Now, effects of some (most) substances can modify the way you interpret your own reality, positively, negatively, or maybe it just not happens.

But this last time I felt like I was more depressed and aggravated as usual as well as VERY disoriented in a mnemonic sense of the word. To clarify that I felt as though I had to recollect my memories and thoughts that comprised "Who I was " I found myself recollecting certain memories, ideas, realizations and thoughts that I had amassed in the past year. The depression that was usually very minimal and seem to very noticeabley alleviate in the summer, was prolonged and never really really left me.

Maybe it was not the best moment to consume MDMA, any kind of external circumstance affecting to you in such moment can end up with unpredictive results. If you experience any kind of depression, independently on the cause of it, you should ask the doctor for help, otherwise the situation may not go better by itself... Don`t be scared: Depressive and stress problems are really common in this actual society. And not always must be cured with medicines. Sometimes is just about trying to figure out the cause for it and "fix" the problem. Most of the times, the most difficult side is to exactly find out which is the source for this depression. It can be stress (and the other way around: depression can also provoke stress). Don`t wait more than 2 months to see your doctor after you see the first symptoms of depression, or even way before if it just goes worst.

Furthermore ever since this last time I have been having drastic problems with attention, confusion, talking, memory (mostly recall, but recognition in some cases as well) and in general foggy, slowed thinking. I feel like I had suddenly developed ADD. Anything requriing mental effort makes me get really edgy, jumpy and I'm unable to just sit and read something.

Do you continue consuming cannabinoids and/or alcohol in a regular basis? That could perfectly explain this symptoms, maybe they were there already and now you are just able to notice them. It can be as well an ADD which was always there but MDMA "popped it up". Very common as well.

MDMA can -in theory- provoke this kind of behavior for a limited amount of time (up to 12 months) when used in excess or wrongly.

In the initial come-down the first month I had severe stress/panic attacks that at times made me dizzy, out of breath, even colour blind (I would be staring at my computer screen doing an assignment that I just couldn't figure out and my vision would start turning black and white)

In addition putting words and sentences together seems like much harder. I would struggle to find the right word in my head, even for simplistic descriptions of things. It is something that has gotten progressively better over the last 3 months but I still feel I am no where near as fast in thought and word/sentence formation as I used to be.

The mental sensation of all these feelings are as if someone took an axe and chopped off a part of my brain.

This is not very common. Nevertheless, after reading all of this, you must consider stop consuming any recreational drug (legal/ilegal) and visiting the doctor as soon as possible (don`t worry, again, is just depression+stress what could be causing all of this, and it`s very common) just to make sure that you improve all of this as soon as possible :-)

Don`t worry, it will be more than fine, you just need to check what is happening.

Happy christmas my friend, and greetings from Spain.
 
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stop smoking so much weed...to me, everything you said that is wrong can be attributed to long term MJ use.
 
Thank you for the replies. and feliz navidad/merry christmas to you too MrHH!

I do believe that I had ADD before, and in general but the way that I found the MDMA triggered it was through reducing my memory. Where as before I felt as if my eventhough I had ADD it didn't really bother me because I could remember enough through recall memory to be able to understand things and string them all together in my mind quickly enough when I did focus in. Now because my memory is slowed, I can't keep track of my ADD.

I tend to agree with most of what you've said MrHH. I am a big believer in meditation and Carl Jung's philosophy of the mind. A psychologist/psychiatrist before the time that medications became prevalent, he went very in depth into the exploration of the mind so much so that he cured himself of schizophrenia, so I definitely do believe that some of my "mental clutter" would be from the stressors of everyday life.

However, what worries me the most is the memory lapses or better described as a delayed ability to recall. Day to day things/details/conversations that happen I will remember most of the context but sometimes certain details will escape me, eventhough I'll remember almost everything visually about it (which sometimes helps to jolt out the actual detail I am forgetting but it will take time). I know of course I am not a machine and can't remember everything, but what I'm talkigna bout is not being able to remember details that I was paying attention to and was interested in at the time, so it is a memory thus that I feel is pertinent and important to my "being" per se . (to be philosophical)

I am somewhat sure that most people with MDMA have had this kind of experience, and while over the long run, emotionally you will feel better , but I'm wondering if this "memory glitch" has a potential to get lessenned over time, and eventually dissappear (reaching "normality of being" ) and are there ways of speeding up the process.

It is from this "distrust" I feel with my mind, that I will not be able to remember important things when really needed to seize opportunities (ranging from in conversation with a girl, to a job interview ) that really freaks me out.
 
Nutritional: are you consuming cannabinoids regularly? (day-to-day)

That could perfectly explain the entire scenario, as 2after909 says.

I hope you feel better soon!
 
The last thing I should mention is that I do smoke weed rather regularly, an experience taht I loved, but recently weed has been making me more and more "out of it". I'll smoke and I'll feel calm ,but completely dissassociated with whats going on. It feels as if I'm not really there. It becomes literally physically impossible to state an idea or thought, my brain just feels numb.

I waited to post anything, but now it has been 3 months and I am still experiencing a slew of symptoms that do not resemble who I am used to being at all..

Is this normal given my "abuse" of mdma and alcohol and weed?

Yes. You seem to have done exactly what I did, I tried some cocaine, mdma a couple of times etc. had my share of alcohol but one thing I've been smoking for 7 years now, weed.

I can recommend you to stop smoking weed right away. I quit 2 weeks ago cause I was having the effects you have but much worse. I had paranoia attacks, floating away from my body, not able to follow conversations around me (and many more other tripping stuff like you say with your vision)

I never ever had one issue with drugs/alcohol before (and in my peaking days I was smoking grams a day)

I guess 7 years of weed did it's damage alright, altough after you stop smoking in 2 days you feel back to normal, and after a week you feel how you felt when you never smoked one joint. Then don't make the mistake "it's safe to smoke one again" cause it's not. I did that too and ended up getting paraniod again. I know other people who experienced the same and also quit immediately, they can't smoke weed at all now.

I guess weed is more dangerous than we think and will probably be backed by some studies in a few decades, just like certain opiates in the past.
 
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