Not getting high immediately

[misanthropypure]

A lot of the times when I shoot up heroin, I do not feel the effects immediately. I am 100 % in the vein i register and everything, but when I slam it home I rarely get high from the minute I emptied the dope into my arm. It usually takes about 2 to 3 sometimes 4 minutes for me to feel it.. I even have to smoke a cigarette most times to start to feel it. My question is, what don't I feel it right away usually? is this normal? also why do cigarettes transform me into my high a lot of the time? just a side note.. I use 31 g 1cc short tips

 

[Ektor]

The only few times i tried shooting up heroin (about 5 in total, as i dont like injecting drugs and even less injecting an unsure and impure compound with potentially harmful substances/bacteria/viruses) i injected just a small quantity, and i already had a pretty fair tolerance to opioids and heroin, i didnt feel the high immediatly. I actually just felt a small rush suddenly, more like a change in physiology then like a high. The very subtle feeling was really similar to a sudden increase of blood flow through my head and my body. Then, after a few minutes the real opiate high came slowly increasing in intensity, slightly faster than snorting h would come up.

I think that that rush is more like a physiological vascular/blood circulation thing and i get the feeling that injecting placebo could give you a pretty similar feeling, it is a rush also similar tho when i tried plugging some drugs, as soon as i put myself upside down to keep enema in, all my blood rushes to my head and it feels sorta warm, it is really similar.

I only injected just really few times and thankfully i dont like doing it, but i have the suspect that the said rush i s more of a psycho-physiological event than the effect of the drug on its receptors, but again i dont really know as i have not much experience with it. Also withdrawal on the other hand seems to me to have a fairly big psychosomatic component and as such can be overcome.

Take care of yourself Misanthro!!!!

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Not all dope is the same.. Some batches provide much bigger/quicker rushes than others.. I mean, 3-4 minutes seems like a very odd amount of time.. it normally happens much quicker than that even if it's not the best dope. You may also not be doing enough... of course, don't take that to start acting recklessly and increasing your dose but if you don't do enough based on your tolerance, you may not get a rush.

Could just be generally shitty dope.. definitely a possibility.

When it does hit you, after however long it takes, does it hit you all at once in a big rush or just come on gradually?

How long have you been IV'ing.. You might be missing even if you think you're not. Does it burn when pushing down the plunger?

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Good heroin does not need a cigarette to 'jumpstart' the high, that is for sure. Either you are doing shitty smack, not dosing high enough, or are missing the vein.. That's really waht it boils down to, my friend.. A nice shot of good heroin starts attacking the brain within seconds of taking the rig out of your arm.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Not all dope is the same.. Some batches provide much bigger/quicker rushes than others.. I mean, 3-4 minutes seems like a very odd amount of time.. it normally happens much quicker than that even if it's not the best dope. You may also not be doing enough... of course, don't take that to start acting recklessly and increasing your dose but if you don't do enough based on your tolerance, you may not get a rush.

Could just be generally shitty dope.. definitely a possibility.

When it does hit you, after however long it takes, does it hit you all at once in a big rush or just come on gradually?

How long have you been IV'ing.. You might be missing even if you think you're not. Does it burn when pushing down the plunger?

^All of this.

Different dope seemed to produce very different onsets for me, some would have an intense immediate rush and other batches would take a longer time to come on. You never know what is in street heroin, there are often a lot of cuts and can be impurities from the production process (morphine etc) that still produce effects but don't give much of a rush. Or sometimes other opioids are sold as dope. Stupid war on drugs.

Also once I damaged my veins a slower onset would happen more (like I often had a situation where I could register but it would still seem to be a partial miss).

Also:
- On what area of your body is the vein you are using?
- What position are you in when you do it (sitting on a chair, sitting on a floor or bed, standing, reclining/lying down?)
- Has it always been like this for you or does it seem to be something that has only been happening recently?
- How much time do you wait between shots?
- What is your tolerance like? Have you been using for a long time?

also why do cigarettes transform me into my high a lot of the time?

Cigarettes potentiate heroin. I assume it's because they are a mild MAOI. (the degree of potentiation does seem to depend on how often someone smokes - if you don't smoke very often it will likely have a very noticeable potentiation and if you are used to smoking all day every day the effect might not be as noticeable). When I was injecting heroin I would always smoke a cigarette right after using, it definitely helped bring on the high. And back when I wasn't a heavy smoker having a cigarette could be overwhelming and even make me puke if I had done too much dope or smoked too many cigarettes (and I don't throw up easily).

 

[misanthropypure]

I usually sit down when I shoot, I am always in the vein..I know this for a fact. Once it kicks in IT KICKS IN, I feel awesome and its one sudden SMACK and everything is all good from then on. I have been using opiates on and off for 6 years now, and heroin in specific for 4 years on and off.

But you are right, some batches I feel it before I can even take the needle out and some I feel it a a minute or two or three later. But I always feel good when it kicks in. I usually do two bag shots about 3-4 times a day.

When I miss I know I have missed because I will get hive like bubbles on my arm.. I shoot in the bend of my arm.. or sometimes my feet if I have too. Usually when I miss thats when I feel the burning but I 100% make sure I dont because it really fucking sucks losing your dope and getting the hives/burning

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Okay, so if you're not missing I'm going to just go with 1. Bad dope or 2. Not high enough of a dosage to account for an increasing tolerance. Have you ever done this batch of dope before and gotten the instant rush or has it always taken 3-4 minutes? That's a long time, man.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I usually sit down when I shoot, I am always in the vein..I know this for a fact. Once it kicks in IT KICKS IN, I feel awesome and its one sudden SMACK and everything is all good from then on. I have been using opiates on and off for 6 years now, and heroin in specific for 4 years on and off.

But you are right, some batches I feel it before I can even take the needle out and some I feel it a a minute or two or three later. But I always feel good when it kicks in. I usually do two bag shots about 3-4 times a day.

When I miss I know I have missed because I will get hive like bubbles on my arm.. I shoot in the bend of my arm.. or sometimes my feet if I have too. Usually when I miss thats when I feel the burning but I 100% make sure I dont because it really fucking sucks losing your dope and getting the hives/burning

When you've shooting in your feet it can take longer to feel, as it has farther to travel to reach the brain. I really recommend you do not use your feet though. Complications are much more likely to happen there. The vein running up the inside of your leg would be preferable to the foot. I would always lay down and elevate my foot after using a vein in my foot, which would make it kick in faster, but I'm not sure if I should recommend this or not, since lying down does make it easy to nod off right away if you've done a strong shot. Best to not use the feet anyway.

If you are doing 3-4 shots per day, using when you have already used fairly recently can make a difference in how it hits you - it can be weaker and have less of an immediate rush than that first shot of the morning.

And, as mr.scagnattie said, the most likely culprits would be the particular batch of dope or using small quantities.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Cigarettes potentiate heroin..

Its because agonism of the nicotinic acetylcholline receptor leads to release of beta-endorphin