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Hospitalization from use of DOI Blotters

This is the number one reason why I do not fucking with research chemicals and the like. I myself have been given mystery garbage that has scared me enough to know No Vendor should Truly be trusted. I really want to know who sold the garbag to be honest and while I get why we cant say vendor names due to privacy and ect. I dont understand how pieces of shit like this are not allowed to be outed. I also think its worthwhile to send whatever was on the sheets te ecstacydata for testing so you know what was the reason behind whatever happened. Me personally,That would be the first thing I would do. I dunno if this belongs here but very sorry as it appears someone died so god bless you poster. Did this vendor respond to the email? Im sure the Address is Somwhere right? If theres mail theres a parcel with a name or a address on it Somewhere.
 
You're assuming that this was a case of misrepresented drugs.

I avoid research chemicas for the same reason. Street dealers are so much more reliable.
 
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Hi,

The vendor just keep ignoring the whole thing. He removed a lot of stuff from the shop and I can't even have the access from the product list.

As for the blotters, I've sent 2 of them this morning to Energy Control in Spain. Also a friend of mine did a Marquis reagent test and the little solution we get turn into dark purpleish almost black. The mecke test was kind of green.
 
It is, and I'm very sorry for all those involved and especially she herself of course.

If what happened was an aneurysm, and it was from only 1 blotter... whatever the compound was it seems to me like there are no drugs on blotter available that would pose a huge risk causing this. By that I mean that vasoconstrictive potent stimulants like DOI or other DOX as well as NBOMe's should not typically cause this but a lot of them can if you are very unlucky. Look, when people get hurt they lash out and often blame. Sometimes there is a sound argument that this blame is deserved, in other cases not. If the drug was not misrepresented and turns out to be DOI, my opinion is NOT that it is right to think any blame should be put back to you guys - instead... I'd say don't blame anything at all because sometimes these things happen - people get aneurysms without having taken any drug at all. If your friend was sensitive to get one, who knows if she would have gotten it from sports and exercizing instead of taking the drug.
We don't know that! So please don't blame yourself and don't put any blame where you don't know it belongs. None of this is meant as disrespect.

The cyanosis (blue extremities) and blood issues do suggest there is more going on though, and I am still quite worried about anything that would fit on a single blotter hit and do that.

Are you certain only 1 dose / square was taken... was it thin paper or thick (not sure if you are familiar with typical LSD blotter) ?

I'm sorry not to offer more consolation but if you can find out what was in it, we can put it up...

As unwise as it was to ingest blotters like this without testing them first or doing allergy tests, there is SO MUCH that is unwise about what we all do taking drugs. I generally recommend people getting their product tested but how many people actually do that 100% of the time? I have so many samples of weird shit, how many of them are confirmed? How many times have I taken powders based on trust only? I never took drugs from strangers at parties, that goes too far for me... but I realize that there are many occasions where the same that happened to your friend could have happened to me. Same goes for most people on this forum if they are honest.
Fortunately, most of the time we get away with it... but the times we don't remind us that our "system" is flawed, and we are ALL unwise. Because I think almost every blame is to be put on our flawed system, I think that doesn't make you especially guilty: you are not. I think the flaw in the system with drug-taking is that most people trade some security (i.e. not getting everything tested all the time) because the chance of disaster *seems* small. We tend to blind ourselves in foresight, and overreact in hindsight - like never taking drugs again even if getting them tested makes the system a lot more secure.
Example: if you step into a car with someone else, there is some chance that an accident will happen. It is significantly more dangerous than *not* driving, for sure. When that accident happens even if all participants had the best intentions to keep everyone safe, who do we blame? I think it is realistic to see that participating in traffic was dangerous to begin with and you got a bad deal. For a lot of people, participating in traffic is a necessity while taking drugs is not. I hate the word 'necessity' quite often, this is just a choice. I take it you had the best intentions for everyone to be safe. Your friend chose to participate in the whole 'system' of drug-taking.

Hopefully some of the logic I can offer will help you - none of it is meant to make us consider all of this less horrible.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your reply Solipsis and I'm sorry I will do it quick because I'm very tired at the moment so thanks for your understanding.

I swear YES she only took 1 only! She took a quarter of the same blotter the previous day but she reports no effects. I'm not very familiar with the LSD blotter saddenly.

I can see some drugs that could be the risk, I was thinking about a DOx compound as you mentionned OR 5-meO-AMT, what about BrFLY ?. I don't think it was a 25X-NBOMe since she swallows the blotter directly. She didn't put it under her tongue.

The blotter was quite small I remember and were plain white.

I remember having bad blotters a while ago when I bought "LSD" for the first time. It turns to be a DOx compound (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...r-2-hits)-No-prior-experience-nearly-kill-me-!)

I repeat that I have not take the blotter with her that day.

Regards,
 
Alright thank you for the information - we can't really go into much speculation about what it might be. It is part of the territory with a thread like this, but it doesn't help us while getting it tested does. I will try to limit speculation myself.

You are thinking about a DOX compound (among other options), well considering it was sold as DOI that possibility seems like a fair fit.

Well 5-MeO-AMT has always sounded horrible to me and like any dose could be an overdose. The doses might be a little on the high side for a dangerous dose to fit on a small blotter hit. Bromo-dragonfly however is just that bit more potent that would make it more likely for a dangerous dose to fit on blotter.

However, to illustrate that it could just be what is considered a standard dose of DOX: the BL-er named Erny has informed us that there appear to be people who can survive a 10-fold overdose of an NBOMe compound where other people get in trouble at doses that others would just call strong. The same can be true for DOX compounds and it would explain why these are being sold "normally" while your friend had this bad of a reaction.
Others have mentioned this before by only saying 'your mileage might vary', it boils down to the same idea. I don't understand how this could happen if she took the precaution of dosing an allergy test low-dose the day before... but that only brings me back to my elaborate 'shit happens' post, the one before this.

Though I can't guarantee my presence here (in fact I am stepping down as a mod), know that you have my support - whether I represent BL or not, that does not matter - and you can contact me if you need anything or would like to bounce some ideas. In most cases, you will get more result discussing in public - but the point is I or we are there for you in the role we can be.
 
It is my understanding that aneurysm/stroke are not a typical side-effect of hallucinogenic drugs, rather a symptom of pre-existing arterial weakness in the brain, they are triggered more generally by raising blood pressure beyond some threshold.

It sounds to me that the blotters are likely exactly as represented (DOI), if oral administration was used, and your friend was simply unfortunate enough to have a predisposition to aneurysm/stroke. 5-MeO-AMT is almost never sold because it is almost universally agreed to be too nasty to be a good psychedelic. But, as Soli said, almost anything could have triggered this type of event, and you wouldn't know. We can't put blame on anything but chance right now. All we can do is speculate until the blotters are tested.

I do hope your friend recovers. You may want to do research on the effects of DOM overdose - in the mid 70's I believe, high dose DOM tablets were sold to unsuspecting people in California, causing all sorts of terrible overdoses. The medical journals from that around that time may detail similar cases.

Events like this really demonstrate the fragility of life. You have my condolences and support.

Disclaimer: I am not a neurosurgeon
 
Transform said:
You're assuming that this was a case of misrepresented drugs.

I avoid research chemicas for the same reason. Street dealers are so much more reliable.
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You have to be fucking joking. What horrible advice. Street dealers are absolutely not more reliable; on the contrary, in most cases they haven't a fucking clue what they're talking about. On the other hand, most internet vendors of research chemicals are very reliable, and are vetted by a community of people dedicated to calling out the scammers and the ones selling bunk and impure products.
 
Yeah, sorry for any confusion. RC vendors are far from perfect but they're the best we have.

You're much more likely to know what you're getting when you buy from a respected vendor than a dodgy bloke in a blacked out car.
 
Wow, I read this with great sadness. I'm hoping the symptoms aren't permanent & this poor girl will gain some degree of recovery. My deepest sympathies to everyone affected, & my thoughts with Kishka.

Guys with a long standing here at BL should be a little (alot) more sensitive when people post this sort of thing.
 
Transform said:
Yeah, sorry for any confusion. RC vendors are far from perfect but they're the best we have.

You're much more likely to know what you're getting when you buy from a respected vendor than a dodgy bloke in a blacked out car.
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Are you fucking Joking me? Who meets random blokes for drugs besides crack/heroin?!
 
Excuse me, that is not the topic and if I may say so quite irrelevant in general.

P.S.

For some people, meeting non-befriended street dealers for weed, speed, ketamine, coke, heroin, pills, etc... is all they know.

You can get ripped off on the street, you can get ripped off on the internet. Who cares, none of that really matters anymore. The source of these blotters was definitely shady, but this particular instance doesn't make the internet better or worse than the streets in general. People should just be careful with anyone they don't know or have reason to trust. God knows I have made mistakes with it.
 
Yeah not everyone is a close friend of Shulgin, I sometimes have to meet the most shady people to get whatever I want. Not that this matters, it's beyond the point anyway. I think Transformer was just trying to say that most vendors are NOT reliable at all, and you always should get your stuff tested. If that's not possible just take a very small dose at first, and then work your way up. These are some basic things, and I think there should be a "so you want to buy RCs"-thread stickied that explains these things.

My thoughts are with your friend Kishka
 
This thread is depressing and scary. Kishka, I am so sorry for your friend and I sincerely hope her blindness is not permanent. I've only bought RC blotter once in my life, I will probably never do so again. I can lay my own blotter.
 
I've learnt far too much about RC's in the last few years to ever consider buying street drugs again. Back in the day I'd happilly buy pills in clubs, & I'm lucky that I never bought anything toxic or too heavilly dosed, though of course, I've had a fail or two.

My worst pill experience was from those infamous Snowballs from mid-90's, had an horrific night out on them once, but they were bought from a mate who fucking loved them, not some club dealer.

I have safe contact for weed but that is ALL I'll buy from anywhere other than the internet. & yes, I have lost money & recieved non-active powdered bunk once or twice through internet purchasing. The success over the net however far outweight the failures & that ratio, in comparison to my more reckless street purchasing of the past, the successes & failures are about the same.

Sorry, that's off topic. Once again this morning my thoughts are with Kishka & I send my very best wishes to her friend & her friends family. I really hope her sight will improve & all the negative health consequences of this ordeal might resolve.

Love & Blessings to all!
 
Thanks to the moderators for removing the source, in accordance with the BLUA, and in disregard for the safety and lives of other human beings.
 
oldflattop nothing is know about what was on these blotters yet... i don't know why i bother pointing out the obvious knowing its exactly what you expect but yeah what ever
 
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Thanks to the moderators for removing the source, in accordance with the BLUA, and in disregard for the safety and lives of other human beings.
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We don't even have any information about what these blotters contain yet, and as such there's no reason to go against our own rules and post the vendor name. If we did this for every time someone suffered some kind of incident at the hands of any drug we'd pretty much have to have a list of most every vendor pinned to the top of the forum.. If the blotters are just DOI in the end, then we've been unnecessarily advertising a vendor.

In the case of proven mix ups and such we do indeed put warnings at the top of the forum to avoid more people getting hurt, but this isn't a vendor review site, and as such, that's the only exception in which we will warn people about a vendor's product. There are vendor review sites out there which can be used to attempt to validate the authenticity of a vendor and their product if one so desires that sort of thing, you speak in another thread saying that Bluelight encouraged NBOMe use by offering information about it, so why would we go ahead and potentially encourage people to use these vendors by openly advertising them - hell even if it was a list of legitimate vendors, it's not something we can police, so it only takes one mistake and many lives could be ruined.
 
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