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Hi,

so since MDMA acts as a releasing serotonin agent, like antidepressive pills, is it fair to say that Ecstasy is an antidepressive? Or considering that the next day the serotonin levels in your brain are low and it would be a depressive drug?

Sorry if I didnt made my question straight, I would just like to know if you think that if a depressive person consumes Ecstasy he would became more joyful and happy or if it would be a bad idea...

Anyways, thanks and party safe.
 
hi koisa welcome to bl

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/313307-MDMA-as-an-antidepressant

bl has a search function which is found in the top right of your page. i found ^ this thread by searching, have a look yourself, there is heaps of info to be found.

i believe mdma has in the past been used by doctors and psychs as an antidepressant, though more of a once off type thing for sessions or therapy rather than something that is prescribed, or taken regularly, due to obvious reasons.
 
Research as started again looking into the therapeutic qualities of MDMA; originally it was used in therapy groups so people would be more open to talking about their problems, much like how LSD was used.

On a chemical level your brain is flooded with serotonin so you will be obviously extremely "happy" whilst on it. However, the lack of serotonin once the trip has finished MAY lead you to feeling a little down a few days after consuming a decent amount of MDMA. It differs from person to person, I don't always get it even after binging.

The use of MDMA is purely to get people to talk about their problems and be a bit more open in my opinion. If you are depressed I suggest you seek help from a doctor; the answer probably isnt with MDMA at the moment. Wait until some more research is done.

For what it's worth, I had small confidence problems when I was a kid, used MDMA and kind of turned over a new leaf.
 
Surely he can hopefully read the article and make up his own mind? I have personally found Ketamine to have a positive afterglow for a good few days after a line or two. I had read about this positive side effect of this substance whilst reading other parts of bluelight. I found this prior reading very helpful before trying Ketamine for the first time...........which is best practice in terms of Harm Reduction.

Or "Just say no"or in this case "Just say neigh"
 
swedger77 said:
Surely he can hopefully read the article and make up his own mind? I have personally found Ketamine to have a positive afterglow for a good few days after a line or two. I had read about this positive side effect of this substance whilst reading other parts of bluelight. I found this prior reading very helpful before trying Ketamine for the first time...........which is best practice in terms of Harm Reduction.

Or "Just say no"or in this case "Just say neigh"
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I'm not saying ketamine doesn't have it's benefits, I love ketamine. But developing a ketamine habit through, for example, depending on it as an anti-depressant, can be very destructive to your body.
 
swedger77 said:
yes, through stomach ulcers
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That's awful. I wonder if their was a face off which would fuck you up quicker. My point stands anyway; I know somebody recovering from a heavy ketamine addiction. He's a fucking mess.

I've never seen ketamine like that though; after going through half a gram the last thing I want to do is touch it again for a few weeks. The derealisation I get after isn't nice.
 
Short answer: it will make you happy for the time you are high but once you come down you will be super depressed and over a period of time, the use of any anti depressant carries with it a risk of aggravating depression when you stop taking them.
But! If you like reading, or if anyone likes reading and needs a new book, there is a book called "Pharmakon" by Dirk Wittenborn. It's fictional, though it has roots in real pharmaceutical history and is basically about how 'they' first discovered mind altering drugs ie anti depressants, through observing native tribes and their rituals involving chewing strange leaves etc, and a man in the modern world takes this idea and runs with it, distilling the juices from these leaves and running studies...the results include how deeper depression can result from taking an anti depressant long term. It's an amazing book if anyone's interested.
 
It's as simple as this, while you are on it for those 6-8 hours you will be on top of the world. Feeling better than you have ever felt, no depression in site. As soon as you start coming down you will probably be more depressed than you ever have, its all a chemical reaction. And some people experience long come downs if you just read on this board which lasts weeks to months. So in turn anyone who uses this chemical go get out of depression is a complete moron. By its chemical nature it will make you more depressed and anxious than you first started off, no questions asked.
 
F1n1shed said:
It's as simple as this, while you are on it for those 6-8 hours you will be on top of the world. Feeling better than you have ever felt, no depression in site. As soon as you start coming down you will probably be more depressed than you ever have, its all a chemical reaction. And some people experience long come downs if you just read on this board which lasts weeks to months. So in turn anyone who uses this chemical go get out of depression is a complete moron. By its chemical nature it will make you more depressed and anxious than you first started off, no questions asked.
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I do agree with you in most respects. But i'm not sure that it will make you depressed and anxious by 'chemical nature' otherwise the comedown and hangover would be nasty each and everytime and thats quite simply not the case. Personally i've never experienced a bad 'hangover' from MDMA - nothing near alcohol for example. Then again i've never abused MDMA whereas I used to drink regularly. The real key to MDMA is moderation and low doses - keep a dose down to 200-250mg and moderate use and I don't see how it could negatively affect depression, but maybe i'm biased by not having a hangover from MDMA.

Along with Strutter, i've found MDMA has actually helped me. I used to experience some quite severe social anxiety and mild depression, which is now far less significant in my life partly helped by MDMA. However, you definitely need to know what you're doing - I won't deny that smashing it regularly is in anyway beneficial, especially if you have underlying depression. But I do reckon that if everyone got to experience what its like to feel the love, happiness and empathy that MDMA provides - the world would be a better place.
 
MDMA is probably the worst antidepressant you could use. You want more serotonin in the synapse (if the serotonin theory holds true) not extreme fluctuations.
 
RobotRipping said:
MDMA is probably the worst antidepressant you could use. You want more serotonin in the synapse (if the serotonin theory holds true) not extreme fluctuations.
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However, experiencing the degree of serotonin in the synapse that MDMA provides is a magical experience that could hold therapeutic potential. Aside from science, I believe that MDMA used in a clinical setting could have positive psychological after-effects that may be enduring for the individual. Everyone suggests that MDMA completely depletes serotonin regardless of how much you take, how often you take it, etc. But if that was the case, the hangover would be inevitable for everyone which isn't the case. Keep the dose low, don't redose & moderate useage - these are key to minimizing the negative effects. Minimize the negative effects and your just left with positive which, like I said, may have therapeutic potential but research is required. I definitely don't think MDMA is 'the worst antidepressant.'
 
Of course I dont want to use MDMA in a daily basis to cure depression, that would be crazy, you would rape your brain with serotonin and after some time there would be a lack of it and you would became deeply depressed...

I think that with moderate recreational usage of MDMA the positive effects would prevail
 
JWills20 said:
However, experiencing the degree of serotonin in the synapse that MDMA provides is a magical experience that could hold therapeutic potential. Aside from science, I believe that MDMA used in a clinical setting could have positive psychological after-effects that may be enduring for the individual. Everyone suggests that MDMA completely depletes serotonin regardless of how much you take, how often you take it, etc. But if that was the case, the hangover would be inevitable for everyone which isn't the case. Keep the dose low, don't redose & moderate useage - these are key to minimizing the negative effects. Minimize the negative effects and your just left with positive which, like I said, may have therapeutic potential but research is required. I definitely don't think MDMA is 'the worst antidepressant.'
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psychedelics are far better suited to this IMO but i get your point. MDMA could/is a very useful treatment option for PTSD among other things, but not much for a daily antidepressant like what SSRIs are supposed to be.
 
I don't want to sound like an advocate for psychedelic use, because there certainly are risks as with all drugs, but magic mushrooms are the only drug that has ever helped me confront myself and overcome personal issues. Taking mushrooms made me realize that smoking weed all day was ruining my life and I was essentially a junkie. I still haven't quit, which exemplifies that no drug is going to change you... just show you the difficult path towards self improvement.

Mdma seemed very promising at first. It turned out to be a lie, and it was nothing more than a physically harmful, short-winded fad for me.
 
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MDMA is not 'a lie'. An inanimate drug cannot lie.

You have failed to properly contextualise your use. That's not MDMA telling a lie.
 
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