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showercurtain

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Ok so this is my first post on bluelight. I have searched everywhere and have found little to no information regarding turning Hcl 25i nbome to the freebase. I'm trying to put it into a cigarette. right now i have a solution of about 30 mg of 25i hcl about a tablespoon of lye 30 ml.of isopropyl alcohol and probably 150 ml of water. I could see stuff floating in the solution before i added the alcohol. i read freebase 25i is soluble in alcohol so i'm pretty sure it was 25i and it disolved into the alcohol when it was added. im freezing the solution hoping to seperate the water and alcohol. will this work? if it does how can i get the lye out of the alcohol without losing 25i? will smoking freebase 25i in a cig even work? ANY input would be greatly appreciated thanks
 
Hello and welcome to bluelight...

That is a lot of lye, and sorry but it seems like a terrible idea to me. What made you think it was okay to apply a dangerously alkaline solution of a superpotent and potentially fatal experimental drug to a cigarette?

You can't separate water from alcohol, they are both quite polar liquids, possibly even azeotropic. They stick together now, maybe to be separated by distillation and desiccant drying (of course none of that applies to this situation). The alcohol was a mistake, because with water alone you can freebase a compound: the HCl salt does dissolve in water I think, maybe needs a bit of heat but still. The freebase that does not dissolve would float on it.

Unfortunately you also ruined your solution by adding the lye, otherwise you could have just dried it to try again. Now, even if you neutralize it with an acid there is a lot of junk left. Not something I would happily swoosh in my mouth for 30 minutes.

The alcohol may mess with plans to separate the freebase using non-polar solvents a la DMT extraction. Not sure how much it sticks to a non-polar solvent. Probably not now that I come to think of it, I must have been thinking about acetone earlier...
So you could try and salvage the drug with a workup treating it similar to DMT.
I must insist though that you do not try this because there would be so much exposure to the potent drug, part of the process in solid form (if you are in the fb precipitation step especially) that it could be very dangerous and you obviously have little understanding of what you are doing.

You are strongly urged to reconsider your choice of drug and the choice to DIY it - find this on blotter if you must try it and work your way up slowly. Smoking this is foolish and unnecessary. Perhaps for more seasoned users with advanced knowledge it could be an experiment.
 
Thanks for the info i kinda had a feeling it was ruined. I have another solution of just 25i and water so I am not terribly upset that i ruined my solution. I am a seasoned user however will admit I am pretty new when it comes to Acid/Base extractions or conversions. My only real experience is a couple very successful dmt extractions. I would really like to try vaporizing 25i sometime I have read interesting things about. Maybe ill pick up some more salts sometime and try converting it again sometime. What would you recommend to be the best way to turn the hcl into freebase.
 
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Vap in in hcl form, it works

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I haven't done it myself, but I think using a bulb vaporizer is the way to go. And it doesn't have to be freebase, Hcl is fine.

Remember that dosage is much lower when smoked.
 
Yes I've heard estimations of a potency of about 3x or more when smoked. This can be true for other compounds but especially these NBOMe's since vaporizing allows for a quick peak avoiding acute tolerance development (tachyphylaxis).
Add some extra margin to that lowering of dose to be safe, especially considering the fact that it does not take *that* long to get effects especially when vaporizing (at least typically). On the other hand tolerance develops very very quickly like I just mentioned, so if you do redose after careful low doses... do not take that total dose to be one you can start off with a next time. You need to start low again.
Also be sure to destroy leftover product in the chamber when redosing although I'm not sure if that is ever a problem with a vulcano.
 
i agree 500 is a high starter dose but i was thinking it would fill a bag which i would split between 3 or 4 people
 
I've vaped 25i a couple times. used a test tube & a creme brule torch lol. I wouldn't start at higher than 250 for a first time. It's the most effective ROA i've tried for NBOMe's, but I don't talk too much about it here because it's potentially very dangerous if your measurements are off by even a little, or if any of the drug comes out of solution while its stored.
 
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