the sex trade...your opinions

[1394]

It was cool until drugs came along.

Plus it pretty much destroys the concept of meaningful sex.

This made me laugh, wow... lol.

Prostitution has always been both good and bad. I don't think there's much difference between regulated prostitution and non-regulated prostitution. It's legal in my country, by that I mean one can work in a state appointed area. There are police at the gates of the brothels etc. Some of these women have to do it, because they can't get jobs or wont pay as much etc. so I don't think there's much of a difference between women who are forced to do this by pimps etc. Most prostitutes do have a way out of it, they just don't choose to do so. There are probably very, very few cases (except for really illegal shit like child prostitution etc) where women are forced to be prostitutes and if they don't comply with their pimps demands, that they'll die.

Prostitution is a fact of society, looking down on it would be to look down on your own sexual nature.

 

[pofacedhoe]

I dunno yo. I've had girls that take me out and buy me stuff(because they made more $$ then me) and sleep with me.

And girls who slept with me without any exchange of material goods in either direction.

Your premises are demonstrably false; so while your argument is valid, it is not sound. Therefore, not only is not right, it is not even wrong!
(Which is worse than being wrong)

you explain words as though they are maths and this i enjoy

 

[sconnie420]

Because it often puts the woman at risk of violence.

Any smart woman in this profession would carry protection, and no not just condoms..

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

This is impossible for plenty of folks.

Not true at all - that kind of limiting attitude doesn't help anyone.

 

[Tude]

I think as long as the prostitutes are at least 18, and they consent, they should be able to do what they want. No one is being harmed, so why criminalize it? I see prostitution as a regular job, on par with waiting, construction, etc.

 

[Illyria99]

I think as long as the prostitutes are at least 18, and they consent, they should be able to do what they want. No one is being harmed, so why criminalize it? I see prostitution as a regular job, on par with waiting, construction, etc.

Yes, I absolutely agree with every word.

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

I think as long as the prostitutes are at least 18, and they consent, they should be able to do what they want. No one is being harmed, so why criminalize it? I see prostitution as a regular job, on par with waiting, construction, etc.

No one is being harmed? Except most people who go into prostitution are emotionally scarring themselves, perpetuating their conditioned masochism.

There is nothing truly erotic or empowering about getting paid to be fucked - anyone who says they are empowered as a porn industry "starlet" or a whore is kidding themselves.

I've spoken to people about it from all angles, from the drug-addicted, to the nymphos, to the rape victims, to the anthropologists, to the daddy's girls - it's all the same thing - not being true to the real creative person inside, and limiting yourself to a male-dominated & engineered social construct.

Something all these people have in common is that they are masochists to varying degrees - and that is emotionally unhealthy. It's on a completely different level to a bit of S&M in the bedroom - ya know, a wee bit of slap and tickle, spanking, scratching, domination, hair pulling, hard fucking, and lets not forget - it is deeply ingrained in these peoples negatively conditioned psyches (excluding probably the anthropologists haha).

If these women truly respected themselves, they would not do it. End of story.

 

[Illyria99]

This counter argument is thrown around a lot and I don't agree. Yeah there are plenty of gold diggers but I don't think it's the stereotype. I think it's more that women want an emotional bond before sex and what better way to get to know someone than dinner or whatever. There are always exceptions but I think that is the difference not money or being taken out.

Well, there's been many times that I've fucked a guy right after meeting him...and I can't count the times other girls have said things like, "You should have at least got dinner out of him!"

 

[Illyria99]

No one is being harmed? Except most people who go into prostitution are emotionally scarring themselves, perpetuating their conditioned masochism.

There is nothing truly erotic or empowering about getting paid to be fucked - anyone who says they are empowered as a porn industry "starlet" or a whore is kidding themselves.

I've spoken to people about it from all angles, from the drug-addicted, to the nymphos, to the rape victims, to the anthropologists, to the daddy's girls - it's all the same thing - not being true to the real creative person inside, and limiting yourself to a male-dominated & engineered social construct.

Something all these people have in common is that they are masochists to varying degrees - and that is emotionally unhealthy. It's on a completely different level to a bit of S&M in the bedroom - ya know, a wee bit of slap and tickle, spanking, scratching, domination, hair pulling, hard fucking, and lets not forget - it is deeply ingrained in these peoples negatively conditioned psyches (excluding probably the anthropologists haha).

If these women truly respected themselves, they would not do it. End of story.

You are incorrect. I'm not a masochist and I respect myself. I have also fucked men for money. At times, it can be an annoying job...but so can being a shopgirl or flight attendant.

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

As I said you can justify it any way you want, but chances are you are an emotional masochist in denial.

It's not the same as any job - you are having someone inside you; something you should share with people you are attracted to - whores are contributing to seperation between people, and to their own damaged psyches.

Seriously strong and very old social conditioning has convinced thousands if not millions of people throughout history that there is not right and wrong, and that having people taint something that is so pure energetically for a few short minutes of lusty "pleasure", and then further tainting it by attaching money to it? Nah that's not right.

It has been a long time coming but there will be one day when most of the world will see this is unacceptable behaviour, like many more of the power and dominance games in play throughout most parts of societies.

 

[RobotRipping]

most girls don't go into these jobs without being scarred first, there are many exceptions to this (like being a nympho). It's not nearly as degrading or demeaning as b1to makes it out to be. It's not a big deal, it's just sex. that's all. It may be risky but i'm sure it's no more detrimental to a person than working at a fast food place.

 

[Illyria99]

As I said you can justify it any way you want, but chances are you are an emotional masochist in denial.

It's not the same as any job - you are having someone inside you; something you should share with people you are attracted to - whores are contributing to seperation between people, and to their own damaged psyches.

Seriously strong and very old social conditioning has convinced thousands if not millions of people throughout history that there is not right and wrong, and that having people taint something that is so pure energetically for a few short minutes of lusty "pleasure", and then further tainting it by attaching money to it? Nah that's not right.

It has been a long time coming but there will be one day when most of the world will see this is unacceptable behaviour, like many more of the power and dominance games in play throughout most parts of societies.

I wasn't "justifying" anything. I was telling you how it is for me. As for me being an "emotional masochist"...I thank you for the first amusement I've had today.

I also thank you for the revelation that someone has been inside me!! Are you serious? Inside me?! I was not aware of that. Wow.

I am in your debt, Archbishop. You've taught me so much.

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

^That is some great deflective sarcasm.

I'm not religious btw.

I hope for your sake you are the exception to the rule. Just because you tell me something, doesn't make it true. I'm not being patronizing, or trying to be a horrible dick or anything, merely pointing out that the odds point to you being a victim of patriarchal society in denial, and people in denial justify to make themselves feel better, until they can face up to the truth.

I'm not saying this is definitely you, as I said I hope it isn't, but you might want to consider your actions again...possibly even more of your behavioural cycles.[/I]

most girls don't go into these jobs without being scarred first, there are many exceptions to this (like being a nympho). It's not nearly as degrading or demeaning as b1to makes it out to be. It's not a big deal, it's just sex. that's all. It may be risky but i'm sure it's no more detrimental to a person than working at a fast food place.

Oh my days - you're likening having someone you're 9/10 not attracted to INSIDE YOU to working in a fast food restaurant? That's fucked up bro. It's physically, psychologically and emotionally scarring - as I said, to varying degrees.

Being a nympho is nothing but abhorrent - that's addictive and emotionally and psychologically unhealthy behaviour - impulsive, not reigning into control ones desires and confusing them with emotions or necessity.

If someone is emotionally scarred enough, and has had their consciousness of what they can do to earn money boxed in enough, then they will sell themselves, their ideals, their bodies, and finally their souls.

 

[Illyria99]

Just because you tell me something, doesn't make it true.

Right back at you.

 

[llama112]

Please stay on topic and avoid personal/direct attacks or this thread will have to be closed.

 

[P A]

A girl goes out on a date with a guy, but won't have sex until after she's been given a couple trinkets and dinner at a restaurant. She then gets married, and the arrangement is the man pays for the house, bills, etc...and the woman is expected to sleep only with him for the duration of the marriage.

So again, what is our definition of prostitution?

But isn't this a perfect example of the unabashed misogyny and cynicism to which Renz alluded in his post? Talk about a case in point...

 

[Illyria99]

But isn't this a perfect example of the unabashed misogyny and cynicism to which Renz alluded in his post? Talk about a case in point...

Nope.

 

[scureto1]

As I said you can justify it any way you want, but chances are you are an emotional masochist in denial.

It's not the same as any job - you are having someone inside you; something you should share with people you are attracted to - whores are contributing to seperation between people, and to their own damaged psyches.

Seriously strong and very old social conditioning has convinced thousands if not millions of people throughout history that there is not right and wrong, and that having people taint something that is so pure energetically for a few short minutes of lusty "pleasure", and then further tainting it by attaching money to it? Nah that's not right.

It has been a long time coming but there will be one day when most of the world will see this is unacceptable behaviour, like many more of the power and dominance games in play throughout most parts of societies.

Basically boils down to: "Its bad for you and you may think you are okay with it, but you really aren't. If you disagree with me it is only because you are sick."

What a condescending, paternal point of view.

Do you use any drugs? What do you think of the loads of people who apply that same logic to your choice to use drugs?

 

[scureto1]

I dunno yo. I've had girls that take me out and buy me stuff(because they made more $$ then me) and sleep with me.

And girls who slept with me without any exchange of material goods in either direction.

Your premises are demonstrably false; so while your argument is valid, it is not sound. Therefore, not only is not right, it is not even wrong!
(Which is worse than being wrong)

This counter argument is thrown around a lot and I don't agree. Yeah there are plenty of gold diggers but I don't think it's the stereotype. I think it's more that women want an emotional bond before sex and what better way to get to know someone than dinner or whatever. There are always exceptions but I think that is the difference not money or being taken out.

I don't think Illyria was trying to claim that all relationships are basically pay-for-sex in different clothing. I think she was simply claiming that there ARE lots of "legitimate" relationships that, in reality, boil down to sex-by-arrangement. I don't think anyone could argue that there aren't plenty of relationships out there like that. Then, she was raising the question of why the people in those relationships aren't judged by the same standard or subject to the same moral outrage, when, in effect, they are doing the same thing but just putting it in a prettier package.

 

[Illyria99]

I don't think Illyria was trying to claim that all relationships are basically pay-for-sex in different clothing. I think she was simply claiming that there ARE lots of "legitimate" relationships that, in reality, boil down to sex-by-arrangement. I don't think anyone could argue that there aren't plenty of relationships out there like that. Then, she was raising the question of why the people in those relationships aren't judged by the same standard or subject to the same moral outrage, when, in effect, they are doing the same thing but just putting it in a prettier package.

Thank you for understanding what I meant. I think you're the only one who did, actually.