From Sky News - "MPs Reveal Plans To Reform Drug Laws"

[Shambles]

I once worked in a lingerie factory as a lace-cutter. Was a contender for bestest crappy job ever. My day essentially consisted of being stood behind a bloody great cutting machine and painstakingly lining up layers of lace so they're all cut uniformly (fiddly as fuckery fuck) I spent a good 70% of the time in precisely the position mocked in the above comedy stylings. Top of the machine was just at (stooped) head height and was also big enough that I was quite hard to see. The women working there used to give me a nudge at break/lunch time and never once queried why I appeared to be unconscious from the moment I got in to just after lunch (used to nip down the road to me dealer's place and get a coupla rocks for lunch). I actually had to resign in the end cos they didn't want to sack me despite having produce perhaps a dozen pairs of French knickers and a small batch of oversized bras in the two or three months I was there.

 

[Cornishman]

Haha, sounds like my last job (the being made to resign for being too fucked bit).

 

[Shambles]

I wasn't made to resign, Cornish. That was the bizarre thing. I had to quit because I couldn't afford the rent where I was staying (B&B - £350/week ) once I started working and the Housing Benefit stopped. Blagged it for a coupla months but had to leave in a hurry. I'd already missed loads of days at work so was expecting tha sack anyway but when I went in after a week's absence (without phoning in or owt) and spoke to the supervisor, explained the situation and he really wanted me to stay on. Offered me time off to get treatment and a new place to live too. Would've taken 'em up on it (well, the time off bit not the treatment) but was unpaid. Actually, really should've taken 'em up on it anyway. Very few bosses let you get away with shit like that.

 

[Albion]

Nick Clegg calls for drugs law review

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has backed calls for a royal commission to consider decriminalising illegal drugs, despite opposition from David Cameron.

The PM has rejected the Home Affairs Select Committee's report highlighting Portugal's approach, where people found with drugs are not always prosecuted.

But Mr Clegg told the BBC the government needed to be open-minded and look at alternative approaches.

+1 for Nick Clegg

 

[parttime crackhead]

Aye, coz Nick Clegg's got any power whatsoever. Fucking cunt. Cameron will bitch slap him back into place in a minute.

 

[Mailmonkey]

true crackhead, the Lib Dems have been teasing druggies for years and then not doing anything of any significance whatsoever.

 

[Inso]

Aye, coz Nick Clegg's got any power whatsoever. Fucking cunt. Cameron will bitch slap him back into place in a minute.

My thoughts exactly. He can support it all he likes but there's no way anything in this report will actually make into policy.

Sad thing is many MPs will most likely agree with elements of drug decriminalisation/legalisation but haven't the balls to come out and say it for fear of what the 'general public' will think. I think we need to sack this decmoracy rubbish tbh, I say we storm parliament and put in place a tough but fair dictatorship that can actually get shit done

 

[Albion]

A tough but fair dictatorship.


Seems legit.

 

[Shambles]

Just finsihed watching Question Time on iPlayer and this came up. The thing I've noticed several times now when the issue is discuessed on tellybox is that MPs are more or less all very against any change in drug law. Bit of vague handwaving about improving treatment for addicts usually followed by promises to crack down harder on dealers. No change there. The more striking thing is the public's attitude. Over the last few years it seems to have gone from maybe a lone voice suggesting relaxing drug laws somewhat would pop up every now and then but mostly people were in agreement with the politicians. Recently though it's swung completely the other way. Amongst the QT audience I think every single comment from the audience was in favour of some kind of move towards decriminalisation. Not one word said in favour of the current system aside from two out of three MPs and that faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar-right loonbag Peter Hitchins (who writes for the Heil so doesn't count anyway). I do think the tide is finally turning.

 

[MrPorter]

Watching the BBC News the other evening and saw Nick Clegg become the first politician I know of, announce that drug laws have to change, while in some sort of position to actually do something. But then David Cameron said No and that was that.

We are consistently taking steps in the right direction but it's just too slow. We're a generation too early.

 

[Inso]

Over the last few years it seems to have gone from maybe a lone voice suggesting relaxing drug laws somewhat would pop up every now and then but mostly people were in agreement with the politicians. Recently though it's swung completely the other way. Amongst the QT audience I think every single comment from the audience was in favour of some kind of move towards decriminalisation. Not one word said in favour of the current system aside from two out of three MPs and that faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar-right loonbag Peter Hitchins (who writes for the Heil so doesn't count anyway). I do think the tide is finally turning.

Its become so blindingly obvious that drug prohibition does not work in the slightest that it has started seeping through into general public thought around the world. Combined with the awful violence in Mexico and a lot of people are very motivated for meaningful change. The only educated people against some form of drug decriminalisation/legalisation are ignorant right-wing fuckwits

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I still think Mexico is key. When the US may be threatened by the sheer volume of the wealth of drug barons on their borders....things may change.

 

[Shambles]

Is what I said a few pages back as I'm sure you knew, Mr S

 

[parttime crackhead]

Watching the BBC News the other evening and saw Nick Clegg become the first politician I know of, announce that drug laws have to change, while in some sort of position to actually do something. But then David Cameron said No and that was that.

We are consistently taking steps in the right direction but it's just too slow. We're a generation too early.

Nick Clegg is not in a position to actually do anything other than take the D from Davey-boy.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I still think Mexico is key. When the US may be threatened by the sheer volume of the wealth of drug barons on their borders....things may change.

Is what I said a few pages back as I'm sure you knew, Mr S

Nope, only read about half your posts.

But yeah, absolutely if that is what you said. I've had this view for a while now (a lot longer than a few pages back ) - probably since I saw a map of areas under drug baron control that seemed to include the whole of one side of Mexico plus...Honduras basically. And bits of Guatemala. And Panama. Central America basically.

Estimates of Mexicos drug barons wealth are in the $400 billion range now. Serious money.

 

[botfly]

Most politicians think drugs should be legal but it's political suicide to say so and prohibition is an industry in itself. The current comments are a vote winning attempt for the college class but at least the ball has started to roll. The argument is starting to become socially acceptable amongst non druggies.

 

[Shambles]

The Harms of Drug Prohibition

Talk on the topic by an ex-public prosecutor (over yonder ponder so not directly related as such) that's nice 'n' concise on why prohibition causes more harm than good - not only doesn't work but is actively destructive and contradicts itself over the very issues it was supposedly brought in to help solve. Mostly what you'd expect but one or two interesting points I'd not really thought about much before. Watched it earlier so thought I may as well mention it here.

 

[pinkpapaver]

Nope, only read about half your posts.

But yeah, absolutely if that is what you said. I've had this view for a while now (a lot longer than a few pages back ) - probably since I saw a map of areas under drug baron control that seemed to include the whole of one side of Mexico plus...Honduras basically. And bits of Guatemala. And Panama. Central America basically.

Estimates of Mexicos drug barons wealth are in the $400 billion range now. Serious money.

do these boys like their women white(very), and talking like ozzy ozbourne? money and a drugs supply

 

[farmaz]

I still think Mexico is key. When the US may be threatened by the sheer volume of the wealth of drug barons on their borders....things may change.

100% agree

With Los zeta among others & the "last Narco" oaquín Guzmán Loera still free from Jail Mexico is totally fucked. The death rate in that country makes Columbia with the Cali / Medellín war look like a kids party.
Nice drive to work in Mexico, look out the window & see people with their head cut off dumped in the street for everyone to see

 

[Si Dread]

Education?

If our population is too ignorant to understand the genuine facts about actual drugs use & react to decriminalisation with unnecessary Daily Mail style alarm, perhaps we should teach them that not all illegal drugs use results in fatality, ill-health, public nudity or suprising levels of other-peoples-face-eating.

That way politicians might be able to discuss the subject rationally without fear of irrational tar & feathering..?