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Hi all,
I'm planning on doing some Mandy tonight, but am a little nervous due to my last experience..I'm looking for some reassurance that tonight will be fine. The last time, I probably took around 200mg in a bomb. I'd taken pills once before but this was my first time on MD. Before dropping i'd had about 1/3 of a bottle of wine and had only eaten a sandwich that morning (it was about 11pm). I started coming up and felt extremely dizzy, disorientated and began feeling a little anxious that it was too intense. When I walked, I felt like I was floating which was pretty cool, but no other positive feelings. We began walking to the nightclub and I was stumbling, my eyes were shaking everywhere and I was quite panicky. Suddenly I felt really nauseous and was sick. This was probably about 40 mins after dropping. When we arrived at the club, I just felt incredibly uncomfortable. Less disorientated, but extremely anxious. I hated being around people, the crowds made me nervous. I'd want to cry if somebody touched me and just wanted to sit down. I was scared that every bouncer was looking at me and that I was going to get kicked out for being wired. However, after about an hour this feeling passed and was replaced with feeling near sober. I think I had probably thrown up a fair bit of the MD. I did feel energetic for the rest of the night though and couldn't sleep until about 6am.
What I am asking is whether it is likely that this could happen again tonight? I plan on taking less - maybe about 125mg, and not drinking any alcohol either. Is it likely that the lack of food and alcohol could have given me the bad time? Although I can understand the combination making me sick but perhaps not the anxiety? What do people think? I think the anxiety was the worst part. I'm hoping for the amazing times that people get on Mandy.
I'm going to another nightclub tonight but one which I haven't been to before. I will be around friends, who will also be taking Mandy - but also around other people in the club who will be drunk.

(Not sure how relevant but when I took pills the first time - I never felt euphoric, just chatty. Had a little nervousness but I think that was because it was my first time using)
 
You're definitely spot on.

GABAergics can really mess with the effects of stimulants and exacerbate anxiety disorder by quite a bit. As the alcohol is metabolized, there is a fair chance that the slight "hangover" can tip the high dose over the edge.

However 200mg is quite a big dose. You could have gotten a very potent product. If you did not test it, there may be a chance that amphetamine or another cutting agent intensified the anxiety.

Anxiety can completely kill the switch on euphoria with every stimulant. Take it from me. If I have an anxiety attack, there is 0 euphoria.

Tips To Avoid this:
Lower dose to 120-150mg
Eat a full meal with plenty of carbohydrates before dropping
Do not drink alcohol within 2 days of rolling
If you are experienced with them, carry a benzodiazepine and use it if this situation repeats itself.
Keep your mind occupied on other things other than your feeling of impending doom
Take a magnesium supplement
Test your product before consumption
After dropping, focus on the scene and not the effects of the drug

Best of luck.
 
Thankyou for the advice. I will definitely be lowering my dose and eating a lot more today. Will doing these things help with the anxiety? I did not realise that taking too much could cause anxiety?
We didn't test the MDMA last time - also I forgot to mention that my friend (an experienced user) was sick too last time after taking and drinking a similar amount. He didn't experience anxiety, he just sobered up after being sick.
 
2after909 said:
i think the opposite is much more likely: alcohol reduces anxiety just like other GABAergics do. besides, OP didn't drink that much.
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That's the issue. Less alcohol in the system = effects are significantly shorter

Once alcohol wears off, it will have a rebound anxiety effect.
 
Ah yes, should have mentioned that. I am female, around 64kg and 165cm. I can feel reasonably drunk from anything between half a bottle of wine to a bottle, depending on what I have eaten that day. I probably felt slightly tipsy from the 1/3 bottle.
 
perhaps what you had the first time around wasn't really MDMA? it's pretty hard to have a bad time on legit MDMA unless you are ODing or something. as well, you don't really need 200 mg of (pure) MDMA to have a good time, you should be solid with like half that amount if it's straight mdma... i have been straight trashed while rolling more than once and it always enhanced the experience for me, if anything.
 
Its very simple:

1. First bad experience with real MDMA = a possible warning of bad omens ahead or some freak abberation of nature causing this effect at no fault of you or the drug

2. Second bad experience

a) You either dont have emotions and are thus a sociopath and you should turn yourself in to be locked away or become a serial killer to try and find some sort of purpose in this cruel world that fed you this raw deal. EG Punish those silently mocking you with their shiny emotions etc. Try at least being original

b) You where tested to possess emotions physically therefore you are possessed by one ore more demonic entities and should report to church to be freed from your possession. Wat you say? MDMA is an effective test for demonic possession as it forces you and your brain to feel joy and empathy. Since demons cannot feel these two things, it manifests as blocking the human host from the experience as well.
And unlike a and c its treatable but you should investigate why you where open to these things

c) A and B are investigated and proven to no be the cause = You have no soul present on this earth, it is in hell but you are still tethered to it. This usually means on or both of your parents sold you soul to satan for some material benefit. You are basically screwed but since you now know you can make the best of it by stealing the goods from the parent to blame and sending that smug fucker ahead to keep them busy in the mean time. Then basically try and live as long and as good as possible not giving a shit about anything since you already know where your going anyways. The options are limitless.

There arent any other possible reasons beyond the above why real mdma would not eventually become pleasant at some point in the same trip
 
1. The dose was way too high.
2. Was the product tested? If not, there's a major issue.
3. OP did not eat and probably had fairly low blood sugar.
4. Drinking even small amounts of alcohol will contribute to worsening a panic attack as it wears off.
5. Mindset! OP, stay positive and keep yourself distracted. If you feel like the panic attack could be an overdose, don't hesitate to seek emergency services.

(Also you may have developed a tolerance to MDMA, how long are you spacing your rolls?)
 
Dose was too high, plus if you're not testing your "MDMA" who knows what's really in it. It is very frequently cut/mixed with other drugs and/or fillers. I wouldn't rule out the alcohol being a possible factor too, as some people do have bad reactions to mixing drugs and alcohol, plus if you weren't eating that can be another factor.
 
Renz Envy said:
1. The dose was way too high.
2. Was the product tested? If not, there's a major issue.
3. OP did not eat and probably had fairly low blood sugar.
4. Drinking even small amounts of alcohol will contribute to worsening a panic attack as it wears off.
5. Mindset! OP, stay positive and keep yourself distracted. If you feel like the panic attack could be an overdose, don't hesitate to seek emergency services.

(Also you may have developed a tolerance to MDMA, how long are you spacing your rolls?)
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/thread. Good advice!
 
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