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Gibberings CXV - Documented proof

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Mela said:
But that generally suggests that cultural and social influences were not major factors in the deep past. Here's a recent cross-cultural study which does suggest the power of social and cultural factors.

http://rady.ucsd.edu/faculty/directory/gneezy/pub/docs/gender-differences-competition.pdf

And it's worth noting that the tribes in the study are far from our advanced industrial society (which is rather divorced from our evolutionary past). Love the quotes in the paper:

"We are sick of playing the roles of breeding bulls and baby-sitters."
A Khasi man (Ahmed, 1994)

ABE:



Aye, and it was fun reading the sturm-und-drang raised by certain types to such a situation.

"Men treat us like donkeys."
A Maasai woman (Hodgson, 2001)
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1994 and 2001 isn't the deep past! I'm not someone who believes less materially advanced cultures around the world are any different from us in the west fundamentally, they've been around to think about things for just as long as we have.
 
Ceres said:
hhahahaha. nope, not I.
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amazingly tho Ceres, you've expressed that you don't feel responsible for what went on before you were here, so discussion on the past re females being discriminated against isn't relevant to you, yet you're more than happy to lament and find legitimate arguments for the male experiences of the past (ie: they used to be the genetically predisposed to, therefore that's why they dominated) and find them valid when it's convenient

You're selectively biased towards males with the references you'll accept as being valid in the discussion, and negatively biased towards females the whole way through.

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Also, if the status quo (and imbalance) between males and females in society and work has always been about genetic male superiority for certain tasks etc, then why in the hell was there any need for laws to prevent women from doing those things? surely the need to legislate for that would be superfluous?

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Can I still occasionally sexually harass you via PMs tho? Pretty please ... ;)
 
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Ceres said:
1994 and 2001 isn't the deep past! I'm not someone who believes less materially advanced cultures around the world are any different from us in the west fundamentally, they've been around to think about things for just as long as we have.
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Of course, don't think I suggested the studies were completed in the deep past. However, the tribes are much closer to the ancient savanna-style tribes than our advanced technological society.

Lets imagine that it was the matrilineal-style tribes that were the basis of our own advanced society (e.g., Khasi) - I'm sure the current discussion would have a contrary flavour!
 
Ceres said:
no thx.
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Fair enough. I thought it might help enlighten you as to what feminism actually is, as you seemingly have no idea.

Ceres said:
What I mean is that males are wired for competition
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More essentialist claptrap.

I suppose women are solely 'wired' to push out offspring and nurture them?
 
brimz said:
Yo peeps dem what g'wan
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Men are great, women are shite.

Or...

Women are great, men or shite.

Or...

Women and men are great and/or women and men are shite.

Or...

Both sexes have their good and bad points and in both cases such good and bad points don't necessarily relate to gender at all.

Is mostly what the day's Gibberings brought forth.
 
SamhainGrim said:
More essentialist claptrap.

I suppose women are solely 'wired' to push out offspring and nurture them?
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well you'd have a hard time having a baby without ovaries and a womb, which men tend to lack.

not sure what you mean by essentialist btw.
 
parttime crackhead said:
Also to wash the dishes & buy shoes.
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Mustn't forget those two essential pillars of the female experience.

Mela - post more, please. :)

Ceres said:
not sure what you mean by essentialist btw.
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Look it up - it'll open your eyes to a lot of aspects of gender relations that you may never have considered. It may even introduce you to a less reductive, determinist view of human nature.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
Look it up - it'll open your eyes to a lot of aspects of gender relations that you may never have considered. It may even intoduce you to a less reductive, determinist view of human nature.
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I have, that doesn't alter my perspective of gender relations or human nature in the slightest, and isn't a new concept to me, I just didn't know it had a name.

So anyway, I don't see why it's controversial to say that men are biologically different from women and that these biological differences have an influence (without being the sole influence) on behaviour and suitability for roles or tasks, because they blatently do.

Marmalade is quite happy to acknowledge that's true aswell.
 
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